Not really. As many have mentioned, this split is really really bad economically for BOTH parties. How many businesses and people etc. want to invest in the EU or in the UK while there is such uncertainty? Both unions will suffer from this uncertainty, and saying whether EU or UK will suffer more is a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. The sooner this is sorted, the better.
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It's the definition of Anarchy.
It's called damage limitations. Leave was a dumb idea.
Not really. It was nearly a 50/50 split.
You are right about the punishment, that's a stupid idea to suggest that the EU will punish the UK, my concern is that the EU officials are sharks and they will try to fleece the UK, that's what they do, the UK had the benefit of being a member and wasn't on the wrong side of the table, now it's different.
BBC: Brexit referendum: EU ministers press UK for quick exit
Everything your saying is in direct contradiction of what is literally happening.
It's one thing believing that the doom and gloom is being over-stated its one thing saying that Germany will 'want it to be amicable'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36626409
I think they were saying that as you were writing your post...
I understand the EU being upset and not wanting to make leaving easy, but if they push too hard in trying to punish the UK doesn't it make them look like exactly what the leavers said they were?
Doesn't it make them look bad for not respecting the will of the people? A vote was held in the UK, even though the EU (and myself) think it was the wrong decision, shouldn't their be some respect for a nation and it's people being able to make a choice for itself?
Doesn't it make them look bad for not respecting the will of the people? A vote was held in the UK, even though the EU (and myself) think it was the wrong decision, shouldn't their be some respect for a nation and it's people being able to make a choice for itself?
Has there been any statement from our very healthily paid and housed, unelected Head of State since the result was announced?
This is essentially the same thing. This is what we have been saying for months. But only now you're concerned about it? This is exactly what we said would happen a week ago.
I don't get you? The UK voted to leave so the EU are getting them to leave. How's that not letting them make a choice?
The EU doesn't particularly like democracy, let alone local and national democracy. In total they dont have a lot of time for national states as a whole, their ideal scenario would be one united European superstate.
They would much rather that legislations and choices are made by one of their four gazillion not democratically elected faceless bureacrats. And then being forced upon the member states without said population or politicians in those states having any say in it.
I think she's right to remain quiet.
It's not the same thing, the EU are going to negotiate for themselves that's not a punishment. I don't think that the EU are going to go out of their way just to punish the UK, they are just going to selfishly negotiate the best deals for themselves.
You think that it's a punishment?
Why would they give a toss what British people think now the UK has just voted to leave? Politicians only generally care about what their voters think.
Yeah the news reports of her asking visitors "3 reasons to stay in the EU" have not helped.
Has any British politician said anything about what they will do now? It's starting to look like no one in the UK has a clue about what to do now.
I have no respect for the people who made this choice why should the rest of the EU?
Nobody disrespects the decision. The EU simply expects it to executed accordingly. What's the issue?
Of course there isn't an overly big amount of goodwill there at the moment.
The Brexit campaign painted the EU as a dictatory, useless money sink, depriving honest, hard working british people of their freedom and greatfulness. Therefore leaving the EU asap may the way to rapture.
So how are they supposed to react 'amicable' ?
Srsly, cognitive dissonance can be amazing at times.
That depends what you mean by them fleecing us?
What they won't do is significantly damage our economy as it serves no one. This isn't just a discussion between the EU and the UK, it affects global markets and companies and pressures will be applied.
Now is apparently the time to think up a plan according to Farage. I mean seriously we should have had this worked out before.
It's all well and good changing your narrative now, a week ago it was 'we're an amazing country, everyone wants to do business with us, 5th largest economy 'la, we won't have to agree concessions at all. No tariffs, no free movement. They need us more than we need them 'guv.'
Now you're worried about what we've spent the last few months telling you? That we need them more than they need us and they will get the most they can out of the deal fleecing us? It's a shame more people didn't think of this in advance.
And yes part of the reason they will be hard with concessions is to set an example. That's a form of punishment. Getting the best out of the deal is simply common sense, something that a lot of leavers continually dismissed as 'scaremongering'.
Why? She didn't think twice about talking about the Scottish referendum before and after the result.
The country has voted to completely change its political landscape, the PM is leaving his post, his party is in turmoil and some Labour MPs want Corbyn gone. What is she for if not times like this?
Told you.
I think the E U will put enormous pressure on Cameron and he will quit earlier than expected.
He has nothing to lose. He and the people in his party that wanted this, aren't exactly best of friends at the moment.
He has nothing to lose. He and the people in his party that wanted this, aren't exactly best of friends at the moment.
If the EU wants to survive mid to long term then surely leaving it must have severe negative consequences for England?! Otherwise the remaining nations would contemplate leaving at every little roadblock, especially if the coincide with upcoming elections since it's a great topic to play on people's fears and prejudices.
Seems like the first thing the 'leave' mob did once the result was confirmed, was to say "we don't have to do anything right away!"
Almost as if they don't have a clue what they're doing/talking about.
Stamps.
Who? Whose in charge to do anything? Cameron's resignation has left a hole that needs to be filled quickly. Waiting until October to elect a new leader at a time like this will just throw the country into turmoil.
By fleecing, I mean that the EU will have a more selfish approach to negotiation. Fleecing is the bad word.
I admitted that I was completely wrong.
She really is a useless old bag.
I really don't know what she can say that will make things better. Her kingdom is disappearing, Scotland is definitely gone, Ireland is only going to get worse, Gibraltar overwhelmingly wants to remain EU.
What's she supposed to say?
Only from a Brexiteer perspective. From an EU perspective it is about sticking to the terms that have been set up for everyone. The EU is a club, and gaining access to its benefits is tied to terms. It is that simple.
Now the Brexiteers don't like the terms and want the benefits nonetheless. If the EU refuses, they cry *punishment* like a 5 year old.
The EU has the responsibility to get the best deal for its member states and citizens. Now the truth is, the best deal for their members may be to have an open trade relationship with the UK. At the same time, they may view the best deal is to grab the UK by the balls and not hold back - after all, if the UK can't negotiate a deal with the EU, they may well and truly be fecked (although the EU may be as well). I'm of the opinion that there are enough smart people to try negotiate the best deal for both.
These negotiations will take two years minimum probably. I view this push as just to start the negotiations as the longer it's uncertain, the worse it is for everyone.
The British are frantically Googling what the E.U. is, hours after voting to leave it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ter-voting-to-leave-it/?tid=pm_business_pop_b
People are frantically googling what did they actually vote for and what is EU.
People are frantically googling what did they actually vote for and what is EU.
All this talk of 'punishment'.
Almost as if the EU and it's members don't have their own (entitled) agenda to pursue. Kind of sums up the arrogance of little Englanders.
Almost as if the EU and it's members don't have their own (entitled) agenda to pursue. Kind of sums up the arrogance of little Englanders.
Britain has chosen to leave. Why would the Eu care about what British citizens think at that point? The EU will put their interests first especially at a time of a possible recession spurred by the British and in which we had no say about. If the EU doesn't put the EU citizens interest first no one will
So am I right in thinking that the people of Britain made probably the biggest decision of their lives without any plan or any thought of the consequences?
Those from Brexit haven't a clue what to do next.Why they wrote a letter to Cameron asking him to continue.