I dont think he should be in our starting 11 but Rooney deserves better than what he's getting right now. No matter what wages youre on it can't be easy having the world tell you you're shite when you've been used to such a high level. He's been brilliant for United and the game in general. Yes he's had some negatives but when I see him chase back into our own corner to get a block on a northhampton player when we are 3-1 up with a couple minutes to go I see a genuinely honest and great player trying to do his best. His best days are past but he may still be a useful squad player this season. Its a pity to see some of the abuse he's getting and I would'nt bet against him turning this around and playing a big part in our season still
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What's with all the propaganda going on, he's out of form so drop him and try someone else, why should that be so difficult.
I find it hard to buy into the theory that his contract dictates he plays, or that it'll cost us sponsors if he doesn't play, that sort of set up would be beyond stupid.
The guy is ruining his legacy here, he could become our highest ever goal scorer soon, and no one will give dam.
I find it hard to buy into the theory that his contract dictates he plays, or that it'll cost us sponsors if he doesn't play, that sort of set up would be beyond stupid.
The guy is ruining his legacy here, he could become our highest ever goal scorer soon, and no one will give dam.
He could be a useful squad player, but for that to happen he has to admit that he is not the player he was. He isn't doing it and thinks he is entitled to play. Until he has that reality check he is a problem.
Yeah fair point. I think that would be in everyones interests. But as he said he has always had to prove people wrong. thats part of what drives him. so I can't imagine he's sitting at home thinking he should give up and step back. he'll want the next game to prove everyone wrong. its just not happening for him. the manager has to be strong now and take the decision from him.
My own conspiracy theory is that he'll be entitled to a cut from all future image rights from the club and he really really needs those final 4 goals to cement his future earnings.
You forget this contract was made with a dithering Moyes and a green Woodward, at a time when we needed him more and was still a decent player. They obviously couldn't predict his massive fall, he was practically a guaranteed starter anyway.
Now he's useless we've suddenly got a huge problem. Why would the club be going so far to protect the reputation of 1 player? It's utter madness.
We might aswell changed our name to hairychester Roonited
Even as a squad player, he'd be too much of a distraction and I actually don't believe he's good for the dressing room. It seems a lot of the players pander to him, his ego and the press' perception of him.
There's just too much focus on him, too much delusional punditry and bollocks written about him that I'd prefer we just had a clean break.
That won't be a popular post but you make some decent points. The spite and vitriol aimed at someone who will go down as a club legend because he's (shock horror) not playing as well we he used to is depressing.
People dress it up as delayed hatred for the time he complained about the club's ambition (at the same time as an awful lot of fans did the exact same thing - remember green and gold?) but that's crap. The abuse he gets now is mainly because he's a lightning rod for all the hurt feelings that come with enduring these last three grim seasons. Yes he's playing badly, yes he's probably finished but he's done nothing to justify the recent surge in hatred other than deteriorate as a footballer, having run himself into the ground as a key player during an extremely successful period for this club. Which is a damn shame but hey, football fans love a scapegoat and he fits the bill perfectly.
Again, agreed. He's obviously going to think he's only suffering a temporary blip. That's human nature.
The evidence shows that you can indeed play in all positions. But so can I, it does not mean I am going to be any good though. You have been a great player for us since signing from Everton, but the way life goes is people get slower and lose speed with age. And there comes a time when it is best to retire. I think that time has come for you, best to do it in style."I feel I can play in all positions".
Interesting, I've never considered Rooney benefitting from in terms of image rights. I do believe the club would benefit massively from Rooney overtaking Charlton though. Without wanting to sound like a tosser, Charlton won't be around the club forever and the club will need someone else to parade as the clubs top goal scorer.
The way things are going, Rashford might get the record before Rooney.
Yeah, I didn't want to say that about Bobby but you're right.
Listen, I don't mind Rooney and never have, but he's got to drop to the bench.
And btw, what do people expect him to say? Yes I'm shit and shouldn't play?
And btw, what do people expect him to say? Yes I'm shit and shouldn't play?
Fergie already had, though i take your point, but to sign off a deal that says he must play no matter how crap he is would be stupid beyond stupid, and it's really hard to believe, but dark forces are work just now, so it does make you wonder.
If rashford plays 12 years for us then I can see him beating the record.
He doesn't, in truth. Look at how two recent United players were treated: Rio (who was here as long as Rooney has been), told he was gone in a bloody changing-room, and his merited testimonial turned into the 'Hard-working Moyes Roadshow'; RVP (who in his very first season made the claims of Rooney being world class look like idiocy), not even a 'thanks & good luck' on the club's Twitter account; yet this forum isn't full of butthurt delusionists whining that those two players should still be playing here, let alone as captains.
Rooney's been the main man for a fading United and a tedious England while being made captain of both by desperate managers who should never have got the jobs. He hasn't a single international honour at any level, and has fewer CL medals than his own boss. No Ballon d'Or wins, gone no further than QF stages in international tournaments, no PL top-scorer awards, and seemingly only turns on the form in televised showpiece matches or when the opposition is pitiable. Meanwhile, there's the standard shocking & surprising appearance of several newspaper articles tonight claiming that yesterday's man José Mourinho - winner of 23 club honours as opposed to Rooney's 14 - is no longer innovative...this from the same writers who told us that Wenger was Picasso and Ché combined with Mary Berry because the Gunners manager replaced pie n' chips with pasta. I could go on for hours and I probably will but...Rooney has had it ridiculously easy on the criticism front for years; even I've been restrained (surprising, considering that I'm 'insane', 'borderline mentally ill' and 'bitter').
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Deluded
Tbf he'd be better saying nothing and just start playing at the required level.
All the 'I think I can play anywhere', or 'I'm working hard' crap just winds people up.
He obviously isn't trying to be shit, but I think the reason people are angry is because he's getting in the way of us recovering for his own gain. Obviously if you were in that position you wouldn't be asking to be sold for a massive wage drop either, but I think paying fans have a right to be pissed off too.
Edit: Also the leaks that many believe to be him.
We know this wont happen.
What about if we give Bobby a few games to see if he can hang on to this sodding record?
I want to be fair to the both of them.
I want to be fair to the both of them.
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This.
Agree with this. Rooney can run but he can't hide, as a great man once said (Ric Flair).
The clamour will continue until Rooney either improves or gets dropped. As fans we win either way
Hopefully he posts in the hardest person on redcafe thread and takes the fecker out.
We have another one guys.
What's that from?
Yes.
It's one thing dropping him but until we drop him AND convincingly hammer some team in his absence then he will always work his way back into the team.
We need to drop him and then thump someone about 5-0 then the big questions will get asked
We need to drop him and then thump someone about 5-0 then the big questions will get asked
Relax Steve, I can imagine you wrote that with steam coming out your ears and all within a couple of mins! At least we don't have to feel like traitors to the club anymore by calling him out.
With the greatest respect, Wayne Rooney has been a fantastic player for United, as have Denis Law, George Best, Eric Cantona, Bobby Charlton, and too many more to mention. But the time came for all of the great players of the past when it was right to retire, or move on. Rooney has a spot amongst those names for what he has achieved here at United. But in my opinion I think his time to retire came at the end of 2014. He has had some good scenes even since then. I would point out the FA Cup last season which we would no doubt have lost if it was not for his late run to create that goal. But all good things come to an end, and Rooney is not as sharp as he used to be. But he still deserves respect from every United fan.
He plays on the left
he plays on the right
that boy Rooney
makes England look shite
he plays on the right
that boy Rooney
makes England look shite
Bobby would of put that chance away last night.
I dont think Rio was treated well either. there've been loads of players not treated well by the club. VP was only here a few seasons so thats a bit different. Rooney has been a great servant to united. my only point is he's giving it his all. he's not giving up. he's desperate to make it right. I'm not saying thats good enough to warrant a first team place. only that he maybe doesnt deserve the absolute hatred I'm seeing from some fans. Maybe I'm deluded to have some sympathy for him but I just feel this is getting too ugly on a player thats given so much and is basically just suffering a decline. We can all see he's not performing. As I said the manager is now responsible for handling this. and removing Rooney from the line up until this finds its own end is the first step
It's more than that though. Not only is he immune to criticism and untouchable, he's completely arrogant and lacks any sort of self awareness.
As a fan, it's hard enough to watch the team go through tough times but when there is one player central to that who is not accountable for his own performances it wears thin very quickly.
For England after an appalling performance against Iceland he was more than happy to say that he took it upon himself to defy Roy's tactics including taking over corner duty from Kane (Rooney hasn't notched an assist himself from corners for 80 odd games).
Big Sam told him to play up front, Wayne played where he liked. Who is he to be told tactics by a manager?
Despite being the captain that shall always play and having total loyalty from Van Gaal he was more than happy to talk about how stifling his tactics were and when he finally hit a bit of form he was telling reporters it's because he was renegading on Van Gaal's instructions and playing more direct.
When asked if he has anything to prove his answer was a resounding "no."
How difficult is it really to man up a bit and take some responsibility?
"I'm disappointed with my form at the minute and realise it's got to improve."
"I play for Manchester United and England, of course I have to prove myself every day or one of the younger lads will have my spot."
It's no surprise we have no guilt in calling him out on his bullshit. He's living in Wayne's World surrounded by yes men too afraid of upsetting the institution that is Wayne Rooney. A young Rooney would have got angry and put his energy into proving himself. This one is happy to brush it off and let all his mates in the media do the talking for him. He's earned it. 12 years at United and you get a free pass. That's how it worked under Fergie, he was happy to watch Giggs and Scholes drop their levels and play them on all the good will they'd earned.
yep we always as fans have a right to protest things we dont think are right with the club. Either way this will end soon. he will either dramatically return to form or he will be dropped and that will most likely lead to him leaving. we will all get a result soon enough
I know you like to write fiction but not sure this is the best forum to stretch your wings...
Scholes and Giggs were never, ever as poor as the current Rooney. In fact, you could probably bring the two of them back now and they'd outperform him.
No I know, so if he has to play just do it and then vanish, I personally don't want to read a single quote from him, or watch another red faced, sweat ridden, nit scratching interview, saying the same recycled shite he always says.
Excellent post.
If United wish to progress then we need to drop Wayne Rooney, he is too slow and he slows down almost every attack. Nothing against Wayne, but his time has passed. I wish him well.
He must be feeling the burn to make an appearance on MUTV like that.