InfiniteBoredom
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We can judge individuals on their own merits, doesn't make the institutions they belong to any less insidious.
Are institutions not almost insidious and corrupt by default?We can judge individuals on their own merits, doesn't make the institutions they belong to any less insidious.
Doesn't entitle it to claim moral absolutism over 20% of the world population and beyond.Are institutions not almost insidious and corrupt by default?
Is there an organisation as far reaching that isn't involved in some heinous shit?
There's no preaching or evangelising from the people I work with, that's not what it's all about. It's what we call a "work of mercy" - feeding the hungry. It's an end in itself. Funnily enough, the people we help often say "God bless you" to us. Some may be Catholics, many aren't. We're just a point of contact where people know they'll be helped.I'm not calling Penna a liar as I don't know the poster and all that stuff, but I've never witnessed a church or clergy member not proselytize when doing/having done good deeds. There's always a catch 22 with religious persons/groups, especially Christians in the US and/or the churches.
I don't think you have any option other than gunning down all the religious people you know.I have a serious distrust of anybody religious regardless of their religion, I'd call myself a militant atheist, I've no problem telling anybody religious that I think they're absolutely bat-shit crazy. I've started questioning their motives in day to day life and I guess it's getting worse; to the point where I'm asking myself would I rather by on a plane being flown by a religious person or an atheist, would I rather my doctor was religious or an atheist (my girlfriend's doctor is religious and at her surgery they can abstain from prescribing certain treatments), would I rather my child was being taught by someone religious or an atheist, and so on and so on.
Ultimately I'm asking myself who would I trust more to save my life in any given situation, the atheist who understands the value of life and how precious it is and lives for today or the religious nutter who's living for someone else and a supposed afterlife and whose actions (albeit good) are driven be the selfish need to impress some non-entity so they ultimately get rewarded for them.
This is getting worse for me given so many people are religious around me, I'm always questioning their motives, day to day, even at work, at the supermarket (I'd always visit the checkout being manned by someone who wasn't wearing a religious symbol e.g. a crucifix). Perhaps I'm bat-shit crazy too.
Edit, this made me laugh: http://thesciencepost.com/new-law-m...-nurses-to-refuse-care-to-religious-patients/
I think you're right, like some sort of crusade or holy war?I don't think you have any option other than gunning down all the religious people you know.
I didn't say its fine for it to be corrupt, just that i almost expect it from an organisation with that much influence.Doesn't entitle it to claim moral absolutism over 20% of the world population and beyond.
And we are falling into the trap of relativism going down that road I.e all are corrupted, hence its fine for religious institutions. Except that the latter serve for no practical purposes that can't be performed by secular ones.
You quite impressively sound like a nutter yourself there.I have a serious distrust of anybody religious regardless of their religion, I'd call myself a militant atheist, I've no problem telling anybody religious that I think they're absolutely bat-shit crazy. I've started questioning their motives in day to day life and I guess it's getting worse; to the point where I'm asking myself would I rather by on a plane being flown by a religious person or an atheist, would I rather my doctor was religious or an atheist (my girlfriend's doctor is religious and at her surgery they can abstain from prescribing certain treatments), would I rather my child was being taught by someone religious or an atheist, and so on and so on.
Ultimately I'm asking myself who would I trust more to save my life in any given situation, the atheist who understands the value of life and how precious it is and lives for today or the religious nutter who's living for someone else and a supposed afterlife and whose actions (albeit good) are driven be the selfish need to impress some non-entity so they ultimately get rewarded for them.
This is getting worse for me given so many people are religious around me, I'm always questioning their motives, day to day, even at work, at the supermarket (I'd always visit the checkout being manned by someone who wasn't wearing a religious symbol e.g. a crucifix). Perhaps I'm bat-shit crazy too.
Edit, this made me laugh: http://thesciencepost.com/new-law-m...-nurses-to-refuse-care-to-religious-patients/
Classic overdosed on atheism.You quite impressively sound like a nutter yourself there.
You're discriminating based on religion though. Which you justify by assuming 'religious people are all wrong and atheists are ultimately correct'. And I'm an atheist but atheists can be more immoral than 'believers'.I have a serious distrust of anybody religious regardless of their religion, I'd call myself a militant atheist, I've no problem telling anybody religious that I think they're absolutely bat-shit crazy. I've started questioning their motives in day to day life and I guess it's getting worse; to the point where I'm asking myself would I rather by on a plane being flown by a religious person or an atheist, would I rather my doctor was religious or an atheist (my girlfriend's doctor is religious and at her surgery they can abstain from prescribing certain treatments), would I rather my child was being taught by someone religious or an atheist, and so on and so on.
Ultimately I'm asking myself who would I trust more to save my life in any given situation, the atheist who understands the value of life and how precious it is and lives for today or the religious nutter who's living for someone else and a supposed afterlife and whose actions (albeit good) are driven be the selfish need to impress some non-entity so they ultimately get rewarded for them.
This is getting worse for me given so many people are religious around me, I'm always questioning their motives, day to day, even at work, at the supermarket (I'd always visit the checkout being manned by someone who wasn't wearing a religious symbol e.g. a crucifix). Perhaps I'm bat-shit crazy too.
Edit, this made me laugh: http://thesciencepost.com/new-law-m...-nurses-to-refuse-care-to-religious-patients/
Yes, parental inference and social pressures.I'm amazed how many churches there are here in this little part of Ohio/WV. My observations of folk however is that most are religious because that's how they were brought up.
Also probably a key component of local communities. In some rural areas where feck all happens I imagine it keeps older people in touch, allows people to meet each other etc.Yes, parental inference and social pressures.
Darwin was not religious in any sense other than that he was raised as so. He was a self declared agnostic:You're discriminating based on religion though. Which you justify by assuming 'religious people are all wrong and atheists are ultimately correct'. And I'm an atheist but atheists can be more immoral than 'believers'.
Plenty of great men and women are religious. Darwin despite his findings was religious. Many women I've had relationships were religious and found solace and comfort from their faith with difficult circumstances. Who really wants to tell them 'sorry love that's a load of shit, you're fecked, there's no hope, now accept it and give up on life'.
I think religion is actually a pretty good defense mechanism.
You're firm in your beliefs that govern how you behave. Sounds like a religion to me. So you're basically super religious.I have a serious distrust of anybody religious regardless of their religion, I'd call myself a militant atheist, I've no problem telling anybody religious that I think they're absolutely bat-shit crazy. I've started questioning their motives in day to day life and I guess it's getting worse; to the point where I'm asking myself would I rather by on a plane being flown by a religious person or an atheist, would I rather my doctor was religious or an atheist (my girlfriend's doctor is religious and at her surgery they can abstain from prescribing certain treatments), would I rather my child was being taught by someone religious or an atheist, and so on and so on.
Ultimately I'm asking myself who would I trust more to save my life in any given situation, the atheist who understands the value of life and how precious it is and lives for today or the religious nutter who's living for someone else and a supposed afterlife and whose actions (albeit good) are driven be the selfish need to impress some non-entity so they ultimately get rewarded for them.
This is getting worse for me given so many people are religious around me, I'm always questioning their motives, day to day, even at work, at the supermarket (I'd always visit the checkout being manned by someone who wasn't wearing a religious symbol e.g. a crucifix). Perhaps I'm bat-shit crazy too.
Edit, this made me laugh: http://thesciencepost.com/new-law-m...-nurses-to-refuse-care-to-religious-patients/
No, he's dogmatically anti-religion - that doesn't make him religious.You're firm in your beliefs that govern how you behave. Sounds like a religion to me. So you're basically super religious.
I have a serious distrust of anybody religious regardless of their religion, I'd call myself a militant atheist, I've no problem telling anybody religious that I think they're absolutely bat-shit crazy. I've started questioning their motives in day to day life and I guess it's getting worse; to the point where I'm asking myself would I rather by on a plane being flown by a religious person or an atheist, would I rather my doctor was religious or an atheist (my girlfriend's doctor is religious and at her surgery they can abstain from prescribing certain treatments), would I rather my child was being taught by someone religious or an atheist, and so on and so on.
Ultimately I'm asking myself who would I trust more to save my life in any given situation, the atheist who understands the value of life and how precious it is and lives for today or the religious nutter who's living for someone else and a supposed afterlife and whose actions (albeit good) are driven be the selfish need to impress some non-entity so they ultimately get rewarded for them.
This is getting worse for me given so many people are religious around me, I'm always questioning their motives, day to day, even at work, at the supermarket (I'd always visit the checkout being manned by someone who wasn't wearing a religious symbol e.g. a crucifix). Perhaps I'm bat-shit crazy too.
Edit, this made me laugh: http://thesciencepost.com/new-law-m...-nurses-to-refuse-care-to-religious-patients/
On the same token, for a non-believer, wouldn't life be seen as precious because it's all you've got?I am curious, why do you think that atheists know that "life is precious"?
I don't believe in a god, I think we are the products of Evolution, but I can't find any "precious" qualities in the process. It took billions of years of self replicating genes to build intelligent beings (us) who ended up asking questions about the purpose of life. But ultimately, this process doesn't seem to have a goal, so I wouldn't call it "precious".
I'd say I am jealous of religious people. At least, they believe in a purpose that transcends this process of life and death. To them perhaps life is precious because it is just a step to something bigger.
I'm jealous because they can go through life, and see criminals succeeding, and sincerely believe that they will rot in hell. For a non-believer like me, I know that Hitler lived a good life and tortured and killed millions with no punishment.I'd say I am jealous of religious people. At least, they believe in a purpose that transcends this process of life and death. To them perhaps life is precious because it is just a step to something bigger.
I think I know what you want to say, that he lived a good life according to him and his followers. Am I right ?I'm jealous because they can go through life, and see criminals succeeding, and sincerely believe that they will rot in hell. For a non-believer like me, I know that Hitler lived a good life and tortured and killed millions with no punishment.
By good I meant comfortable, not morally good.I think I know what you want to say, that he lived a good life according to him and his followers. Am I right ?
Does that make you feel angry or just ambivalent?For a non-believer like me, I know that Hitler lived a good life and tortured and killed millions with no punishment.
He did have one of balls shot off tbf.I'm jealous because they can go through life, and see criminals succeeding, and sincerely believe that they will rot in hell. For a non-believer like me, I know that Hitler lived a good life and tortured and killed millions with no punishment.
Yeah but it was displayed in the Albert Hall, win win to be fair.He did have one of balls shot off tbf.
Yeah but at least he died cowering in a bunker with the Red Army at his doorstep after watching his "1000 year Reich" crumble after just 5 years of fighting the "racially inferior" Soviets. His last thoughts before biting the capsule and pulling the trigger had to be tortureous.I'm jealous because they can go through life, and see criminals succeeding, and sincerely believe that they will rot in hell. For a non-believer like me, I know that Hitler lived a good life and tortured and killed millions with no punishment.
Agreed. If only it could have been drawn out and extended over a long period of time.Yeah but at least he died cowering in a bunker with the Red Army at his doorstep after watching his "1000 year Reich" crumble after just 5 years of fighting the "racially inferior" Soviets. His last thoughts before biting the capsule and pulling the trigger had to be tortureous.
Very true.Yeah but at least he died cowering in a bunker with the Red Army at his doorstep after watching his "1000 year Reich" crumble after just 5 years of fighting the "racially inferior" Soviets. His last thoughts before biting the capsule and pulling the trigger had to be tortureous.
There is a god after all.He did have one of balls shot off tbf.
If I think about it, angry at Hitler, and a little resentful that there is no heaven and hell. Then I get thankful that they don't exist, because if any religious text is to be believed, I'll probably end up right alongside Hitler.Does that make you feel angry or just ambivalent?
And yet... if he got down on one knee and asked 'god' for forgiveness and given himself to the lord at that point, he'd be in heaven.Yeah but at least he died cowering in a bunker with the Red Army at his doorstep after watching his "1000 year Reich" crumble after just 5 years of fighting the "racially inferior" Soviets. His last thoughts before biting the capsule and pulling the trigger had to be tortureous.
And yet... if he got down on one knee and asked 'god' for forgiveness and given himself to the lord at that point, he'd be in heaven.
Something seriously screwed in that logic
I do very occasionally, but there's not much point (for me). You believe or you don't believe, you have your own journey to faith or away from faith. Sometimes that changes over the course of a lifetime, sometimes people are decided one way or the other all their lives. It's either extremely important to you or of no importance at all.Is there anyone who is actually religious posting in this thread or are they all scared away?
What's stopping anyone from doing that here ?This is a "Religion - what's the point" thread. So basically a thread for atheists and non-believers. Hardly 'any point' posting in this thread if minds have already been made up. What we need is a "The Religion" (not the poster, he's a twat ) thread where we can discuss, er, all the religions.