Worth it if the rumor is true, the club is tossing away money and making sure shipping squad-players become so much harder in the future if they do stuff like this.Here's an excessive smiley infraction for your highly cerebral efforts.
Worth it if the rumor is true, the club is tossing away money and making sure shipping squad-players become so much harder in the future if they do stuff like this.Here's an excessive smiley infraction for your highly cerebral efforts.
Yeah it is. But to say that's the reason we are 6th is daft in my honest opinion. The reason is mainly because our attacking outlets (Lingard, Martial and Rashford) have let us down massively this season and have contributed next to nothing in goals. So what do we do? Reward Lingard with a horrendous contract that no other club will pay to take him off our hands once Jose eventually gets sick of him.Its obviously a problem. In either case, its clearly not because of Lingard. It takes a total team effort and we have been lacking in the final third. No production from Rooney, and limited input from Martial and Rashford as well.
You're right, our attackers and wingers have been amazing this season. Give them all pay rises.I'm guessing players contributuons are judged by more than just looking up the number of assists on wiki.
But...but...but... he always scores at Wembley!£100k a week for a player who isn't partucularly good at anything....shocking!
We are breaking records again, so yes pay rises all round.You're right, our attackers and wingers have been amazing this season. Give them all pay rises.
We've also hit the post something like 25 times. Extremely unlucky. If only 4-5 of those had gone in, we'd be at or near 2nd right now. There is definitely a bad luck factor to accompany out ineptness in the final third.Yeah it is. But to say that's the reason we are 6th is daft in my honest opinion. The reason is mainly because our attacking outlets (Lingard, Martial and Rashford) have let us down massively this season and have contributed next to nothing in goals. So what do we do? Reward Lingard with a horrendous contract that no other club will pay to take him off our hands once Jose eventually gets sick of him.
Well Fabien Delph started last night in one of City's most important games of the season, so...Does he get in to any of the starting XI's above United? Not anywhere near Chelsea or City's. Spurs or Arsenal either. Doubt he would get in Liverpool's XI.
He looks like a player you'd see starting for Southampton or West Brom, not Man United.
You're right, our attackers and wingers have been amazing this season. Give them all pay rises.
You guys are right. The club should refused to negotiate any contract renewals, unless we're having a great season. What could possibly go wrong with that approach?We are breaking records again, so yes pay rises all round.
I do agree with you that we have bad luck, but that's what tends to happen when your team isn't a main challenger and is struggling.We've also hit the post something like 25 times. Extremely unlucky. If only 4-5 of those had gone in, we'd be at or near 2nd right now. There is definitely a bad luck factor to accompany out ineptness in the final third.
He wouldn't start for neither. He'd probably get in the Sunderland or Swansea team. I'd take Traore ahead of him at Boro.Does he get in to any of the starting XI's above United? Not anywhere near Chelsea or City's. Spurs or Arsenal either. Doubt he would get in Liverpool's XI.
He looks like a player you'd see starting for Southampton or West Brom, not Man United.
Not all players in the squad are starters. He's played less this season than Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan and Rashford.Does he get in to any of the starting XI's above United? Not anywhere near Chelsea or City's. Spurs or Arsenal either. Doubt he would get in Liverpool's XI.
He looks like a player you'd see starting for Southampton or West Brom, not Man United.
Just offer them what they deserve. If this was Lingard gets new 70k a week contract then I'd think fine, and I'm sure the responses in this thread would be much different. 100k puts him over a lot of better players here and at other top 6 clubs and he hasn't really done enough to warrant that. He wouldn't get into most people's best XI and Spurs/Chelsea/City wouldn't go anywhere near him if given the chance. If he threatened to walk unless he got 100k then cheerio, I don't think any fans would blame the club for that.You guys are right. The club should refused to negotiate any contract renewals, unless we're having a great season. What could possibly go wrong with that approach?
We're talking about football here, not the 110m hurdles.He wouldn't start for neither. He'd probably get in the Sunderland or Swansea team. I'd take Traore ahead of him at Boro.
There's absolutely no way he would get in to Liverpools XI over Mane and Coutinho.Does he get in to any of the starting XI's above United? Not anywhere near Chelsea or City's. Spurs or Arsenal either. Doubt he would get in Liverpool's XI.
He looks like a player you'd see starting for Southampton or West Brom, not Man United.
And how exactly do you figure this out?Just offer them what they deserve
Yes because Lingard is known for his amazing technical ability and amazing attacking play. Rather than running around lots.We're talking about football here, not the 110m hurdles.
Agree, but I also think he is way below the quality of squad-player that we should have. Rashford should be a squad-player (for the striker role only), not Lingard.Not all players in the squad are starters. He's played less this season than Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan and Rashford.
Problem is, it now sets a dangerous precedent. The likes of Jones, Smalling etc will now be looking at this and wanting alot more money to be in line.At Manchester United you fail upwards.
Jokes aside happy to keep him as a squad player, even if £100k p/w sounds like an awful lot.
That precedent was set a long time ago. Shaw was given £100k p/w and he was 19.Problem is, it now sets a dangerous precedent. The likes of Jones, Smalling etc will now be looking at this and wanting alot more money to be in line.
Ok, fair enough. I honestly don't know enough about salaries to know whether 100k/week is outrageous and 70k is fine. I stopped keeping track once Rooney was on 200k plus! If that's the going rate for a squad player at United, then fair enough, it's what he deserves. Considering his age, this might well be the highest salary he negotiates with the club so can't blame him for looking to get as much as possible. From the club's perspective, he's more valuable than most because he helps fulfil the homegrown quota.Just offer them what they deserve. If this was Lingard gets new 70k a week contract then I'd think fine, and I'm sure the responses in this thread would be much different. 100k puts him over a lot of better players here and at other top 6 clubs and he hasn't really done enough to warrant that. He wouldn't get into most people's best XI and Spurs/Chelsea/City wouldn't go anywhere near him if given the chance. If he threatened to walk unless he got 100k then cheerio, I don't think any fans would blame the club for that.
So 100k a week for a benchwarmer/League Cup player? Insane.Not all players in the squad are starters. He's played less this season than Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan and Rashford.
I think our management have been very responsible. Just in the past three months we've reduced our wage bill by 410k/wk by ditching Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, and Depay. That could grow to an additional 370k/wk this summer if we sell Rooney and Young, and an additional 200k/wk if Zlatan decides to leave. That's nearly a potential £1m/wk off the books in a 6 month period. Very responsible and effective at re-balancing the books into a group of players Mourinho wants for next year.Naivety and gullibility on this forum is quite funny to be honest don't people realise according to press this is Lingard's third renewal in past 6 months first it was done at 50000 pw and now it has jumped to 10000 pw by the the time if actual renewal does occur he might become United's highest earner.
Our management has been bit reckless in last few season's when it comes to transfer fees and wages but I believe we might be becoming bit more responsible and looking for better value for our money by the way we held out for own valuations while selling Schneiderlin and Depay. So at least for me it's a non story .
Whatever your opinion on the players' salaries, the club is run by people who know exactly what we can pay in wages as a percentage of turnover. It's run by accountants, financial experts and businessmen, so your assertion that they're amateurs is ludicrous.It has nothing to do with jealousy. The problem is that we have the team with the biggest wages in the world, while they produce mediocrity year after year. In this particular case 100k for a squad player is pure madness. This club is being managed by total amateurs.
I think he's a good squaddie with potential to improve further. Could be right on the second part, one reason behind the new contract for sure. Cheaper than buying new English players.Agree, but I also think he is way below the quality of squad-player that we should have. Rashford should be a squad-player (for the striker role only), not Lingard.
That said, I think part of the reason we're paying him so well is that he's a youth-player and if we are going to ship either of Jones/Smalling/Rooney and Carrick calling it quits anytime soon, we need to keep some still for the quota.
As any other sane business...By looking at the going market rate for a similar contribution? I'm sure there would be plenty of examples out there of players with 1 goal and few assists in the EPL to look into.And how exactly do you figure this out?
He's pretty good at it and will only get better. I'd prefer we invested in a local lad who has been at the club since he was a little kid and who will only improve exponentially as he enters his prime career years over some battery operated pinball.Yes because Lingard is known for his amazing technical ability and amazing attacking play. Rather than running around lots.
Well we've paid more than that for Young for years. To me there's a status or two between a "starter" and a "benchwarmer". Have never seen a 11-player squad win anything.So 100k a week for a benchwarmer/League Cup player? Insane.
Shaw was coming in as one of the most sought after LB's and he was coming in to be the starter. Big difference in my opinion.That precedent was set a long time ago. Shaw was given £100k p/w and he was 19.
I think he is below the squad-standard we should have (I see him as around Cleverley's level), but I suppose it's fair to say that we have more troubling positions in the main eleven that needs sorting before the squaddies needs upgrading, so I suppose I'm not against this, even though i find the rumored wages to be laughably high.I think he's a good squaddie with potential to improve further. Could be right on the second part, one reason behind the new contract for sure. Cheaper than buying new English players.