Irrelevant, the actual fall is incredibly small. Frenc politician will want to renegotiate the touquet but serioulsy it's such piddling matter in the grander scheme. Dam right they don't want us to have access but they may have no choice.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
There's some talk about a Norway style deal. You'll then have all the freedoms (including movement, and Schengen), implement all EU directives at express speed and pay membership fees. You'll lose your vote in the EU though.
So if that's what the UK is aiming for ... Welcome back into the EU
(we missed you for a while)
So if that's what the UK is aiming for ... Welcome back into the EU
(we missed you for a while)
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Dam right they do, the whole of the EU is in such a bad position now.
Yup, it seems that I was wrong the EU is coming after the UK.
I think many in England would be glad to see the back of Scotland now. We have felt divorced since the referendum anyway. Westminster claim that Scotland doesn't even pay its way in the UK and I believe that. Simply because the SNP were offered full fiscal autonomy when oil prices were high and they refused it, wanting to stick to Westminster funding known as the Barnett Formula. That tells you all that you need to know.
For Scotland it is a good time to move now we have left the EU as they can go from suckling on Westminster's teat to Germany's.
I have nothing against Scotland, the people are great and the country but I do believe that the UK would be more prosperous without them and they would be happier without us.
Has anyone pointed out that the biggest mistake Cameroon made was not to include the BNO holders in the referendum?
Over 3 millions eligible voters in Hong Kong and they'd vote to remain by at least 90%.
Over 3 millions eligible voters in Hong Kong and they'd vote to remain by at least 90%.
Churchhill wanted it, and therefore I do
Not really but yeah I'd still like
Hey lets get one thing straight I didn't vote leave, I just want things to work now it has happened, I love this country and the doom and gloom, and the need from people to vent the fury is really getting to me, if there's no going back then we need to move forward, how though is anyone's guess right now.
Good question?
It was a long time coming.
She's spot on. The closet racist will be out in force. Its out of order and my mum said she's heard similar comments when shes been out and about.
Racists are seeing the poll win as 50% of the population having similar views to them. It's worrying.
Probably thought he won't need them.
Germans asking us to trigger it now as well.
They feel that they can do to Labour like the SNP have done.
They want to punish us as soon as possible. Partly because they want to kill the idea that we can go back for more concessions and remain.
I didn't, but it seems no one who voted in is now aloud to try and ask the way forward, just try to up the anti about how crap things are going to be from now on, sorry for trying to move on too quickly for some peoples liking.
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The idea that we can get 'a similar deal to Norway' has been floating around.
Am I right in thinking that not only is it highly unlikely to do this - given the size of the UK's economy in comparison to Norway. Massive differences in population and power. And the fact that we are now in a position with less leverage?
Am I right in thinking that not only is it highly unlikely to do this - given the size of the UK's economy in comparison to Norway. Massive differences in population and power. And the fact that we are now in a position with less leverage?
Yes, EU parliament wants a revenge as soon as possibile.
Nah, they want to get past the uncertainity around the EU as fast as possible. Getting Britain out sooner rather than later is better for that.
Unfortunately I suspect they could go from strength to strength from here..
I reckon that our new Government may well accept freedom of movement to keep our access to the single market, and rightly so.
We are then left in a situation similar to now but UKIP will be the ones playing the immigration card and complaining that we should never have agreed to free movement. Our problems will continue to be blamed on the immigration.
This will only increase their popularity amongst all those voters who decided to vote leave based on fears of immigration which is a huge number of people.
I fear a bumpy road ahead but I really hope this is not the case.
So you want to have most of the EU regulations, pay more money to them than we do now, but not have any right to vote on what they do?
It's about creating clear and predictable conditions, and avoiding an extended phase of limbo. People need to plan, the economic players need to plan and know what's about to happen asap.
The launch sequence for the nuke has been triggered. What nobody needs it the madman at the red button saying *Hmm, I might push the button 5mins later*
It was only healed last year!
Well considering they might have just fecked us for the next decade or longer (I use the royal we here, I sensibly emigrated to France already) it seems a bit rich to complain that Remain voters are still angry 24 hours later.
This is bollocks, Germany, who lets face it are the main men will want an amicable agreement, their economy relies heavily on ours also, as do many others, it is also in everyone's interests to come up with a proper agreement over EU workers who are living here, and vise versa, they will try and kick us, but it can't be too hard.
We have to start putting a more positive spin on things, or the backhole of despair will consume us.
Also EU essentially telling us the Feck off leaves the Leave fantasy that there can be " an amicable divorce" dead in the water.
Ok, fair enough, i'm too quick with my trying to move on speech.
That would have gone down really well wouldn't it.
The EU needs us to feck off as soon as possible, until we do we have dominion over them. They can't force us to invoke article 50 because if they did, it would have to be written into EU law meaning we can either Veto it or we can help them enforce it which would mean any member state would have an immediate way out in any referendum removing the power from Brussels to force any state to stay in just because they use the Euro.
Merkel has already said the exit will be painful for the UK.
You people have taken a "let's take the plunge and hope for the best approach" it's in the EU's long term interest to make is as painful as possible for the UK. Hollande, Merkel, Junker and Tusk have already implied it.
It would be hilarious if the UK end up with a similar deal to Norway, the only real difference to being apart of EU would be that you have no say in what happens in the Union. You would still have the freedom of movement, access to the single market, paying large membership fee's but no vote in what happens in the union.
Well time will tell, but I refuse to be sucked into the vacuum of despair at this point, yes it was better to stay, but it's not the apocalypse.
There's a lot of drama hipsters here and all over Facebook. The amount of people on my feed who don't have a clue about politics or economics suddenly becoming social warriors is amazing. Sure we've all seen it.
People yesterday were downplaying the recovery of the market and downplaying any possible deal that might approach the status quo.
We've already seen Leave campaigners downplay the delivery now. People need to understand what gets said to win an election/vote is not what politicians actually do when theyve won. Our boys will bend over to any demands from the EU and the EU member states will limit damage not 'punish'
Best possible outcome from an EU perspective.
I'm not in despair. I am a masters student, a British national but not native. I wasn't born here.
Although I would rather not, I have not problem emigrating to another country to find good work. I don't have a house, I don't have a mortgage and I don't have children to care for.
So believe me, I am not in despair. I just think the country has taken a monumental risk for little gain.
O yes I am. I'm just not a fan of any parliamentary system. Having a parliament doesn't mean you have democracy, democracy is about power, ballots, seats, elections and people debating don't guarantee democracy.
If you make enough steps of representation you end up with a USSR or DDR style of democracy. Besides the fact that the EP is denied powers any normal parliament has, it's not a representative democracy, it's not OMOV, is has no equality of members, and it's mixed up with a halfhearted version of the British system. This causes the parliament to be too fragmented to be powerfull.
It's also very uneuropean. The European ideals of integration are kept from it's parliament to make sure Europeans can't vote for or against the people who decide for them. When the elections for the EU parlement come we're supposed to turn into nationalists who vote nationally for people of our own nationality to serve national interests, and after they are sworn in they are supposed to think European again and be wooed by the Europe's big business. There's just no election result that really changes or is able to change the way the EU operates or the direction it's going in. Even Iran holds elections that can make a difference. In terms of importance, the elections for the EP are like those in communist countries, only with less flattering voter turnout numbers.
Size is not the issue here. The terms of TTIP the EU negotiates are not to serve the peope of Europe but the multinational companies on both sides of the Atlantic. Anyone could negotiate a better deal for the people of the country who takes part in the negotiations, especially as no deal is the better deal. TTIP isn't your normal free trade treaty.
Regarding TTIP, see my response to the other guy who brought that one up as an argument *for* the Brexit
I won't comment on the various other pieces of uninformed sound bites with little to no actual substance behind it.
But this one here is very amusing in particular.
Do you know who is the spearheading advocate among the EU Commission for most possible toxic TTIP version here in Europe? Yours sincerely Jonathan Hill, member of the british conservative party and David Camerons champion in Brussels
So do you know what this means? Those powers within the EU who are favoring that approach have been signficantly weakened by the Brexit.
The TTIP negotiations have already been pushed back to a date of 2018 earliest. And now, that the UK doesn't have a say in it anymore, we're likely to get a less toxic deal.
You guys on the other hand, are now completely at the mercy of your very own government, which by coincidence wants a TTIP as corporate-friendly and anti-consumerist as possible.
Enjoy!
That's fair enough. I don't mind difference of views, as long as your consistent. So if you're not a fan of EU because they're not elected in the way you like then you should not be a fan of the HoL, The Queen and the fact that our media organisations are owned by a few.
Correct, it's like comparing a car with a motorbike. They're both forms of transport and both need petrol to run but their driving style and characteristics are different. So yeah, it's a bit rubbish to compare the two. As someone said, we're more like Turkey than Norway.