Eden Hazard 16/17 Performances

[D2Z]

I'd take any one of those over hazard. I don't play FIFA either

You're criminally underrating Hazard. The only one above his level on that list are Messi, CR7, Suarez and arguably Neymar. If I had to take Neymar or Hazard on top form, it would be Eden.
Everyone else is either on his level or below him.

I dislike Eden for what happened when he joined Chelsea, but lets not put on red tinted specs mate. He is an amazing player.

 

[VorZakone]

You're criminally underrating Hazard. The only one above his level on that list are Messi, CR7, Suarez and arguably Neymar. If I had to take Neymar or Hazard on top form, it would be Eden.
Everyone else is either on his level or below him.

I dislike Eden for what happened when he joined Chelsea, but lets not put on red tinted specs mate. He is an amazing player.

Why would you take Hazard over Neymar? Neymar has been scoring more than Hazard, has shown more mature performances than Hazard in the CL and has outshone Hazard with national team performances too.

 

[BlueCelery]

You're insane if you think Diego Godin is a better player than Eden Hazard. That's just remarkably wrong, not only is he a system player that looks good because of Atletico's tactics but he's not even been that good this season.

The Alaba shout is even crazier. What in the hell are you people smoking? You didn't even say Marcelo.

Robben, Iniesta etc you lads call Hazard inconsistent & then name those two.

Iniesta literally has 1 goal & 6 assists in 3 seasons.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

It's really a minor point, but have you watched Alaba for Bayern and Austria over the past 18 months or so?

Meant Alaba over the past 3-4 seasons, but no I haven't watched him much the past year or so and when I did, he's not as impressive as he was. So I suppose my point re: Alaba is worsened.

Stand by what I said on Godin though.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

You're insane if you think Diego Godin is a better player than Eden Hazard. That's just remarkably season, not only is he a system player that looks good because of Atletico's tactics but he's not even been that good this season.

The Alaba shout is even crazier. What in the hell are you people smoking? You didn't even say Marcelo.

So are we disregarding Hazard's poor season last season then?

He was the reigning PFA Player of the Year and had a terrible season. Some Chelsea fans wanted him sold. Pretty sure there were a few on here who said the same.

 

[Cascarino]

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Iniesta literally has 1 goal & 6 assists in 3 seasons.

Not that I don't agree with your post as a whole, but weren't you just criticising people for judging players on numbers

 

[BlueCelery]

Not that I don't agree with your post as a whole, but weren't you just criticising people for judging players on numbers

That's my point. These guys only use numbers when it suits them.

Some poster was just criticizing Hazard's goal record because Neymar apparently scores "way more" despite the former literally having double his goals this season.

 

[BlueCelery]

So are we disregarding Hazard's poor season last season then?

He was the reigning PFA Player of the Year and had a terrible season. Some Chelsea fans wanted him sold. Pretty sure there were a few on here who said the same.

He
Was
Injured

 

[Francoruud]

Overall? Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Iniesta, Modric, Lewandowski, De Gea, Neuer, Griezmann, Godin, Sanchez(Depending on form), Robben(Depending on injuries etc), Alaba.

Then you've got players who could overtake him in a few years - Dybala, Martial, Mbappe, Dembele, Coman, to name a few.

Hazard has the potential to be in discussion for best in the world but I feel like he has to add goals to his game. A player with his ability and directness should be scoring more imo.

What?? The fact that you've listed all this players and not mentioned Hazard is mind boggling. Robben? Iniesta? Alaba? You've even snuck in Dybala and Martial (who can't even get off the bench). Come on mate

And how have Iniesta's stats looked over the past 2 or 3 seasons? Since we're so concerned about stats. This is reaching here. As has been mentioned, only Messi, Neymar, Suarez and Ronaldo are unquestionably better than Hazard. Every other mention is either arguable or ridiculous.

 

[BlueCelery]

The only players in the world that I would accept is unequivocally better than Hazard is Messi. He's on the same level as Neymar, Suarez & Ronaldo. Better than everyone else.

So you can imagine my shock when posters on here think Godin & David fecking Alaba are better.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

The only players in the world that I would accept is unequivocally better than Hazard is Messi. He's on the same level as Neymar, Suarez & Ronaldo. Better than everyone else.

So you can imagine my shock when posters on here think Godin & David fecking Alaba are better.

How is he on the same level as Neymar, Suarez and Ronaldo when he's not performed in the CL?

I don't think anyone on here thinks he's on that level.

Re: His injury last season. Was it really that bad? Think it's being used as an excuse for his poor season.

 

[salford_]

10 players in general? Messi, Cristiano, Dracula, Neymar, Bale, Griezmann, Diego Costa, Lewandowski, Robben, Modric, Iniesta, Higuain, Dybala, Naingolann, Vidal, De Bruyne, Sanchez

On current season performances? Maybe he cracks the top 10 actually.

De Bruyne, Nainggolan, Higuain, Vidal for a start are not better than Hazard, absolutely no way IMO. Said it before, if Zidane reckons hes world class and one of the best on the planet, thats good enough for anyone.

I dont think there is a team in the world he doesnt get in. I personally prefer him to Neymar, but Barca wont drop him as hes a poster boy for them so Barca probably the only side

 

[432JuanMata]

Hazard is so underrated on here. Imagine him on the left for us.
Also Alaba and Godin better than him

 

[Wishe]

The only players in the world that I would accept is unequivocally better than Hazard is Messi. He's on the same level as Neymar, Suarez & Ronaldo. Better than everyone else.

So you can imagine my shock when posters on here think Godin & David fecking Alaba are better.

On the same level as Ronaldo? You have got to be kidding me? The guy has a weak mentality and will never be at that level. He is more on the level of De Bruyne, Mane, Coutinho. Which is not bad, top top player. But nowhere near ballon d'or level.

 

[ForlansHair]

I've always been a bit meh towards Hazard. He's clearly a good player but he's a level or two below the very top.

To put it into perspective, I don't feel he's surpassed what Nani achieved in his first 5 years in English football. Nani has obviously fallen off a cliff since but his 10/11 season tops anything that Hazard has produced.

 

[Womp]

What?? The fact that you've listed all this players and not mentioned Hazard is mind boggling. Robben? Iniesta? Alaba? You've even snuck in Dybala and Martial (who can't even get off the bench). Come on mate

And how have Iniesta's stats looked over the past 2 or 3 seasons? Since we're so concerned about stats. This is reaching here. As has been mentioned, only Messi, Neymar, Suarez and Ronaldo are unquestionably better than Hazard. Every other mention is either arguable or ridiculous.

Did you even read my post, I said Dybala and Martial were players whose ceilings could be higher than Hazard, didn't say they were currently better. I even bolded the could ffs. Robben when not plagued by injuries even at his current age is a superior player to Hazard, he's done it in the Champions League, Hazard hasn't. Alaba when on form is probably the most complete defender there is and the best LB around. He's been struggling this season but if we were to use Hazard's last season as an illustration of his ability, he would have struggled to make it into some mid table teams. He was absolutely woeful.

Iniesta's stats aren't relevant because he's a central midfielder for one and he isn't in the conversation for BPITW, which is what I was referring to. I've already mentioned Hazard is one of the best in the world, but without adding more goals to his game, he won't ever be in the conversation for Ballon D'or is all imo.

 

[Womp]

Godin has been involved in a team who has managed to make 2 CL finals and won the La Liga, being their best defender and a vital cog whilst doing so. I think people are criminally underrating how good he's been for them, has been the best defender in the world for me the past few seasons.

Hazard was a main reason as to why his team isn't even competing in the CL this year. Has been underwhelming internationally, being outshone by KDB for his national team on more occasions than one despite being the more talented of the two and has done nothing in the CL.

 

[UsualSuspect]

That's my point. These guys only use numbers when it suits them.

Some poster was just criticizing Hazard's goal record because Neymar apparently scores "way more" despite the former literally having double his goals this season.

Correct. When people bring up numbers I always bring up Iniesta - my favourite non-chelsea attacking midfielder of the last decade. Like Hazard, his technique and vision alone made his team a frightening prospect. Hazard does not have to dribble past 3 and score to be influential. And if he wasn't in a counter-attacking side, his performances would probably be more 'visible' for those who don't watch him week-in-week-out.

 

[D2Z]

Why would you take Hazard over Neymar? Neymar has been scoring more than Hazard, has shown more mature performances than Hazard in the CL and has outshone Hazard with national team performances too.

At their highest peak definitely Hazard. He is more majestic to watch.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

At their highest peak definitely Hazard. He is more majestic to watch.

More majestic to watch is subjective.

Objectively, Neymar has a reached a level Hazard hasn't yet.

 

[Orc]

More majestic to watch is subjective.

Objectively, Neymar has a reached a level Hazard hasn't yet.

That may be true, but he also plays in (arguably) the best team in the world surrounded by about 4-5 of the greatest players in the world. In a league where they effortlessly destroy the other sides.

Hazard would be unstoppable on Barca's left side where Neymar plays. Remember, Eden is often double marked by most sides we play against and is kicked to shreds (most fouled player in the league once again) and still looks unplayable at times. If he played for Barca where teams have to concentrate on Messi and Suarez, Hazard would have so much space and would put up huge stats just like Neymar does.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

That may be true, but he also plays in (arguably) the best team in the world surrounded by about 4-5 of the greatest players in the world. In a league where they effortlessly destroy the other sides.

Hazard would be unstoppable on Barca's left side where Neymar plays. Remember, Eden is often double marked by most sides we play against and is kicked to shreds (most fouled player in the league once again) and still looks unplayable at times. If he played for Barca where teams have to concentrate on Messi and Suarez, Hazard would have so much space and would put up huge stats just like Neymar does.

Fair points, but Neymar is arguably better for Brazil than Barcelona. Neymar's performed better in the CL, Internationally and arguably league-wise as well.

Hazard has ways to go to reach that level of performance. And I'm not even a Hazard "hater" or anything. I've always been his fan and consider him the most dangerous player in the Premier League on his day, but he should be better considering the talent he has.

 

[Womp]

That may be true, but he also plays in (arguably) the best team in the world surrounded by about 4-5 of the greatest players in the world. In a league where they effortlessly destroy the other sides.

Hazard would be unstoppable on Barca's left side where Neymar plays. Remember, Eden is often double marked by most sides we play against and is kicked to shreds (most fouled player in the league once again) and still looks unplayable at times. If he played for Barca where teams have to concentrate on Messi and Suarez, Hazard would have so much space and would put up huge stats just like Neymar does.

That's an injustice to Neymar imo. Messi was out injured for that long period last season and Neymar stepped up and was Barcelona's most dangerous player during that period - still getting unbelievable stats.

He's also been better for his National team than Hazard has. As immensely talented as Hazard is I feel like he hasn't really improved certain aspects of his game that he needed to these past few years to go to the next level.

He still generally blows hot and cold for example, he doesn't influence a game through end product as much as the world's other top footballers. He's a top player and a great playmaker but he should be dominating games more often than he does imo.

 

[BlueCelery]

How is he on the same level as Neymar, Suarez and Ronaldo when he's not performed in the CL?

Performed in the CL? What did Suarez do in Europe before he joined Barcelona?

Ignoring the fact he's played for overly defensive Chelsea teams throughout his time here which hinders any offensive player, you ignore the fact he's been injured in 2/4 campaigns here. Against Atletico in 2014 and PSG last season. The only other big game he's played in the CL back in 2015 he played well in and scored. Not his fault Cahill & Terry marked each other on a set piece against 10 men.

Re: His injury last season. Was it really that bad? Think it's being used as an excuse for his poor season.

What do you mean was it really bad? It was a reoccurring hip injury that severely impacted his movement & explosiveness. Jose forced him to play because he was literally our system & his job was on the line.

It was only after we got knocked out against PSG that he was finally given ample time to recover from it & he was quickly back to his old best-player-in-the-league self





He followed that up with an exceptional Euros in a dysfunctional team coached by an incompetent manager.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

That's an injustice to Neymar imo. Messi was out injured for that long period last season and Neymar stepped up and was Barcelona's most dangerous player during that period - still getting unbelievable stats.

He's also been better for his National team than Hazard has. As immensely talented as Hazard is I feel like he hasn't really improved certain aspects of his game that he needed to these past few years to go to the next level.

He still generally blows hot and cold for example, he doesn't influence a game through end product as much as the world's other top footballers. He's a top player and a great playmaker but he should be dominating games more often than he does imo.

Yes I completely forgot about that period when Messi was out. Silly me. Always consider that Neymar's best period of form at Barcelona.

That's what I was referring to earlier re: Hazard not reaching Neymar's level. Neymar was the best player in the world during that period and assumed Messi's creative responsibility while scoring more himself. His influence on every game was superb.

Hazard's never reached that level.

 

[BlueCelery]

On the same level as Ronaldo? You have got to be kidding me? The guy has a weak mentality and will never be at that level. He is more on the level of De Bruyne, Mane, Coutinho. Which is not bad, top top player. But nowhere near ballon d'or level.

I'd actually take him over current Ronaldo who's finished but I was being respectful. I don't think Ronaldo's a Top 10 player anymore.

 

[BlueCelery]

Hazard is so underrated on here. Imagine him on the left for us.
Also Alaba and Godin better than him

Yeah someone on this very page. Actually compared him to Nani & claimed he's never reached his heights.

 

[D2Z]

More majestic to watch is subjective.

Objectively, Neymar has a reached a level Hazard hasn't yet.

I disagree. If Hazard had Barcelonas team he would have a lot better stats. Hazards peak is higher then Neymar for me. People underestimate how much Hazard gets fouled. He constantly has at least 2 people on him, while Neymar has freedom in Barcelona.

To add on top, an inform Hazard is the epitome of the beautiful game.

 

[BlueCelery]

Hazard & Neymar are my two favourite players in football at the moment & in my opinion, the two best after Messi. I think they're on the same level, can't go wrong with either of them.

 

[legolegs]

People underestimate how much Hazard gets fouled. He constantly has at least 2 people on him, while Neymar has freedom in Barcelona.

Neymar has been the leagues most fouled player by far this season and last. Actually he's the most fouled player in all 4 top leagues at the moment. I know he goes down a bit easier than many players (and different leagues have different standards) but the difference to the rest is massive and it's not like he's just diving. He gets kicked every game.

 

[Ali Dia]

We'd never get hazard but could possibly get Neymar at some stage paying a monster sum of money (and even then being massively optimistic!)
Either of them would massively improve us. That's the level martial has to aspire to get to with us and he's some way off! If I had to pick one of the two I'd maybe pick hazard just because we've all seen him win games for his team consistently in the PL. Neymar may not adapt that fast etc. I couldn't really pick between the two this season tbh

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

I rate Hazard over Sanchez, Aguero, Coutinho currently but he hasnt shown what Neymar has for country. In fact Belgium has arguably been the most disappointing NT last two big tournaments with Hazard underachieving with a stacked team.

 

[Synco]

I rate Hazard over Sanchez, Aguero, Coutinho currently but he hasnt shown what Neymar has for country. In fact Belgium has arguably been the most disappointing NT last two big tournaments with Hazard underachieving with a stacked team.

Fully agree with everything in the the first sentence, but the second one is leaving out the most important part.

Despite all their talent, Belgium under Wilmots were a truly shit team with zero offensive chemistry. Hazard, De Bruyne (and, if I remember correctly, partly Mertens) did okay regarding the circumstances, but there was only so much they could do. In the EUROs, Hazard was Belgium's main playmaker (not a particularly rewarding task) and in addition had joint third most goal contributions of the tournament (1 goal, 4 assists). In contributions per game he even was joint second, together with Ramsey and Ronaldo (not counting the final).

Hazard has certainly not been able to do for Belgium what Neymar has done for Brazil, that's true. But the notion that he had been their problem in any way is way off the mark.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Fully agree with everything in the the first sentence, but the second one is leaving out the most important part.

Despite all their talent, Belgium under Wilmots were a truly shit team with zero offensive chemistry. Hazard, De Bruyne (and, if I remember correctly, partly Mertens) did okay regarding the circumstances, but there was only so much they could do. In the EUROs, Hazard was Belgium's main playmaker (not a particularly rewarding task) and in addition had joint third most goal contributions of the tournament (1 goal, 4 assists). In contributions per game he even was joint second, together with Ramsey and Ronaldo (not counting the final).

Hazard has certainly not been able to do for Belgium what Neymar has done for Brazil, that's true. But the notion that he had been their problem in any way is way off the mark.

This is a fair comment and I agree. Belgium problems certainly start with their manager and tactics and you're right to highlight that. I also didn't mean to imply he was their "problem" more than just that he hasn't reached the levels Neymar has. I am curious to see how Belgium does at this next world cup. Martinez might be better suited as a NT manager than a club manager and hiring Henry was intriguing for me. I'd like to see them do well in Russia as I always get excited for underdog national teams with a golden generation. But I do think he needs to shine a bit more internationally or at least CL to be on Neymar level.

 

[Francoruud]

I've always been a bit meh towards Hazard. He's clearly a good player but he's a level or two below the very top.

To put it into perspective, I don't feel he's surpassed what Nani achieved in his first 5 years in English football. Nani has obviously fallen off a cliff since but his 10/11 season tops anything that Hazard has produced.

Nani ffs

Just have to accept that this is a United forum and it's virtually impossible for Hazard to get a fair shout here.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Nani ffs

Just have to accept that this is a United forum and it's virtually impossible for Hazard to get a fair shout here.

Nani was incredible that season. Led the league in assists.

It's really not that funny as you think it is.

 

[Francoruud]

Nani was incredible that season. Led the league in assists.

It's really not that funny as you think it is.

Yeah and Arshavin had a similar impact for Arsenal too that same season. Was only 3rd with 11 behind Drogba (13) and Nani (14).

Mata was second in assist the following season too. Led the league in assists in 12/13 as well. You don't see people trying to compare Hazard to Mata.

 

[Womp]

Yeah and Arshavin had a similar impact for Arsenal too that same season. Was only 3rd with 11 behind Drogba (13) and Nani (14).

Mata was second in assist the following season too. Led the league in assists in 12/13 as well. You don't see people trying to compare Hazard to Mata.

You obviously didn't watch Nani that season then. For that 18 month period he was immense. His form drastically fell though.

 

[Francoruud]

You obviously didn't watch Nani that season then. For that 18 month period he was immense. His form drastically fell though.

You mean to tell me Nani was ever considered the best player in the league at any point in his United career? Been watching the league since 97/98 and I think I missed that part.

 

[jungledrums]

No he isn't.

He just is. End of story.