How do you feel about United fans who boo during games?

DomesticTadpole

Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
Joined
Jun 4, 2011
Messages
101,629
Location
Barrow In Furness
Austin says United were there for the taking
Charlie Austin, who scored the winner for Southampton at Old Trafford on Saturday, has had a few things to say about United.

Yes

We were strong all over the field and you know with Man United that if you frustrate them early in the game the fans will get on their back.

I’m not saying that played a part, but when you’re at Old Trafford and there are 75,000 people booing…well, they were certainly booing after I scored.

I just came on thinking, ‘be ready’. Neither side had a lot of chances in the game, so I knew if a chance did come my way I had to put it in the back of the net. Luckily enough Prowsey [corner taker James Ward-Prowse] put a great ball in and I did the rest.
Worrying stuff from Charlie Austin.
 

edcunited1878

Full Member
Joined
Sep 3, 2014
Messages
8,935
Location
San Diego, CA
So you went to one friendly and bought a subscription that probably costs less than one game for a match going fan...

I disagree with you completely. We've been shit for ages. They should be booed.
That's fine, discredit my support based off my geological location and money spent because I'm not a match going fan since it's physically impossible for me and millions to do.

United have been shit since Year Moyes, was good enough last year, then since December 2015 have gone off the rails, went back on the rails then Southampton derailed United again.

So for the most part of three years, say about half the time, United were between complete utter shit and just shit. Been shit for ages, yes.
 

Van Piorsing

Lost his light sabre
Joined
Feb 10, 2006
Messages
22,564
Location
Polska
Booing during a game doesn't help anyone so it's a moronic gesture of displeasure.

After the game i'm neutral on.

But if anyone can show me how booing actually lifts players to a better performance during a match I'd be happy to see the evidence.

I agree you pay your money...but using that as an excuse to boo people is veery strange. What next...booing waitresses in a restaurant for slow service...?

It's a mob mentality.
It's a football match not a goddamn restaurant. People would scream the living hell of their lungs if we would score and this is how it supposed to be on a match day. Loud and packed with emotions.

Mob mentality ? More like voice of the people. Deal with it.
 

Van Piorsing

Lost his light sabre
Joined
Feb 10, 2006
Messages
22,564
Location
Polska
Austin says United were there for the taking
Charlie Austin, who scored the winner for Southampton at Old Trafford on Saturday, has had a few things to say about United.

Yes

We were strong all over the field and you know with Man United that if you frustrate them early in the game the fans will get on their back.

I’m not saying that played a part, but when you’re at Old Trafford and there are 75,000 people booing…well, they were certainly booing after I scored.

I just came on thinking, ‘be ready’. Neither side had a lot of chances in the game, so I knew if a chance did come my way I had to put it in the back of the net. Luckily enough Prowsey [corner taker James Ward-Prowse] put a great ball in and I did the rest.
Worrying stuff from Charlie Austin.
The problem clearly lies in the team's pure football detriments and weak mentality.

Should we suddenly blame fans for the performances, tactics and weak attacking stance ?
 

The Black Pearl

Hurling Man of the Land
Joined
Jul 16, 2010
Messages
8,450
Location
Gort, Co.Galway
He should count himself lucky that booing is all they are doing. Part of the reason I'm not going over to see Utd this season is because I couldn
Booing during a game doesn't help anyone so it's a moronic gesture of displeasure.

After the game i'm neutral on.

But if anyone can show me how booing actually lifts players to a better performance during a match I'd be happy to see the evidence.

I agree you pay your money...but using that as an excuse to boo people is veery strange. What next...booing waitresses in a restaurant for slow service...?

It's a mob mentality.
Nah, I'd just sit down say nothing and eat my cold dinner that I forked out over a 1/4 of my weeks wages on.

Of course I'd fecking boo her, I'd boo the shit out of her.

ffs.

Louis should be counting his lucky chickens that booing is all that's being aimed at him.
 

edcunited1878

Full Member
Joined
Sep 3, 2014
Messages
8,935
Location
San Diego, CA
Austin says United were there for the taking
Charlie Austin, who scored the winner for Southampton at Old Trafford on Saturday, has had a few things to say about United.

Yes

We were strong all over the field and you know with Man United that if you frustrate them early in the game the fans will get on their back.

I’m not saying that played a part, but when you’re at Old Trafford and there are 75,000 people booing…well, they were certainly booing after I scored.

I just came on thinking, ‘be ready’. Neither side had a lot of chances in the game, so I knew if a chance did come my way I had to put it in the back of the net. Luckily enough Prowsey [corner taker James Ward-Prowse] put a great ball in and I did the rest.
Worrying stuff from Charlie Austin.

Any game is there for the taking when it's nil-nil, just like at Anfield. That's not news. The fact is, when a team came to OT and neutralized them early on, it was only a matter of time before United would score and win. But United aren't good enough right now in terms of player quality and tactics. Where were the boos when Adnan's first contribution was to immediately foul Austin? Completely fecking stupid thing to do, make him earn the corner, which he didn't even do. And you already know how good Ward-Prowse's set piece deliveries are. It's just comical really.
 

DomesticTadpole

Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
Joined
Jun 4, 2011
Messages
101,629
Location
Barrow In Furness
The problem clearly lies in the team's pure football detriments and weak mentality.

Should we suddenly blame fans for the performances, tactics and weak attacking stance ?
Not marking at set pieces didn't help. In fact giving a free kick away to lead to the set piece didn't help. The players are a problem, or lack of players, but the main problem is still the manager. As someone said I don't like them picking on a particular player. Half-time or full-time no problem booing if the teams performance merits it. I don't mind the attack, attack cries as that is more having a go at the managers tactics. I just worry that if results and performances don't pick up it could get even uglier.
 

DomesticTadpole

Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
Joined
Jun 4, 2011
Messages
101,629
Location
Barrow In Furness
Any game is there for the taking when it's nil-nil, just like at Anfield. That's not news. The fact is, when a team came to OT and neutralized them early on, it was only a matter of time before United would score and win. But United aren't good enough right now in terms of player quality and tactics. Where were the boos when Adnan's first contribution was to immediately foul Austin? Completely fecking stupid thing to do, make him earn the corner, which he didn't even do. And you already know how good Ward-Prowse's set piece deliveries are. It's just comical really.
I am beginning to wonder how good the preparation actually is. Is it loads of stuff about things that don't really matter and sod all about things that do, because that is how it appears. They don't seem to have any idea about the strengths and weaknesses of the other teams at all. As though he concentrates on drumming into them about keeping the ball but not how to get past the opposition.
 

walkinhop

Full Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2013
Messages
2,526
Location
Cyprus Hill.
I see special snowflaking lads. I see "everybody wins, participation is important" lads. Millionaire athletes and a millionaire coach are being booed by several thousand people because their performance is worth nothing close to what they get paid.

Yes, snowflakes, these people get paid a LOT of money to do ONE thing. Even if they do it badly, they STILL get paid. And I, Joe Average, has to feel sorry for these people and refrain from showing how i feel towards their performance? And there is time and place to show it? When? When we are invited in their houses to talk face to face?

Very soft, very cute, very arrogant. Everyone who boos shows passion. The ones who sit with cheap brandy in hand, shaking their heads, patronizing people online are the ones who will let the neighbour have fun with their wife and respond with "Oh well, tough luck".
 

Van Piorsing

Lost his light sabre
Joined
Feb 10, 2006
Messages
22,564
Location
Polska
Not marking at set pieces didn't help. In fact giving a free kick away to lead to the set piece didn't help. The players are a problem, or lack of players, but the main problem is still the manager. As someone said I don't like them picking on a particular player. Half-time or full-time no problem booing if the teams performance merits it. I don't mind the attack, attack cries as that is more having a go at the managers tactics. I just worry that if results and performances don't pick up it could get even uglier.
Like you say it may very well get uglier indeed but people will still remain civil and nobody is making threats to manager or anybody from the team or staff. The displeasure is shown in a proper manner. People used to boo on movies, concerts and in theater if stage performance was unacceptable longer before we were all born. It's nothing new or surprising and when it comes to Manchester United, this club is just too big of a global phenomenon to escape the louder reaction.

Can't disagree on anything here. We need match winners with skill and bit of character who just like Austin there can provoke rival or a certain reaction from the opponent's camp, we probably need a manager who understand the football culture and the city better than Louie. If the guy still thinks that small squad can win things in pacey, physical league then negative reactions will logically repeat itself to the point when someday somebody will have to do something about it.
 

edcunited1878

Full Member
Joined
Sep 3, 2014
Messages
8,935
Location
San Diego, CA
I am beginning to wonder how good the preparation actually is. Is it loads of stuff about things that don't really matter and sod all about things that do, because that is how it appears. They don't seem to have any idea about the strengths and weaknesses of the other teams at all. As though he concentrates on drumming into them about keeping the ball but not how to get past the opposition.
The worrying thing is that shouldn't Giggs play a roll in this as well, as do the other coaches? LVG always harps on the rhythm and pass quicker. Yeah, but what about the distance between central midfield and the center forward and how relative the positioning and distance the right flank/forward player is when the ball is being played. The movement before a pass, during a pass, and in anticipation/move of the second pass once said first pass has been completed. You have a good idea of how every team above United try to score; Leicester, Arsenal, City, Tottenham.

The structure or approach of their offense still isn't clear outside of possession, which in theory is fine because you keep the ball, circulate/switch quickly then go into the approach of how to score...overlaps, get in behind and cross/cutback, one-twos in centrally and release a third player for final pass or scoring chance?
 

Sultan

Gentleness adorns everything
Joined
Sep 1, 2004
Messages
48,569
Location
Redcafe
I'd rather hear "attack, attack, attack" or renditions of "playing football the Matt Busby way" during the match. However, I was waiting for the crowd to boo after the game. It was necessary and deserved.
 

Kill 'em all

Pastor of Muppets
Joined
Sep 15, 2012
Messages
10,546
When the team serves the crap they did against Southampton, they fully deserve the boos.
 

Djemba-Djemba

Full Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
21,537
Location
Manchester
I think it's more than justified now. The fans have been incredibly patient, this is basically 2 and a half years of utter shit coming to the boil.

We've been an absolute disgrace for most of the season, especially the last 2 months. The money it costs for tickets, to go and watch that shit? They deserve to be booed.
 

Adisa

likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt
Joined
Nov 28, 2014
Messages
50,442
Location
Birmingham
imagine paying a grand every year only to be served this rubbish we are currently witnessing. I don't blame them.
 

dogwithabone

Full Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2014
Messages
2,265
United fans in general are patient and supportive but everyone has a breaking point and I just think we saw a collective 'I've had enough' sort of reaction on Saturday. Perfectly understandable.
 

sammsky1

Pochettino's #1 fan
Joined
Feb 10, 2008
Messages
32,841
Location
London
I think booing its perfectly fine. It's simply a form of abject disapproval which should in itself motivate players to do better.

These are professional men in the global top 0.1% of their profession. And they are recompensed nowadays to reflect the talent and character required at this level.
 

iKeano

Full Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2015
Messages
1,755
Booing during a game doesn't help anyone so it's a moronic gesture of displeasure.

After the game i'm neutral on.

But if anyone can show me how booing actually lifts players to a better performance during a match I'd be happy to see the evidence.

I agree you pay your money...but using that as an excuse to boo people is veery strange. What next...booing waitresses in a restaurant for slow service...?

It's a mob mentality.
If you pre-paid for 19 meals and the same terrible waitress kept bringing you the same bland, flavourless meal week after week. With no sign of progress, despite a huge investment in the restaurant over the past 18months. Showing only a stubborn arrogance on a weekly basis when questioned about the quality of the meal and the service provided by food critics....
The obvious decision is to stop going tgere to eat. I've pre-paid, I'm tied in, I'm going to complain every week until the message gets to the restaurant manager and owner that their menu is shit, their staff's performance in unacceptable and their food quality is substandard given the reputation of the eatery and the expectations of the diners.

In short, boo!
 

Mr. MUJAC

Manchester United Youth Historian
Joined
Sep 19, 2005
Messages
6,283
Location
Walter Crickmer started it all...
If you pre-paid for 19 meals and the same terrible waitress kept bringing you the same bland, flavourless meal week after week. With no sign of progress, despite a huge investment in the restaurant over the past 18months. Showing only a stubborn arrogance on a weekly basis when questioned about the quality of the meal and the service provided by food critics....
The obvious decision is to stop going tgere to eat. I've pre-paid, I'm tied in, I'm going to complain every week until the message gets to the restaurant manager and owner that their menu is shit, their staff's performance in unacceptable and their food quality is substandard given the reputation of the eatery and the expectations of the diners.

In short, boo!
In short...he/she would smack you in the mouth if you booed them to their face.

The average person would complain and ask for a refund, go to the local newspaper or MP....if still nothing happened they would stop going to the restaurant and write off the investment.

If someone feels that bad about what they are watching and still goes just to boo...then they are nuts!
 

iKeano

Full Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2015
Messages
1,755
In short...he/she would smack you in the mouth if you booed them to their face.

The average person would complain and ask for a refund, go to the local newspaper or MP....if still nothing happened they would stop going to the restaurant and write off the investment.

If someone feels that bad about what they are watching and still goes just to boo...then they are nuts!
You think Utd are going to give refunds for season tickets? Have a word with yourself.

I'm assuming my parallels are lost on you.
 

iKeano

Full Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2015
Messages
1,755
I'd rather hear "attack, attack, attack" or renditions of "playing football the Matt Busby way" during the match. However, I was waiting for the crowd to boo after the game. It was necessary and deserved.
I hate hearing that at OT these days. I don't know what it is that's being served up on a weekly basis, but its certainly not "football taught by Matt Busby" as the song goes.
Matt Busby is surely spinning in his grave at what Man Utd have become both on and off the pitch.
 

Sultan

Gentleness adorns everything
Joined
Sep 1, 2004
Messages
48,569
Location
Redcafe
I hate hearing that at OT these days. I don't know what it is that's being served up on a weekly basis, but its certainly not "football taught by Matt Busby" as the song goes.
Matt Busby is surely spinning in his grave at what Man Utd have become both on and off the pitch.
By singing that the fans are trying to convey a message to play in the manner of football thought by Sir Matt. I don't think LvG or many of the players will know what message the fans are trying to convey.
 

kps88

Full Member
Joined
Feb 12, 2008
Messages
22,513
In short...he/she would smack you in the mouth if you booed them to their face.

The average person would complain and ask for a refund, go to the local newspaper or MP....if still nothing happened they would stop going to the restaurant and write off the investment.

If someone feels that bad about what they are watching and still goes just to boo...then they are nuts!
In this case, booing is the same as a person complaining at a restaurant. I'm sure they'd much rather complain to LVG/Woody if given the chance to meet them face to face, but this is the only way for thousands of fans to get their message across.
 

londonredmaniac

I suffer delusions of grandeur
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Messages
18,673
Location
Mid life crisis
In short...he/she would smack you in the mouth if you booed them to their face.

The average person would complain and ask for a refund, go to the local newspaper or MP....if still nothing happened they would stop going to the restaurant and write off the investment.

If someone feels that bad about what they are watching and still goes just to boo...then they are nuts!
But its not a restaurant or a product is it Mujac? It's a passion most of us feel a huge love for that we are watching starting to rot because the club is an absolute shambles. Decades of good work by Fergie could end up being undone in 5 years because of utter incompetence.

It's not like an TV supplier, or a mobile phone model. I'm unhappy so I'll go somewhere else. It's our football club, its our money we are spending and many have shown patience.
 

GBBQ

Full Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2012
Messages
4,813
Location
Ireland
Why do people feel the need to try compare a football match with other day to day situations. Obviously you're unlikely to boo in a restaurant but you're just as unlikely to cheer your head off while waving a flag if you enjoy the meal. Would you go into a rival restaurant and sing 'you're getting sacked in the morning' to the head chef? You can't focus on one little facet and assume the whole situation is like for like.

Football is its own little universe where the rules are different. Its pantomime mixed with soap opera at times and if people have paid good money week in week out just to watch shite football then I can understand how (after nearly 3 years of it) the crowd are turning en masse.
 

RedMilo

Full Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2014
Messages
1,317
It's probably not helpful to the team during the game, the players will feel added pressure but fans pay the money, and despite what the Glazers may think, we own the club and can voice our displeasure however we choose. I havent been to a game since last season but have watched all of them on tv/online and its been horrible viewing & I would think more less of the fans if they werent showing their displeasure at this rubbish being served up.
 

iKeano

Full Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2015
Messages
1,755
By singing that the fans are trying to convey a message to play in the manner of football thought by Sir Matt. I don't think LvG or many of the players will know what message the fans are trying to convey.
Counter-argument to that is by singing it LVG thinks he's actually playing "football taught by Matt Busby".... When he's clearly championing the antithesis of football taught by Matt Busby.

"If they're playing in your town, get yourself to that football ground.
Take a lesson, you will see, football taught by Matt Busby"
Utd haven't given a lesson in football in a number of years now & the sooner the board, manager and players realise this, the better.
 

iKeano

Full Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2015
Messages
1,755
I truly hope there are banners & boo'ers alike at OT next week. Regardless of the result, the club has to know the feelings of the fans. There can be no salvation in beating Shrewsbury and getting a home result against the meek Danes.

No more applauding that complete moron off the pitch. It's NOT negative towards the club, it's showing our negative feelings towards him, his football and the nose-diving direction he's taking our club.

I for one will be booing my frustrated, freezing face off.
 

Stacks

Full Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2015
Messages
10,909
Location
Between a rock and Gibraltar
I truly hope there are banners & boo'ers alike at OT next week. Regardless of the result, the club has to know the feelings of the fans. There can be no salvation in beating Shrewsbury and getting a home result against the meek Danes.

No more applauding that complete moron off the pitch. It's NOT negative towards the club, it's showing our negative feelings towards him, his football and the nose-diving direction he's taking our club.

I for one will be booing my frustrated, freezing face off.
At this point, surely the boos and banners have to come out right?
#
People need to realise this is football. In spain they whip out the white handkerchiefs. Its like a sea of seagulls splashing about while pouncing on a shoal of sardines. Booing is our way of showing displeasure. I guess my biggest gripe is the effect it has on the players, including those few who may be playing well. That's why we should wait until he is walking down the tunnel so he knows its at him.
 

ravi2

Full Member
Joined
Feb 4, 2012
Messages
9,044
Location
Canada
#
People need to realise this is football. In spain they whip out the white handkerchiefs. Its like a sea of seagulls splashing about while pouncing on a shoal of sardines. Booing is our way of showing displeasure. I guess my biggest gripe is the effect it has on the players, including those few who may be playing well. That's why we should wait until he is walking down the tunnel so he knows its at him.

If Boos and banners dont come out at this stage, it could be perceived by management that we are not totally unhappy with what we are seeing on the pitch. A message has to be sent to Woodward and co that this is not ok.
 

Stacks

Full Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2015
Messages
10,909
Location
Between a rock and Gibraltar
If Boos and banners dont come out at this stage, it could be perceived by management that we are not totally unhappy with what we are seeing on the pitch. A message has to be sent to Woodward and co that this is not ok.
They monitor social media and have heard the booing at virtually every home game. Stevie Wonder could see that Van Gaal has lost the fans. factor in that they know we demand attacking football and United have scored f all goals, then its a no brainer
 

The Purist

New Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2014
Messages
1,323
Supports
Arsenal
Mostly I think they are hypocrites.. because I remember the few times that Arsenal fans used to boo and we used to get slated for it. Especially from high and mighty 'proper fans' that generally followed United.
 

dannyrhinos89

OMG socks and sandals lol!
Joined
Nov 24, 2013
Messages
14,472
It'd be cool if nobody turned up for the match in protest imagine a crowd of 30-40k turning out for our must win game, that'd hit home with woody and people concerned.

Of course we're too big for that to ever happen, so booing and banners are the only option I do hope the OT faithful rain hellfire down on him though.
 

Giant Midget

Aka - rooney_10119
Joined
Aug 2, 2008
Messages
5,220
Mostly I think they are hypocrites.. because I remember the few times that Arsenal fans used to boo and we used to get slated for it. Especially from high and mighty 'proper fans' that generally followed United.
Arsenal never sank to the depths United have. They always play positive football as well.
 

iKeano

Full Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2015
Messages
1,755
I guess my biggest gripe is the effect it has on the players, including those few who may be playing well. That's why we should wait until he is walking down the tunnel so he knows its at him.
The players have to shoulder some of the burden too this season, but I agree. It generally has been reserved until he's about to hit the tunnel, or at his crazy substitutions. I think it's going to be ugly against Arsenal, I just hope the fans aren't pacified by good results against Shrewsbury and a decent return game against the not-so-great Danes.... that's assuming we are even capable of two 'good' results! He has to go for me regardless. Should have been gone after Wolfsburg.

Mostly I think they are hypocrites.. because I remember the few times that Arsenal fans used to boo and we used to get slated for it. Especially from high and mighty 'proper fans' that generally followed United.
Any fans that boo get slated, we all love watching the wheels come off for other teams. There's nothing 'High', nor 'mighty' about Utd at the minute!