Should DDG start in the EL final?

[Ixion]

Is there a problem ?

Yeah, Romero isn't on par with De Gea. That's not even remotely debatable. He's played against a bunch of midtable sides, De Gea is one of the top three keepers in the world. There is literally no way to justify Romero being as good as him.

 

[Raoul]

Yeah, Romero isn't on par with De Gea. That's not even remotely debatable. He's played against a bunch of midtable sides, De Gea is one of the top three keepers in the world. There is literally no way to justify Romero being as good as him.

Everything is debatable. Living off the fumes of the past is no way to discuss how both have fared THIS year.

 

[Ixion]

Everything is debatable. Living off the fumes of the past is no way to discuss how both have fared THIS year.

De Gea was voted the best keeper in the PL THIS YEAR. Literally every side in the world would take him off us.

 

[pghcc]

Given that Calamity Jones is back in training, this discussion is a little bit premature IMO.

 

[Raoul]

De Gea was voted the best keeper in the PL THIS YEAR. Literally every side in the world would take him off us.

He's deserving of that. Has nothing to do with Romero's performances.

 

[Look-a-Hill]

If we're talking about who deserves what, Dave deserves to win a European trophy with United more than anyone in the side after all he's bailed us out of in recent years.

 

[AXVnee7]

Why would players do a mutiny if Mourinho plays his best keeper in the most important match of the season? Are they stupid?

I have no idea who Mourinho rates higher, to be fair. He is playing Romero in the more important competition and De Gea in the dead rubbers. At this stage, it makes no fecking sense.

I wasn't talking about this one incident particularly - was more in general.

I agree with some of the stuff Jose does, I don't agree with some of the stuff he does. Like I said I'm happy whoever starts in the final either way. There are more pressing selection concerns for me, and our potential set up worries me a lot more. It might be true that DDG has his head turned by Madrid. I wouldn't be surprised. A 3rd CL final since and including 2014, that's an amazing achievement and we can only do so much given our position.

 

[sullydnl]

He's been sublime in the EL and Dave has been slightly off his best this year (imo). Not much between them other than past reputations.

Sublime in the EL in limited appearances against teams like St Ettiene and Rostov. If he had played a full PL season I'm pretty sure I know how he would have fared compared to De Gea's "average" PL Team of the Season form.

Also, why ignore everything prior to this season anyway? De Gea's past reputation was built on the sort of outstanding performances you tend to get from world class players. Seems pretty relevant.

 

[lsd]

Yeah, Romero isn't on par with De Gea. That's not even remotely debatable. He's played against a bunch of midtable sides, De Gea is one of the top three keepers in the world. There is literally no way to justify Romero being as good as him.

Romero is in the better form this season . That's the only reason that counts ..

 

[Ixion]

He's deserving of that. Has nothing to do with Romero's performances.

Name me a single game in the EL Romero was our MOTM. Name a single save he's made in the entire run that DDG wouldn't have made.

He has had barely anything to do except the occasional routine save.

 

[shabz]

I remember in our League cup runs SAF always used to give the reserve keeper the chance throughout until the final and then always put our number one in net. So I think De Gea should start to be honest as much as it will be a sore one for Romero.

 

[Raoul]

Name me a single game in the EL Romero was our MOTM. Name a single save he's made in the entire run that DDG wouldn't have made.

He has had barely anything to do except the occasional routine save.

He doesn't have to be MoTM. He's been solid throughout and has gotten us to the finals. He gets the start.

 

[Ixion]

Romero is in the better form this season . That's the only reason that counts ..

No he isn't, he's played against a bunch of average sides while DDG was voted the best keeper in the league.

 

[Raoul]

Sublime in the EL in limited appearances against teams like St Ettiene and Rostov. If he had played a full PL season I'm pretty sure I know how he would have fared compared to De Gea's "average" PL Team of the Season form.

Also, why ignore everything prior to this season anyway? De Gea's past reputation was built on the sort of outstanding performances you tend to get from world class players. Seems pretty relevant.

Why would anyone care what happened last year ? Its ancient history in football terms.

 

[Berbaclass]

DDG should play IMO

 

[Damien]

And he isn't that great at organizing the defense. I mean, from those 4 players that you put in defense, Romero can speak with only one of them.

He played in the Netherlands for 4 years as well as Italy for 4 years. He can probably speak with all of them to some extent.

 

[snk123]

De Gea should start. If we lose by a De Gea mistake we can live with that, if we lose by a Romero mistake we won't hear the end of it.

How do you know? It is going to be the same either way.

 

[Raoul]

No he isn't, he's played against a bunch of average sides while DDG was voted the best keeper in the league.

That's nice. Clearly Mourinho could give two fecks and isn't going to toy with what got us here.

 

[sewey89]

Which position?

 

[Ixion]

That's nice. Clearly Mourinho could give two fecks and isn't going to toy with what got us here.

That's nice Mr. Romero is on par with De Gea.

I feel like this is a giant practical joke I'm not in on. Madrid are probably winning another European Cup in a few weeks and they're likely going to come in for De Gea again, not Romero.

 

[Raoul]

That's nice Mr. Romero is on par with De Gea.

I feel like this is a giant practical joke I'm not in on. Madrid are probably winning another European Cup in a few weeks and they're likely going to come in for De Gea again, not Romero.

The jokes on you. With our season and next season hanging in the balance, Mourinho selected Romero tonight.

 

[Cantona'sCollar]

No. Romero has one of our best & most consistent players in this tournament. People are talking here as if him starting will mean we lose. Also, DDG has not been as good as previous seasons - still the better keeper, but Romero has not given Mourinho a reason to drop him. He is one of the main reasons why we are in the final, anyway.

 

[harms]

No. Romero has proven himself to be on par with DDG imo. He got us here and deserves to finish the job.

De Gea was the best player in our side for 3 consecutive seasons and has been generally considered one of the best goalkeepers in the world (on par/just behind Neuer). Did our European campaign proved that Romero is on the same level?

 

[sullydnl]

Why would anyone care what happened last year ? Its ancient history in football terms.

That is such a bizzare point that I genuinely don't know how to argue against it.

 

[Raoul]

That is such a bizzare point that I genuinely don't know how to argue against it.

Form is a recent thing. Has nothing to do with last year or the year before.

 

[Revan]

He played in the Netherlands for 4 years as well as Italy for 4 years. He can probably speak with all of them to some extent.

Can he speak Dutch and Italian though?

It is really not very important though. He hardly looks like a big communicater who tries to organize the defense that much (a bit like De Gea in that aspect).

Romero is in the better form this season . That's the only reason that counts ..

He has make like 3 decent saves in this season. In most of the matches, he had barely had to make a save.

There is no way that he has been playing better than De Gea this season. Not anywhere close. De Gea hasn't been as good as in the last 2 seasons, but still is a far better keeper than Romero.

And feck, I have been defending Romero when Caf thought that he is a clown. He is a good keeper, at times a very good keeper. De Gea is a great keeper. The only reason that Romero should have got some games was to keep him in form if De Gea gets injured, not to replace him without showing that he is a better keeper. What Mourinho is doing is closer to Adan replacing Casillas rather than Donnaruma replacing Lopez.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

100% No, Romero has done nothing wrong so far, there is no reason to drop him.
Unless Romero gets injured, DDG will start the game on the bench.

 

[Grylte]

Agree with @Raoul , Romero has done nothing wrong in the EL matches he's played, Jomo also said that Romero is our EL Gk.
DDG has not had his best season, and i personally don't think he should be on team of the year based on his performances this year, even though he is the best GK in the league.

 

[Infra-red]

He's been sublime in the EL and Dave has been slightly off his best this year (imo). Not much between them other than past reputations.

... and actual ability.

 

[sullydnl]

Form is a recent thing. Has nothing to do with last year or the year before.

Aye, which is why we don't rate or play players solely on form.

 

[All 3 United]

If we were playing in a CL final who would be starting?

This is now a CL game and DDG should be starting.

 

[17 Van der Gouw]

Interesting divide in here.

I didn't vote for Romero because sentimentality - he deserves his place on merit.

 

[We need an rvn]

The jokes on you. With our season and next season hanging in the balance, Mourinho selected Romero tonight.

I hear what you're saying...he's saying I have trust in my no. 2...and if we were to lose ddg to Madrid this summer romero is proving to be a decent keeper. Agreed.

On the other hand, if you had one keeper to chose from and if you lost the match you'd have to cut your balls off, I'm pretty sure most of us would chose to have David in goal saving our balls...

 

[Grylte]

Also find it disrespectful towards Romero after a very good season in the tournament.
Why give the final to a player that might be leaving us this summer?
I think the manager had a talk with both keepers before the start of the season, where they agreed to let Romero play EL, and DDG the rest. If so, both keepers are prepared for it.

 

[SirAF]

Romero hasn't put a foot wrong, but feck it. De Gea should start, the final is almost life or death for us now.

 

[Ventura]

If Romero plays, does that mean DDG won't be credited with an EL win?

 

[Revan]

100% No, Romero has done nothing wrong so far, there is no reason to drop him.

And neither has done Rashford, but he is going to lose his place to Griezmann or some other striker next season.

Thing is, a player doesn't keep his place by doing nothing wrong. He keeps his place by being the best player in that position. And Romero isn't the best player in that position.

The idea that we should not play or best player (yep, Ibra is injured) in the biggest game of the season is an alien concept to me. Does Mourinho's shit decisions spread into other people brains.

We need a debate why we should play with 6 at the back for the last 30 minutes of all the remaining matches. I mean, it worked today. And it worked another 1 or 2 times. So, why not?

Yep, it would be as stupid to do so as playing Romero in the next match.

 

[Scarecrow]

It's not a sentimentality thing. I didn't vote for Romero because it'd be unfair otherwise. He's just put in nearly flawless performances whenever given the chance this season.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

De Gea

We need our best player. He's won it before. Wenger out

 

[Cassidy]

Name me a single game in the EL Romero was our MOTM. Name a single save he's made in the entire run that DDG wouldn't have made.

He has had barely anything to do except the occasional routine save.

Hes actually made some very good saves going back to the group stages. But in any case hes played well and its Ajax

 

[Arruda]

This is what happened to Porto in the Cup final last year when we gifted Helton with playing the final after he did wonderfully throughout the competition:


You don't need to watch the whole video, if you get to the 2:00 minute mark you get the gist of it.