He really doesn't any freedom. They both get constantly hacked.
Eden Hazard 16/17 Performances
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Playing in different eras with different competition, hardly a valid comparison. Besides, I'm not arguing Nani was as good as Hazard, just simply stating his performances in that season hardly make any comparison "laughable". He was almost single handedly winning us points when Rooney wasn't in the team that season.
too inconsistant for my liking, holds onto the ball too long sometimes, doesnt take enough shots.
Can be frustrating to watch "live" because of his moments of brilliance sometimes papering over the cracks of what I mentioned above
Can be frustrating to watch "live" because of his moments of brilliance sometimes papering over the cracks of what I mentioned above
This Nani comparison has to end here & now. Nani was a good servant for United don't get me wrong but Hazard's already one of the greatest players ever to play in England.
You see football legends like Henry, Souness, Zola, Neville, Cruyff, Xavi, Carragher, Zidane, Pele etc constantly waxing lyrical about him all the time then you come on here & he's not on the level of Godin, Alaba & Nani.
Ffs, show some respect lads.
Also, one more thing. Where is this idea he's not a consistent player coming from? We're literally about to stroll to another League title because of his consistency.
You see football legends like Henry, Souness, Zola, Neville, Cruyff, Xavi, Carragher, Zidane, Pele etc constantly waxing lyrical about him all the time then you come on here & he's not on the level of Godin, Alaba & Nani.
Ffs, show some respect lads.
Also, one more thing. Where is this idea he's not a consistent player coming from? We're literally about to stroll to another League title because of his consistency.
Five years ago is hardly a massively different era, though. Nani was great at his best for us and sometimes people forget that, but Hazard's now had two individual seasons where he's largely been considered to be the best player in the league. Nani was one of our best players in 10/11 but he never managed to reach that level. He was a key figure in 10/11 but to say he was 'single-handedly' winning us points negates Berbatov and Hernandez's goals, as well as Vidic's performaces in defence that season. Hazard's comfortably better than Nani.
I'd presume from his 15/16 season, but that was a bit of bizarre year from a Chelsea POV and plenty of top players have bad years anyway. He's consistently been an excellent player for years now.This Nani comparison has to end here & now. Nani was a good servant for United don't get me wrong but Hazard's already one of the greatest players ever to play in England.
You see football legends like Henry, Souness, Zola, Neville, Cruyff, Xavi, Carragher, Zidane, Pele etc constantly waxing lyrical about him all the time then you come on here & he's not on the level of Godin, Alaba & Nani.
Ffs, show some respect lads.
Also, one more thing. Where is this idea he's not a consistent player coming from? We're literally about to stroll to another League title because of his consistency.
No-one is saying Nani is better than Hazard, simply that Nani's 18 month spell wasn't so far from Hazard that it's "laughable" to even discuss. He led the league in assists and scored vital goals to win games, eg. that Chelsea rocket goal amongst others.
Nani? You cant be serious.
He wouldn't be unstoppable, infact he wouldn't fit into the barca attack. He'd frustrate the day lights out of messi and suarez with his poor off the ball movement.
Yeah, I know you didn't write that, but others frequently do. So I kinda lumped that together, but I'm sure I got your actual point. I'm curious too about the WC as Martinez' 3-4-3 looked very good in the games I saw. Much better movement and fluidity, especially with Mertens as a false 9. It also solves the problem that Belgium has too many good centre backs and only one elite full back.
(Not directed at you) Referring to individual performances without considering team issues is just lazy. The tactical environment created by both teams is the most important factor for individual performances after the set of abilities a player has and his fitness. Yet very seldom is it included when discussing how a player fared, which makes the whole argument almost useless. Instead hollow phrases like 'was poor', 'is inconsistent', 'did nothing', 'looks like he doesn't care' are deemed satisfactory explanations.
Now I've heard everything. Hazard's off the ball movement is one of his best traits. He always makes himself available immediately after passing and at a good angle. He's a natural 'passing and movement' player that would blend perfectly into Barca's style. The fact that he never played in a short-passing, possession-based team is one of the reasons why I think his true potential hasn't been unlocked so far.
Agree with the comments above that Neymar gets hacked a lot. The Spanish league certainly isn't soft and despite his antics and his image, he is actually a very brave player.
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Now you've lost all credibility in this subject. Hazard has poor off the ball movement?
I'd take Bale over Hazard, though I can understand the argument for Hazard.
Well I would too if he was a top player from my country
Guilty as chargedWell I would too if he was a top player from my country
It's more about the makeup of the two players though, if I had to choose one to play for Wales and Swansea, teams which lack highly technical players, I think Bale will have more of an impact, whereas in an already very good team, I think I'd choose Hazard. I think with regards to individualistic exploits (even though Hazard certainly has many) Bale will always be quite productive.
I don't think we'd get the same performances from Hazard as we do from Bale in a Wales shirt.
Let's get back to talking about his performances and stop trying to compare him to others, shall we? Nobody's gonna budge from their positions anyways.
I certainly don't agree that Nani, Alaba or Godin are better than Hazard. But I believe that Mhkitaryan is as good as Hazard if not slightly better.
Hazard isn't going to be considered a Messi or Ronaldo type of player because he is too soft, mentally weak, and inconsistent. He was total crap last season (injured or not) and has gone missing for spells in this current campaign too. He has 10 (??) goals in February and sorry but that's not impressive. Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard all scored more goals and none of them played upfront. I think even Malouda scored more for Chelsea, and for sure Mata did. Not saying they are better than Hazard but he sure is over rated. Mhkitaryan on the other hand deserves to be in the discussion, he is better than many players on these lists. His goals are spectacular.
Hazard isn't going to be considered a Messi or Ronaldo type of player because he is too soft, mentally weak, and inconsistent. He was total crap last season (injured or not) and has gone missing for spells in this current campaign too. He has 10 (??) goals in February and sorry but that's not impressive. Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard all scored more goals and none of them played upfront. I think even Malouda scored more for Chelsea, and for sure Mata did. Not saying they are better than Hazard but he sure is over rated. Mhkitaryan on the other hand deserves to be in the discussion, he is better than many players on these lists. His goals are spectacular.
Nani was never considered the best player in the league but he is a hugely under rated player and deserves a much better reputation amongst UTD fans that's for certain.
As Synco just said above, Hazard's off the ball movement is superb and one of his best attributes. Have you watched him much, mate?
It's what makes the Costa/Hazard combo so deadly. They both have excellent movement.
thats poppycock.
He is nowhere near the level of consistancy of a couple seasons back....and that is game by game or over 90 mins.
Sure, there are brilliant moments but he still goes missing time to time.
Strolling to another title is about a team effort.....not one man
He's a weird player. Like he's got everything, produces results fairly consistently but I still feel like there's something just missing. Maybe him being a manlet gives off that impression.
Lovely goal. I really didn't want to like it and just dismiss it as ''crap defending etc.'' but it really was a lovely goal.
Yes, Hazard is bad because he only has scored 10 goals by February, Mkhitaryan is much better! Oh, except Mkhitaryan has scored 3 goals this season. Honestly, where do you get these arguments from?
Hazard has scored 40 fewer career goals than Scholes despite making about half as many appearances. Scholes a better goalscorer? Is this a joke?
Hazard has scored 20 more goals for Chelsea than Malouda did. He's scored just about twice as many for Chelsea as Mata did (65 vs 33).
You're as usual spouting nonsense.
He's one of the most misunderstood players in terms of what he does. It hasn't helped matters that he doesn't get a lot of help from his teammates at times.
His play style fits with the Barcelona tiki taka passing triangles, and no one at Chelsea plays that way save for Pedro, who has his own limitations.
I always chuckle when people bring up Neymar not bevaus Neymar isn't a top player but because he has Messi and Suarez drawing defenders to them, which makes things a lot easier.
Hazard is often double, triple. and on a few occasions quadruple teamed.
The other issue has been the poor passing play of the central midfield of Chelsea, which has forced Hazard to come back to the midline to start an Attack almost akin to a DLP. It's not he can't play DLP but it forces him to play multiple roles.
His play style fits with the Barcelona tiki taka passing triangles, and no one at Chelsea plays that way save for Pedro, who has his own limitations.
I always chuckle when people bring up Neymar not bevaus Neymar isn't a top player but because he has Messi and Suarez drawing defenders to them, which makes things a lot easier.
Hazard is often double, triple. and on a few occasions quadruple teamed.
The other issue has been the poor passing play of the central midfield of Chelsea, which has forced Hazard to come back to the midline to start an Attack almost akin to a DLP. It's not he can't play DLP but it forces him to play multiple roles.
He doesnt compare to Miki, who is only behind Messi and Ronaldo. Easily as good as Suarez.
as I said and you fail to understand...its his inconsistency....suppose you would like to tell me he has been a 8 or 9 out of ten every match, because he hasnt....far from it. Infact he went through a patch a few weeks back of being no better than bang average
He may think he is a better player now and I should hope so as he is still learning.....but yet again, he was more consistent back then and put in more brilliant moments at more regular intervals during matches than he does now. Admittedly, he is now more of a team player and is a lot better at the defensive side of his game which is why I suppose he feels he has improved to become a better player. But its great of him to agree with my thoughts that its the improvement of the team that has improved him especially when it comes to "strolling" to the title as you so arrogantly stated.
Now, I have no idea how many live matches you see of Chelsea, but I can tell he he is brilliant and frustrating during matches.
Will he win player of the year.....I doubt it and he shouldnt even get the award at Chelsea either this season. There are better all round performers there
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Wait so you're saying Mkhi is better? Interesting coming from a Chelsea fan!
Why do you think he rarely gets easy chances? He moves great if he's the one starting the move, but if he isn't he's static. There's a big difference in how he moves off tha ball in moves he's not involved in started to someone like Mkhitaryan for example.Now you've lost all credibility in this subject. Hazard has poor off the ball movement?
Eh!? I think you would be in a very small minority who thinks that. Hazard is on a totally different level to Miki imo. Hazard has the potential to become one of the top 5 players in world football imo. He may already be there.
Guys, that was a joke. Read post #255.
Lol whoops sorry! The thing is, it is similar to some of the total nonsense that does get spouted on these forums on a regular basis lol
He's good at making runs, the rest of the team (bar Fabregas) is pretty average at finding a good ball. If Hazard was on the receiving end of his own playmaking, you would see him on the end of more chances for sure.
That goal against Spurs makes me smile every time. Oh what am I saying, they all do.
He's being sarcastic
Hell of a joke that!
To be fair, he's probably top 25 or something, so it's not so far beyond the realms of possibility that, based on his 15/16 season of brilliance, some may rate him perhaps a little too high.
Superb post. Bravo.
Hazard is undoubtedly a Top 5 player in football for me along with Neymar, Suarez & Modric.
Ronaldo no longer in the Top 5 (I assume Messi is)? Despite being WPOTY? Not to mention Bale, who is also better than Hazard.
I've really enjoyed reading the last 3 pages of this thread! Some absolute gems in there! Nannigolan, nani, Mikitaryn all mentioned , amongst others , as been better than Hazard. I'm not sure what planet some people are on, because bar last seasons freak season, Hazard has been phenomenal for Chelsea and one consistently one of the best players in the league.
The lad is comfortably in that bracket below Messi, IMO. Would have him on a par with the likes of Bale, Modric and probably Neymar and Ronaldo these days.
The lad is comfortably in that bracket below Messi, IMO. Would have him on a par with the likes of Bale, Modric and probably Neymar and Ronaldo these days.
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Quality player. Can't wait until he fecks off to Madrid.