It's not bullshit. It's not ideal to be dependant on kids to win you matches, that's not the environment that's best for their development. Take Bayern and Coman for example, talented as he is, he isn't asked to win matches for Bayern. The likes of Rashford need to know that they can play with freedom and that it's okay to not be top class every game as the team isn't dependant on him. Atm, it's upto Martial and rashford to get us home on the attacking front because the rest of them have been poor. Do you think Martial expected to be the best player and the one the team depends on when he moved from Monaco to us? As you said, the mentally strong ones would still thrive on it but even they would rather not have the team depending on them to win matches. Rashford would develop better if the scrutiny of his performances and progress in general was less which can only happen when we have others who step up. That's why someone like Ibra would be such a big help for these guys. The media will be focusing on him and he'll handle it all with ease. This helps the likes of martial and rashford to develop without being in the spotlight every game.
I'm worried about Rashford
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
with zlatan in the squad the pressure will be less.. i just hope the papers dont go nuts seeing him on the bench once and a while.. personally i think young strikers need a rest here and there..
being said.. rashford seems to be worth all the hype..
being said.. rashford seems to be worth all the hype..
The point I made is pretty clear and obvious. There is no point having talent but can't show it under pressure. Because at this level, you will always be under pressure. He is 18. It is old enough.
If he can thrive on all the pressure he has and become good, we know he is good. Otherwise, he is not good enough, protected or not. It is that simple.
If martial is the best player, that's good for him. Why on earth we should feel something like oh he should not be the best player here because he is young? I mean what kind of logic is that?
Rashford is NOT asked to win the matches. It is 11 people on the pitch. He is a striker and expecting him to make goals is normal.
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If he doesn't thrive under the pressure of being the main goalscorer of a club like Manchester United aged 18, he isn't good enough? Well, that's where we disagree then. No top club should put that sort of pressure on an 18yr old. Take Barca, Real, Bayern or any other top club for that matter, how many are reliant on an 18yr old to be their main goalscorer? Let's look closer to home, how many of SAFs squads were reliant on a 18yr old in the same way we are on Rashford at the moment?
By the way, saying we're reliant on him to win matches is obviously a reference to the goals. Not about him tackling the opposition striker, passing it to himself in CM, putting a through ball to himself upfront and then slotting it past the keeper. That too is quite clear and obvious I'd have thought.
I'm not worried, even I want him to be like CR7, be arrogant, cocky boy with great skills! just my wish.. 
I am not sure why you are bringing those other players and clubs names? If rashford is good enough to be the main goalscorer, he will become one. If not, he will become whatever he will become. I mean it is that complicated?
If Zlatan comes and plays for a year, and next year after that rashford becomes shit, what would that mean?
SAF actually did play a lot of super talented players around that age. Remember Giggs, Rooney, Ronaldo? And, then again, some would say he should have trusted in that 18 years old midfielder from france and we could have a world class midfielder with us now.
See how it goes? In the end, if a player is good enough to be superstar of a team, he will.
P.S Actually, Martial is expected to win the games by many, not Rashford. It is like some people putting up this agenda to justify their muppet signing in Zlatan.
We won't do that either.
I'm not sure you're willing to understand any of what I say. Let's leave this, all a bit pointless.
Yep, Mourinho will address that for sure. Was talking of last season there.
He has already defied most of the pressure that was suppose to be a shock to the system for him. If he were not able to cope with all of this, he wouldn't have made the jump from U18s to starting 11. Now that he has the confidence and form, and the likelihood to learn under Zlatan and Zlatan taking a load of his shoulders, he will carry on and will only get better.
I am just seeing things a bit too simple. I don't lose sleep on so called promising talents. I see what they can do right there and then.
I'm glad someone said this (hur hur). This has been on the back of my mind for a while. But I think that most fans are sensible and won't get his back if he doesn't perform constantly all season.
My main concern is with Jose playing him enough. With Ibra coming in and Jose reluctant to play youth I can see him struggling to play this season.
Whatever happens now at least he was an international panini sticker.
Rashford is surrounded by supporting players, a top coach. He should be fine.
I actually share similar concerns as the OP. Januzaj and Rashford have a lot of similarities. A breakthrough season when the team was at a low, managerial change, a star signing in the same position as the player(ADM in case of Januzaj, Zlatan this year). Let's just hope Rashford gets chances and doesn't try too hard to prove himself to the manager(like Januzaj)
This is way exaggerated. He had a decent season in an abysmal team (performance wise because personnel was fine) but he certainly did not carry that team. We sent him to Dortmund already and he did not show much.
Januzaj after a couple of good games for Moyes thought he was the dogs bollocks but clearly has a dodgy attitude and is on the way down, unlike Rashford who clearly relished his chance and firmly grabbed it with both hands and is on the up.
Easy to say that now, but if one digs his match performance thread that season, I'm pretty sure everyone will agree that he was absolutely fantastic that season. IMO he was definitely among the top 3 players for us that season.
That's possibly correct, but that was two seasons ago. Do you think Rashford would go missing for two seasons. I don't think so.
But if you see us signing Zlatan, it's obvious he won't get a lot of game time. He'll get 5-10 minutes/game(similar to what Januzaj was getting in ADM's season). It won't come as a shock to see him snatch at chances and become more selfish, which will affect his game. A bad season, could end up him being loaned out and we are at the Januzaj scenario
As people have stated, signing someone like zlatan will take a huge amount of pressure off him, which going into a second season, always the one where loads of potentially gifted players trip up, will allow him to pace his development at an attainable level. I reckon he will be fine but hey, you never know.....
So you are saying we should not sign Zlatan because it might potentially feck Rashford's development?
Not exactly saying that. All I'm saying is, there are a lot of similarities with Januzaj's case, a high profile signing in his position being one. Let Rashford be himself, and not push him a lot. Give him decent gametime, let him be comfortable, because we might easily feck his development like we did with Adnan's.
There is no way to know. He might become better with pressure or he might become worse without enough game time and pressure. Hopefully, we deal his situation right next season with a bit of luck.
Imo we did his and martial's situations well last season no matter what people like to think. Both came out as best players at such young players. I would hope they continue that to next seasons.
True, but we can't rely on him as being our main striker, it's too much pressure in a second season. Zlatan will allow him to develop his game and learn more slowly. Fergie always went on about not rushing young players too fast and the need to ease them in more and more over time.
It's totally pointless thinking about it.
The hype around him won't go away. If you appear from nowhere like he had then it's inevitable. The genie is out of the bottle now. Either he has the strength of character to deal with it (and any drop in form or other issues that arise) or he doesn't.
Being able to deal with all of the rubbish is what separates top players from average players. So far the signs look good. He seems very grounded.
He is either destined to be a great player or he is not. If he is then he will cope if he isn't then so be it.
We only did that out of pure necessity. Having less pressure this season will good for him, he has the chance to develop "normally"
Yup, LVG put all his eggs in the Rooney basket which bombed. Having someone like Ibra here would be great for rashford.
Most 18-year olds can barely handle the pressure of exams and driving tests. You're asking him to be immune to the pressure of being focal point of Manchester United attack.
It's why I don't want him to play too much at the euros. A game to get experience maybe a few sub appearances but that's it.
As others have said a big name player like Ibra coming in will bring the lad back down to earth and take some spot light off him.
He does seem very grounded right now though so I'm not too worried
As others have said a big name player like Ibra coming in will bring the lad back down to earth and take some spot light off him.
He does seem very grounded right now though so I'm not too worried
Just like Harry Kane, he seems very grounded and mentally strong, working hard, that alone had helped in the world of thousands of talents to make their careers successful. I am sure he will be fine but it wouldn't be wise to make him no1 option from the start of the season. He will learn alot from a more senior striker like Zlatan and there won't be as much pressure on him as it was last season.. I am confident he will become a great player for us..
I don't think there's any need to be concerned re Rashford. Looks to have his head screwed on to me. He's also proven so far that when given a chance to show what he can do he takes it. I hope he's used sparingly and well in the coming season, taking his opportunities, developing alongside Zlatan (if he's in) and staying hungry and focused. I think he'll double his goal tally and be a year closer to the finished article come season end.
I'm worried he won't get any game time at the Euros
He doesn't remotely bothered by anything. He looks like he could be given a Balon d'Or and just walk up and be like 'thanks', then walk off smiling. He has no Ego, no point to prove, no care for things outside his current bubble so i don't think he will take much notice. We will protect him long term, we all know full well how the Media change their minds every story, he's in the best place to be able to handle this. For me i only see a massive scope for progression and a lad which hopefully will stick around as one of our own for many years to come
He'll get plenty of game time. In Januzaj's second season, we didn't have any European football and crashed out of the league cup in the first match. At the very least we'll have Europe League group stage matches and hopefully a better progression in the league cup. Zlatan is turning 35, he may still be a physical beast but he's not going to play all those matches.
Worst case scenario yes he may go the same way as Januzaj. That's always a possibility. Why worry about that or assume the worst though? He'll have every chance of developing himself at the club.
I think Adnan's development was fecked by Van Gaal and you can't compare to Rashfords situation..At the start of the first season LVG played 532 and we had lots of player that can play number 10 so didn't get too much of a look in. Then we moved 442 diamond same difference for adnan. eventually when LVG got back to playing 433 or 4231 his confidence had been completely shot. He wasn't the only one even a worldie like Di Maria hardly got a game then either. I think Adan need to be cut some slack like a lot of players, they didn't perform over the last 2 seasons within the confines of LVG tactics as it was too restrictive (Depay as well get too much crap on here too, separate debate) we are always too ready to chuck them under a bus after a poor season. I understand people talking about attitude and body language but if you have no confidence you going to look like you don't give a shit. Look at Martial, he looks miserable most of the time.
Back to the point and Rashford has done well in a terrible season and while i want to see him play a lot next season we can't gamble as a club that he is going to score 20-30 goals so the need to bring in some experience in that department. If he didn't get the goals that then it would be another season fecked and probably another new manager next season. Regardless of age if Spurs had lost Kane for a large part of the season then they would be nowhere, you can pick any team and you can't be reliant on one striker all season, I would be happy if ZI does come as opposed to a £60m younger striker as Rashford chances of playing will be less. He will get game time under Mourinho, he has never had a remit before of trying to bring young player through before, Chelsea and Real are always win the league at all costs and if you don't you will be sacked so you can't really judge him on that. If Rashford is good enough and has the right attitude (the signs are good) the he will reach his potential.
Back to the point and Rashford has done well in a terrible season and while i want to see him play a lot next season we can't gamble as a club that he is going to score 20-30 goals so the need to bring in some experience in that department. If he didn't get the goals that then it would be another season fecked and probably another new manager next season. Regardless of age if Spurs had lost Kane for a large part of the season then they would be nowhere, you can pick any team and you can't be reliant on one striker all season, I would be happy if ZI does come as opposed to a £60m younger striker as Rashford chances of playing will be less. He will get game time under Mourinho, he has never had a remit before of trying to bring young player through before, Chelsea and Real are always win the league at all costs and if you don't you will be sacked so you can't really judge him on that. If Rashford is good enough and has the right attitude (the signs are good) the he will reach his potential.
He was diving like a 24 year old Ronaldo that is.
Too much fecking time on your hands to be worrying about this...
In the end, there's always a risk, but that is also up to the player. It will show his character and will, and there is nothing a manager or other players could do
Me too even though he tailed off a little bit towards the end of that season but i was hoping for big things in 2014-15. But at a fragile stage of his career i think he was mishandled by Van Gaal and his treatment from LVG last season was pathetic, let's hope Mourinho can do something with him.