Dier is not homegrown.
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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My comment was to defend the accusation of me being "bizarre" for entertaining the idea that Dier might have had a better season than two United players. It's reasonable to disagree with the position, but it's hardly bizarre. It's not like I was suggesting Dier is a better keeper than de Gea.
Oh.. Well then he doesn't seem to be that interesting
Dier is not qualified as homegrown. He plays for England but is foreigner to homegrown standard. Pogba is homegrown on the other hand. So does Pereira.
You've been rumbled as talking shite.
Note how you didn't respond to the evidence that Pogba and Hererra have both had better seasons than Dier.
Dier would be a big improvement on what we have, don't think it will happen though.
We are shite. Doesn't mean we should lower our standards and aspirations. Dier is average.
Frank. He's not performed better than Hererra or Pogba.
Do you see him in the Carrick role?
You called me bizarre. That's, itself, a bizarre comment.
Your stats are compelling but not full proof given Dier's defensive role so certain statistical comparisons aren't entirely illustrative of Dier's contribution to Spurs' strong season.
A defensive midfielder is what he is, he is a better def mid than Herrera imo. The fact he can slot in CD is a bonus.
Well the stats also included defensive output so make of that what you will.
I think do think it's bizarre (or simply stupid) to say Dier has probably has better seasons than Hererra and Pogba. Especially when advised the stats suggest the absolute opposite and you make out that they are irrelevant.
In the future it is probably best to back up such sweeping statements with some fact?
Hererra has out performed him this season.
He would not displace either Pogba or Hererra but could possibly play as the third man in a 3.
He's also not a better CB than what we have in my opinion.
Did I?
You were outraged at the accusation of you being bizzare, so you made a bizzare comment. That's some logic to follow.
Are you trying to have a bizarre-off with me?
Funny. I think the real wums are the one's saying that he isn't good enough for United. Not good enough for United but good enough for the team in second.
He "doesn't have much to his game" yet he is a great tackler and passer. Take a look at his through balls which he is excellent at and take a look at all the counter attacks he starts by making a tackle and then making a quick incisive pass, something that the United midfield struggles with; moving the ball quickly and making the pass quickly.
He isn't "technical enough for United" yet he's a product of Sporting's academy and his technical ability has always been one of his strong suits since arriving. He has an extremely accurate long ball. He has excellent ball control (take a look at his goal today) and he is also pretty good with dribbling in tight spaces and dribbling past players while keeping the ball under control and retaining posession. He has a very accurate free kick (take a look at his free kick goals).
Dier would be an upgrade on that United midfield and anyone who thinks otherwise is much more of a wum than I am.
You've all been complaining all season about needing a DM to "set Pogba free" but a DM/CB of the team with the best defensive record in the league (and the best defensive record last season) isn't good enough?!
So others in this very thread have suggested that Dier would add value to this United team, especially at the expense of Herrera yet I'm being accused of being bizarre and stupid. And I'm the WUM despite no name calling from me.
Another one who doesn't like stats?
He's an upgrade on the United midfield, the one that beat Spurs convincingly this season.
Statistically Pogba and Hererra are having much better seasons. Check the comparison between the three. Dier could go for the spot occupied by Carrick as it's no secret we are looking to fill this spot in the summer but I would question his passing ability. It could work though.
You didn't say he'd add value. You said he's probably had better seasons than Hererra and Pogba. You've now been shown he hasn't.
I'm not sure what you're struggling with here?
I'm glad you joined this United forum to set us straight. Well done
Why do you think Dier would be an improvement on Herrera or Pogba?
Your goalkeeper is also a part of a team with the best defensive record in the league yet he wouldn't be an upgrade on de Gea.Funny. I think the real wums are the one's saying that he isn't good enough for United. Not good enough for United but good enough for the team in second.
He "doesn't have much to his game" yet he is a great tackler and passer. Take a look at his through balls which he is excellent at and take a look at all the counter attacks he starts by making a tackle and then making a quick incisive pass, something that the United midfield struggles with; moving the ball quickly and making the pass quickly.
He isn't "technical enough for United" yet he's a product of Sporting's academy and his technical ability has always been one of his strong suits since arriving. He has an extremely accurate long ball. He has excellent ball control (take a look at his goal today) and he is also pretty good with dribbling in tight spaces and dribbling past players while keeping the ball under control and retaining posession. He has a very accurate free kick (take a look at his free kick goals).
Dier would be an upgrade on that United midfield and anyone who thinks otherwise is much more of a wum than I am.
You've all been complaining all season about needing a DM to "set Pogba free" but a DM/CB of the team with the best defensive record in the league (and the best defensive record last season) isn't good enough?!
Get it now or still not really?
He is adaptable and is far better than Smalling who literally can't pass and has zero coordination, terrible player.
No one would pretend he said either, he's is what Jose would look for. A guy to break up the play and lay it off, that's all. I mean my god he cost us £3-4m he's not a Worldy he ha a specialised role.
Neither of those 2 would be expected to have a disiplined sitting role.
I already stated he could play a defensive midfield role better than Herrera, who has played there a lot this season. The fact he can cover for defence is a bonus. He is still a young man and could improve us definitely. He wouldn't be my number one choice, I'd love Fabinho personally, but the way some people talk like he is a terrible option seems odd to me.
I've changed my mind a bit regarding his "gettability" for United or anyone else.
The fact that can he perform well in three different positions (DM, right side of back 3, right back in a back four) - and decently in a 4th (CB) - makes him valuable to Spurs. He may not yet be a master of any one trade - DM is his best position IMO - but he's a lot more than a jack in several, which is a big plus when injuries/suspensions bite.
Moreover, his fairly young age (23) means that he'll likely improve further, and his strong bond with Alli is very helpful to team spirit.
Of course if a huge sum is offered then perhaps he'll be sold as he's not as invaluable to the team as some other players, but I still have a feeling that Poch would be very reluctant to see him go.
The fact that can he perform well in three different positions (DM, right side of back 3, right back in a back four) - and decently in a 4th (CB) - makes him valuable to Spurs. He may not yet be a master of any one trade - DM is his best position IMO - but he's a lot more than a jack in several, which is a big plus when injuries/suspensions bite.
Moreover, his fairly young age (23) means that he'll likely improve further, and his strong bond with Alli is very helpful to team spirit.
Of course if a huge sum is offered then perhaps he'll be sold as he's not as invaluable to the team as some other players, but I still have a feeling that Poch would be very reluctant to see him go.
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Furthermore, Lloris may not be an upgrade on De Gea but he's certainly good enough. People are suggesting Dier isn't good enough, when he is. He's a starter for the team with the best defensive record 2 seasons running, remind me again how he's not good enough for United? Shoot, he'd get into your team on the basis that he can score an actual, real life goal
Also, his free kicks stay within England's borders.
Your irrelevant comparison of the two GK's has done nothing to change the fact that Dier would be an upgrade on your midfield. Try again.
Furthermore, Lloris may not be an upgrade on De Gea but he's certainly good enough. People are suggesting Dier isn't good enough, when he is. He's a starter for the team with the best defensive record 2 seasons running, remind me again how he's not good enough for United? Shoot, he'd get into your team on the basis that he can score an actual, real life goal
Also, his free kicks stay within England's borders.
It's only irrelevant becuase you seem to be too thick to understand fallacy in your logic, and oh believe me, calling this twaddle line of amoeba-esque thinking 'logic' is an insult to the word itself. Dier is not an upgrade on either Herrera or Pogba.[
Your irrelevant comparison of the two GK's has done nothing to change the fact that Dier would be an upgrade on your midfield. Try again.
Furthermore, Lloris may not be an upgrade on De Gea but he's certainly good enough. People are suggesting Dier isn't good enough, when he is. He's a starter for the team with the best defensive record 2 seasons running, remind me again how he's not good enough for United? Shoot, he'd get into your team on the basis that he can score an actual, real life goal
Also, his free kicks stay within England's borders.
Did one of Spurs' fans get promoted to scouts recently with the amount of new shite we're asked to put up with? It reminds me of Liverpool's Brendan season when Barney went full mental.
Well said @Kostur
He doesn't have to be an actual like for like replacement for x player to be a good signing. Mourinho is going to sign other players this summer that he may feel that Dier's skill set might compliment better than our existing ones. Being versatile might also be a big reason in that.
He should stay another year with sporting and then he could move for a better team.
I really hope not because we'll end up in the same situation that we seem to be in right now, when our squad players just aren't good enough.
If Dier wants to win an actual real life trophy he'd probably jump at the chance to move to Old Trafford.[
Your irrelevant comparison of the two GK's has done nothing to change the fact that Dier would be an upgrade on your midfield. Try again.
Furthermore, Lloris may not be an upgrade on De Gea but he's certainly good enough. People are suggesting Dier isn't good enough, when he is. He's a starter for the team with the best defensive record 2 seasons running, remind me again how he's not good enough for United? Shoot, he'd get into your team on the basis that he can score an actual, real life goal
Also, his free kicks stay within England's borders.
There is a nice little feature called the "ignore button" if you don't like my posts. Stop throwing a tantrum because you can't provide even one reason as to why or how Dier isn't good enough for United when he is a starter for a team with the best defensive record 2 seasons running and he plays a position which you all agree needs to be upgraded. You can carry on believing that players in teams that have been much better than yours this season aren't good enough for United if it makes you feel better though.
Our first team players aren't good enough at the moment, it's about balance. Do Spurs have a better looking team than us on paper, not really but they are a far better team.
You're failing to understand that your defensive record is not purely down to Eric Dier. I've given you an apt comparison to highlight where your logic falls on it's face, you naturally decline to acknowledge it because you either are not smart enough to understand it or you know you're wrong but you're arguing for the sake of it. Both of our starting midfield players are better than Eric Dier. Carrick is better in his passing role that we mostly rely on from him than Eric Dier. I'll give you a comparison of stats that suggests that Marouane 'Elbows' Fellaini is more useful player than Eric Dier. So even him as a squad player, a role he wouldn't be content with, is quite frankly questionable.
There's only as much I can do, if you're failing to understand the very basic concept that's been highlighted by me 2-3 times when talking to you, there's literally nothing I can do. Yes, our CDM needs to be upgraded but not with Eric Dier, because quite simply he's not good enough. We need real quality to upgrade it so that Herrera becomes the squad player who fights for the place. Not with another player who's not good enough to displace Herrera.
On the flipside, sure, you're higher than us in the table but you're also out of Europa, a competition both teams were in. You haven't won COC, you might still win FA cup but you may as well finish this season with 0 trophies, top 4 being the very paramount of your achievements for the second season running and that's about it. I'd be very cautious with branding your team 'much better than United' because, as far as I'm aware, there are no cups for 2nd, 3rd or even 4th place in this league. Be funny shall we win Europa (which is still possible) and you'll end up with sweet feck all.