Assist King.
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Seemed a lot more aggressive and confident today than I have seen him in what seems like years. Prepared to take a few risks, take players on and even having a crack from range - that is the sort of thing I want to see more of (if Valencia stays - and even then I would say RB is a position we should be seeking to improve in).
We've been really unfortunate not to have him available enough times this season.
I could only laugh when I saw him complete two of his trademark 360* spins before resorting to a desperation outside of the boot right-footed pass in the 1st half. I'm known (at the level of football I'm involved in) for being incredibly one-footed but Valencia seems like he'd rather die than attempt to do anything except stand up with his left foot.
PS. I love him. My other (RvP for life) favourite United player of the past 5 years.
PS. I love him. My other (RvP for life) favourite United player of the past 5 years.
Another great match with a fantastic assist. The swag is back. I can only imagine how many points more we would´ve had had Valencia and Shaw been available all year, not too mention the boost they would`ve given our languid attack. 6 points is not unreasonable to imagine. Maybe best of all it would´ve kept the atrocious liability/zero offense joke Darmian off the pitch which would´ve resulted in another few points.
On his day, he is probably the best right back in the PL, at least from this year.
On his day, he is probably the best right back in the PL, at least from this year.
Everything needed for a modern day full back, especially in our slow build up play, where he gives us the drive to make things happen. With a defensive midfielder to drop in and make a three at the back - similar to Dier at Spurs, Valencia and Shaw in full back positions can have the license to bomb forward at will.
I really like him since he's turned into a full back.
Would have loved that shot to go in, he hit it with some power. But good save from the keeper
He was great today. Didn't realise he had that touch over his shoulder in his locker. Good energy too, given how long he's been out.
No question about keeping him in the frame for next year. Hopefully he can actually stay fit.
No question about keeping him in the frame for next year. Hopefully he can actually stay fit.
His first touch always good. So many times Scholes delivered the ball from long distance and he took it down easily.
He will have his work cut out for him this weekend. Zaha has pace, power and trickery. I want Young on the right to help Antonio out but it will be Lingard.
Had a good game but he's shit, really. He has stopped so many attacks, slowed down the play and passes back way too often. Not to mention he smashes the ball into the ground that 99.9% of the time goes no where. Nice guy, shit winger/fullback.
I can't really see a difference between his performances now and the ones last season. He was good last season and he is good now, just others perception has changed of him because of other right backs not trouncing over him like everyone thought they would. Not only were they not trouncing him, they were worse, i.e. Darmain (an actual right back)
Miles better than Darmian in every way.
how can you compare Messi, Robben and Giggs and their one-footedness? it's completely different, they can still pass the ball with their left or use it to do something for Valencia it's just for leaning, he's been zillion times in situation where if he used his left leg he would start a nice counter or a nice combination but he slows so many attacks down which drives me crazy, one cut back pass with his head doesnt mean he's vision and if he had one it doesn't really matter when he plays like robot which never takes risks and can't thread through simple 5m pass..
as for his shooting who cares how good he's in that when he let fly maybe 4 times in his whole Unite career... he's a useful squad player and good rotation option for next season but should never start, people got used to really low level performances from Darmian and inconsistent Varela so all of a sudden they praise Valencia who wasn't anything special and yeah had a good game against 15th placed Bmouth who were on holiday...
Doesn't say much. Darmian has been very poor.
I'd ship Valencia off, this summer. He's not good enough anywhere but full back, where he's pretty average, as it is.
I agree
That's a tired cliché carried over from his last year as a right winger. I doubt he passes backwards anymore than other RB's in the league. He put in a good ball through for Rashford in the first half and put the long ball in for Rooney vs Norwich which we scored from so people saying he can't pass is nonsense. And to just tarnish him as shit rather than average is hypercritical.
I think with him and Darmian we have solid RBs that offer us different aspects one is better going forward and one is better defending. I like that balance. Yes I know Darmian has been shit buy I still believe he'll improve next season.
No contest there.
Valencia should have been sold a couple of years ago but right now there's zero justification in selling him when he's our best RB. The fact that it doesn't say much is an entirely different debate.
No, it's not another debate. He's our best because the rest aren't very good. Keeping him here does us no favours.
Give Darmian another year, sell Valencia, and promote Varela. If Darmian continues to be shit, ship him out next season. There's no point in keeping shit players for the sake of it.
Darmian will never reach his level.
It'll be Bolasie. Zaha plays on the right most the time unless Bolasie doesn't play.
Anyway I don't worry about Valencia in that sense, he's quick and strong in 1v1 situations he usually fairs pretty well. It's off the ball concentration and high crossfield balls he struggles with.
Hopefully though we can keep Palace pushed back, let them do the chasing.
Darmian is already close to being as useless as Valencia.
I have faith in Darmian, he's shown to be somewhat competent, unlike Valencia who's atrocious at right back.
And you know this because? And out of curiosity, what is this level that you speak of? It seems that you have concluded on a player after a few months under LVG where the whole team was crap.
Darmian was highly sought before we bought him, I'm not sure if other clubs hold Valencia in that regard. Darmian's best performances at RB will overshadow Valencia's at RB.
Confirmation bias at work. Or you literally don't have a scooby doo about football.
So let me get this straight.
We sell our best RB in the hope that the RB who has been beyond shite may reach Valencia's level, a level you have already described as atrocious.
So, it is another debate altogether. Valencia is our best RB so logically speaking he should be bottom of the list of RB's we should be looking to sell.
Conversely, it could be you that doesn't have a shaggy about football?
Valencia is and has been average, at best, for the last three years.
No, Valencia is 32/33 and not going to get any better. He's also not very good, so why on earth should we keep him? Because he's been the least worst of the lot?
So let me get this straight.
We sell our best RB in the hope that the RB who has been beyond shite may reach Valencia's level, a level you have already described as atrocious.
So, it is another debate altogether. Valencia is our best RB so logically speaking he should be bottom of the list of RB's we should be looking to sell.
Seems like a very convincing reason to me given Darmian is either dogshite or injured or generally both when he plays.
I would rather keep Valencia than Darmian. Darmian has been as big a disappointment as Memphis for me and I think that with both those players if we sell them this summer we should make most of our money back (as we did with Di Maria).
I've seen quite a few posts recently about how Mourinho would like Darmian but I don't see it at all. Mourinho places much more emphasis on athleticism than Van Gaal does and Darmian is simply much slower and weaker than even a 30 year old Valencia.
I've seen quite a few posts recently about how Mourinho would like Darmian but I don't see it at all. Mourinho places much more emphasis on athleticism than Van Gaal does and Darmian is simply much slower and weaker than even a 30 year old Valencia.
This thread makes me wonder if i'm watching a different game when there are still people suggesting Darmian over Valencia.
Valencia symbolizes the main thing that was alright in Fergie's era and evaporated after him. Namely the appliance and determination of player, his work-rate. First of all, don't get me wrong, that was not a main thing, of course even SAF would not won anything big with 11 valencias. But his nous for a player that would really be working hard was great.
You look at Valencia and he is not a good player, like properly good. He is average, maybe just a tad above. But he does not sulk, he is ready to fill different positions, roles. He managed to rediscover himself at the RB position. In the same manner as players like Fletch, Park, OShea rediscovered themselves. Valencia might lack a true ability or skill, the kind that gives you a starting spot in the top team, but when he plays, you can feel he does value being here at United.
Sadly i don't even have a whiff of that when i see Darmian play, or Bastain, Morgan, especially Depay and Rojo. Same thing was with other failed transfers, Di Maria and Falcao. Some of them are much better players, but ti put simply they don't really give a $hit and Valencia does. While it's important to have players with superior ability, i think it's also important for us to regain this "foundation" of sorts, lost after Fergie retired. This work ethic and to have players that actually appreciated being here, not the one that are here cause it was a good opportunity to develop career or get a last pay check or whatever.
So i'd like to keep him in the squad.
You look at Valencia and he is not a good player, like properly good. He is average, maybe just a tad above. But he does not sulk, he is ready to fill different positions, roles. He managed to rediscover himself at the RB position. In the same manner as players like Fletch, Park, OShea rediscovered themselves. Valencia might lack a true ability or skill, the kind that gives you a starting spot in the top team, but when he plays, you can feel he does value being here at United.
Sadly i don't even have a whiff of that when i see Darmian play, or Bastain, Morgan, especially Depay and Rojo. Same thing was with other failed transfers, Di Maria and Falcao. Some of them are much better players, but ti put simply they don't really give a $hit and Valencia does. While it's important to have players with superior ability, i think it's also important for us to regain this "foundation" of sorts, lost after Fergie retired. This work ethic and to have players that actually appreciated being here, not the one that are here cause it was a good opportunity to develop career or get a last pay check or whatever.
So i'd like to keep him in the squad.
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Getting rid of Valencia in this transition period would be silly. He is 30 yes, but look at Ibra and Ronaldo. Both are above 30 and they are proper professionals who take care of their bodies. Clearly Val does the same given that he came back really well despite a lengthy spell out. Even Suarez is 29, Messi is 28 and they're still going strong.
Getting rid of Valencia in this transition period would be silly. He is 30 yes, but look at Ibra and Ronaldo. Both are above 30 and they are proper professionals who take care of their bodies. Clearly Val does the same given that he came back really well despite a lengthy spell out. Even Suarez is 29, Messi is 28 and they're still going strong.
Innocent question mate, what right backs do you think are better than Valencia in the premier league currently?
It's not a leading question, just curious as to just how badly you rate him.
Valencia is badly underrated at RB, his concentration can be suspect but he's one of the best 1v1 defenders in the league due to his superior strength and pace. I honestly don't think there's many better RBs in the league than Valencia tbh.
Actually apart from Arsenal's Bellerin i, personally, don't know if i want anyone else. I mean i think Zabaleta is better over the last couple of years, but i feel that he is regressing at much faster paste because of his injuries. And Walker, Clyne, Sagna i don't think they are better at RB.
Of course Walker and Clyne being 4-5 years younger can raise their game a bit.
30 is hardly much for a proper athlete like Valencia. He looks a tad slower on the first five yards, but his top speed would still challenge Bale. I also think that he looks faster after removing the metal in his foot. Most sprinters break their own speed records past the age of thirty. Footballers are just lazy athletes that don't take care of their body like they should; something tells me that Valencia, on the other hand, does take care of himself. Has he ever lost a footrace?
Has been one of our best players over the last month alongside tony M, sign up all the tony's
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