You really don't understand how it works. Every state has a say mate.Yeah, it is real democratic - for the powerhouses that is. Germany and France always gets their will when it comes to EU matters, the small countries have no sway whatsoever.
That is why I find it funny when people lambast the Norwegian deal for not giving us influence on things within the EU, yeah, like we would have any say as a member
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Exactly. All the cost with none of the voting rights.
My biggest concern is as an employee outside the EU. Longer hours, less job security and smaller redundancy payments.
And people are still saying that remainers need to calm down and just accept it because the country has made their decision. Only the idiots that couldn't see all of this coming made this decision.
Same. The thought of Boris managing Britain is terrifying
Wonderful! Lets start by destroying all Bingo Halls across the Country.But you'll make your own laws & be back in control of Britain!!
Funny how Norwegian's seem to always look at the EU very negatively, and with a very misguided thought process and factually incorrect statements behind their arguments.Yeah, it is real democratic - for the powerhouses that is. Germany and France always gets their will when it comes to EU matters, the small countries have no sway whatsoever. The whole union is tailored for Germanys big export industry and Frances big farming industry.
A common monetary policy that solves the problem Germany had with their currency and inflation going up, thus leaving their products more expensive for others to buy and import, which left them with problems.
A huge subsidiary solution for Frances enormous agricultural industry.
The difference in power that the individual nations in the EU has is why I find it funny when people lambast the Norwegian deal for not giving us influence on things within the EU, yeah, like we would have any say as a member
Almost as if they don't have a notion because they're not involved in it.
P.S: Not every country is as filthy rich as you and can afford the payments you can
I honestly hope that Boris will show some maturity by going to Brussels, negotiate something (free hairspray?) And return to London to trigger a second referendum.They'll screw us too as I imagine they'll be extremely stubborn to compromise with (who blames them tbf). So yeah. Great, I wonder where all this magical money is going to come from? Oh yes, taxes. Wonderful. Can't wait for all of our services to get fecked yet further.
But don't worry, we have that 350 million a day cash flow coming in.... right....
Oh, so Germany and France doesn't have more of a say than smaller countries with the qualified majority voting system which is directly population dependant?
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
As per @Gambit 's quote, the EU is on ice until we enact Article 50, we have no time limit on when we have to do this. All we are seeing yesterday and today is the desperation of the EU. We are in the driving seat.
Everyone gets a veto to level the playing field. It also makes sense that the higher populations, who put more money in the pot, have a higher presence in the parliament. Like the capital city is almost every country has more representation than any given rural area.
Don't worry we have power and control!They'll screw us too as I imagine they'll be extremely stubborn to compromise with (who blames them tbf). So yeah. Great, I wonder where all this magical money is going to come from? Oh yes, taxes. Wonderful. Can't wait for all of our services to get fecked yet further.
But don't worry, we have that 350 million a day cash flow coming in.... right....
Just try not to think about who we've handed it too for likely decades...
If what we are driving is a clapped out Cortina with a dodgy suspension and an increasingly leaky oil pipe.
This might somewhat be true, but it's going to become apparent (if it isn't already) to everyone soon that the UK needs the EU far more than the EU needs the UK, and if the UK actually wants trade agreements etc. with the EU then they are going to have to make compromises and respect the EU, because the EU have already made it very clear they won't bend over for the UK.
At least now you can vote for the people who govern you.
Strange, because that's exactly what the EU has been heading for for years. Work harder, earn less, have less security, watch your pension shrink, pay more for housing, health care and education.
If your own government is doing worse in that respect than the EU, you should be happy you can vote them out. You can't do that with the EU, you can only vote yourself out.
Of course, weighting votes for population is the only way to do it. But this is the core of why I dont like the EU; Finland should be free to vote and decide for themselves what is best for Finland, Denmark should also be able to, Austria should be able to etc.
What the majority and economic powers and big players of the EU want isn't always right for everybody.
The EU is frozen until we enact Article 50, they can't negotiate any trade deals until we are gone, the twist is that due to their legislation we decide when we go!
They are desperate hence all the calls for us to enact and one of the EU leaders saying 'we are looking for another way to kick Britain out'.
We just need to take our time as nicely as possible and say we will play nice if they do. Mutual interests. The EU is on the ropes as it is. They have just lost one of two net contributors to the Union. Germany is now left propping up the whole of Europe. Portugal is in a terrible economic state, whilst Spain and Italy still pose a risk of becoming the next Greece,
Don't blame them hating us, we are amazingly arrogant. Some are still living under the impression that we still have a empire, harping on about Nelson and Wellington, we won the war. We can't seem to move on and realise times have changed, the world has changed. We are a part of that world, not the centre of it.
Don't you think that this instability wouldn't hit Britain too?
What do you think company's thinking about investing in the UK will do now? The longer you wait the more company's will look elsewhere to make their investments. No one benefits from the uncertainty about what will happen next.
Basically see this that Ubik posted earlier:
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They've got their independence but with the immigration issue still not being dealt with they'll go from strength to strength taking votes - particularly in Labour constituencies up North whose MPs had been for Remain but whose constituents voted Leave in numbers.
My home town as well as place I am currently in had MPs who were for Remain but constituents voted for Leave. Margin between Labour and UKIP is quite big in both but they'll close the gap.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/orderedseats.html
Rotherham, Heywood and Middleton, Hartlepool to name a few who could go purple. And then there's the constituencies where Labour and Conservatives are close. With UKIP eating into Labour votes moreso than Conservative ones, those areas will go blue.
I'm sorry, are you saying they aren't free to do that? You're making it sound like the EU rules over the Governments of all of these countries and dictates every aspect of their lives.
They are all free to vote. Nobody forced them into the EU. They are in it, because it is to their advantage. If the EU wasn't an overall success story, it would never have reached its current size.
The majority powers don't have their way at their leisure as you are trying to paint it. It's always about finding compromises to get the best possible solution for everyone.
If a country like Finland wants to take a "Finland first, no compromises, screw the others" stance, then indeed, going out would be the way for them. Since they didn't win the ressource lottery like your country did, they are better off with their EU membership.
Our economy is relatively strong. The EU is a castle made on sand.
Most companies official lines have been to proceed with caution and seem to be waiting how the land lies.
You are right of course. My point is that our negotiating position is stronger than people seem to realise.
Also imagine how if by next election article 50 isn't invoked. People may change their minds and vote labour or worse they may be pissued off and vote Ukip. Either way the tories will be remembered as bottlers
This is what annoys me. We have our own laws, we have a government who runs our country well or badly. Most things the EU does would pass us by and would be unnoticed if the Daily Mail and Express didn't get their knickers in a twist over every slightest thing. Most of the things are insignificant, but the papers as usual turn them into big events.
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Neither can the UK negotiate anything while there's so much uncertainty about the future. What business will invest in the UK today when they have no idea what they can expect regarding legislation in trading? You may be in the drivers' seat because it's the UK that have to enact article 50, but your driving towards a brick wall right now and the longer you wait to take a turn on that wheel, the more likely it is you will crash.
It's not in the UK's interest to have an unstable economic climate.
Which side seems more concerned about article 50? UK voters want to see us get the best deal of course. Article 50 is our ace.
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All the UK needs is for the EU to be reasonable and realistic. Then everyone is happy.
Economies rely on stability and the country's integrity. Also I wouldn't be so sure about Britain's economy strength. Your economy growth is lower than that of poland
That is exactly my point,all international investments in Britain will basically be put on hold until this is resolved.
The eu wants you to activate to stabilise the region. I thought that the European was a burden for you. Why you are hesitating now?
Genuine question, is the manner in which Vote Leave conducted their campaign grounds for an electoral challenge?
I know lying for votes is the politicians raison d'être but theres something deeply unsettling about a campaign that knowingly, purposefully and repeatedly misled the electorate on every issue to win votes.
I know lying for votes is the politicians raison d'être but theres something deeply unsettling about a campaign that knowingly, purposefully and repeatedly misled the electorate on every issue to win votes.
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And what exactly does this mean in particular(other than scapegoating the EU preemptively again)?
I am still annoyed that Farage doesn't think I'm a decent person. Arsehole.
And they will be reasonable. You chose to leave. Please close the door behind. Seriously do you think anyone will take you seriously if you hesitate to activate the same clause you voted to activate?
And in the EU. We can wait until October and the new leader us in power. It is reasonable. How can we expect Cameron to negotiate for something he didn't want?
Might be too unrealistic the be expecting the UK to be reasonable and realistic.
Then they will change the locks on the door.
You don't think that being in the EU has anything to do with that? That's very arrogant. A lot of the business in the UK is also from investors from abroad. With the promise of open market with the rest of the EU gone, there's a lot less incentive to keep their business in the UK. That decreases the strength the strength of your strong economy.