General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

So we've done all of the TV set piece events, and there's not been a single question on how much it will cost to renationalise major industry. I just don't get it. It's as if people remember some mythical version of British Rail. where the trains always ran on time and. Although having been to the London Transport Museum, the seats were certainly more comfortable. I was pleased to see someone press Labour on tuition fees though; a total misuse of government expenditure IMO.

To summarise QT:

May started well but struggled on nurse's pay and mental health. Corbyn also started well, but fell to pieces on the nuclear question in particular. Corbyn's worst moments were had a lower tideline than May's, is how i'd put it.

How many voters were actually watching, i have no idea, although it was the PM's best performance so far. Get a decent Brexit deal out of the way under the Tories, and them maybe it's Umunna at No 10.

 

[Ubik]

Think it's pretty dangerous.

In what way - as a long term coalition?

 

[DenisIrwin]

Tory lying and racism

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[DOTA]

In what way - as a long term coalition?

Yeah. Feels like the sort of divide that leads to young people rioting, if it goes on like this for a while.

I suspect there are quite a few of us who genuinely don't know anyone their age who's openly voting Tory. That doesn't lend itself to tolerance.

 

[RedSky]

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I'd say I'm surprised but I'm not.

 

[rcoobc]

Trident is a funny thing. Barely adequate, extremely vital, yet a complete waste

 

[Ubik]

Yeah. Feels like the sort of divide that leads to young people rioting, if it goes on like this for a while.

I suspect there are quite a few of us who genuinely don't know anyone their age who's openly voting Tory. That doesn't lend itself to tolerance.

Ah I see what you mean - yeah I think we had a taste of this after last June, the young genuinely feeling like older voters had betrayed their futures given how clear the age gap was. I can only imagine that sense increasing if the economy does bite in a few years, probably at the young's expense once more. It's another thing that worries me about McDonnell being a higher up in Labour to be honest, he likes the violent side of things.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Umunna at No 10.

May would be better.

I'll take any Labour leader over him, middle or left.

 

[Berbaclass]

Yeah. Feels like the sort of divide that leads to young people rioting, if it goes on like this for a while.

I suspect there are quite a few of us who genuinely don't know anyone their age who's openly voting Tory. That doesn't lend itself to tolerance.

I certainly share that opinion, never met anyone my age (23) that has voted Tory.

At this present moment, I look at this country with a lot of disenchantment and feel very disillusioned with the way things are going.

I think my generation are pretty much being sold down the river by the older generation and have very little control, if any, over any of what is happening to this country and the future of it.

 

[Sweet Square]

Ah I see what you mean - yeah I think we had a taste of this after last June, the young genuinely feeling like older voters had betrayed their futures given how clear the age gap was. I can only imagine that sense increasing if the economy does bite in a few years, probably at the young's expense once more. It's another thing that worries me about McDonnell being a higher up in Labour to be honest, he likes the violent side of things.

Yeah McDonnell loves a good old riot although it really doesn't really worry me to much.

 

[Sweet Square]

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Yeah saw that earlier, no surprise. Also it's so clear that they targeting Diane Abbott because she is a black women, had a horrible tory leaflet put through the letter box today - ''collation of chaos'' which pictured Corbyn, Farron, Sturgeon and for some odd reason Abbott as well. I think we'll back in a few years with disgust at this tory campaign.

 

[DenisIrwin]

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[Silva]

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[Unmutual]

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[villain]

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It's ridiculous how often people lie about what Abbott does & says, and claim her race has nothing to do with it, and if anything she is the racist.

And May only said this to avoid answering a question on her chancellor miscalculating £20bn on HS2.

 

[montpelier]

Anyone considering a nuclear strike is already playing for very high stakes and the political situation is likely to be extreme. As such marginal risk factors are likely to be pivotal, not negligible, in making up their minds.

So it's best if we rule out a 1st strike then really, innit?

 

[LuisNaniencia]

I really don't get the nuclear launch argument. If we were to "first strike" the opposing country would retaliate and that would spell the end of our little island. But hey at least we kill millions of innocents before we die!

Having nuclear weapons just makes us more of a target, it's not a deterrent.

 

[Sweet Square]

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[Pexbo]

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They're trying to throw the election. I'm absolutely convinced now.

 

[Dan]

 

[Wibble]

The vague possibility of a hung parliament or even a labor victory should be a cause for celebration but since they seem to be a clueless as the Tories on Brexit I find it hard to care. I hate referendums but ones with simplistic questions especially annoy me and allow scare campaigns to be the focus rather than discussion of the important detail.

Brexit isn't a simple question and voters should have been given the options

 

[esmufc07]

I really don't get the nuclear launch argument. If we were to "first strike" the opposing country would retaliate and that would spell the end of our little island. But hey at least we kill millions of innocents before we die!

Having nuclear weapons just makes us more of a target, it's not a deterrent.

I'm completely against the first strike option and agree the path, as Corbyn said, should be a nuclear free world.

However, whilst we are renewing Trident (which I am wholly against) at great expense, Corbyn should have said he would be prepared to use it in retaliation to an attack on the UK. It definitely doesn't act as a deterrent if your enemies know you won't be prepared to use it. He should have just lied.

I do think the chances of a nuclear strike are minuscule though. Much lower than @MikeUpNorth's 5%. Cyber warfare is the future. No one is going to fire a nuclear weapon. In doing so the aggressor is basically wiping out their own country.

 

[Marcelinho87]

They're trying to throw the election. I'm absolutely convinced now.

Which makes sense to me... let labour take over Brexit as whoever does is going to be blamed for years and years so the next election the party who wins gains control of the country for ages.

The Tory plan.

 

[esmufc07]

The vague possibility of a hung parliament or even a labor victory should be a cause for celebration but since they seem to be a clueless as the Tories on Brexit I find it hard to care. I hate referendums but ones with simplistic questions annoy me and allow scare campaigns to be the focus rather than discussion of the important detail.

Brexit isn't a simple question and voters should have been given the options.

If they were being honest they would just come out and call Brexit for what it is, a huge mistake that is going to plunge the country into an economic mess. However, 'the will of the British people' crowd would be in uproar so it would be political suicide.

If, as I suspect, the Tories remain in power, they will be ousted in 2022. Their approach to Brexit is a shambles.

I'm with you on referendums, we elect MPs to make decisions for us as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Untied]

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Fair enough

I will say there should have been a similar (greater tbh) amount of furore dedicated to May's refusal to condemn Trump and his administration for pulling out of Paris

Corbyn was continually pressed on ridiculous nuclear weapon hypotheticals. May should really have been pressed on the much more likely "what would it actually take for you to condemn Trump and his administration"

 

[Pexbo]

Which makes sense to me... let labour take over Brexit as whoever does is going to be blamed for years and years so the next election the party who wins gains control of the country for ages.

The Tory plan.

Yup, short term loss for long term gains. Who from the Conservatives really loses out? May, Boris and a few other liabilities that they probably want rid of anyway.

 

[Untied]

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She makes this face quite a lot D:

 

[montpelier]

I'm completely against the first strike option and agree the path, as Corbyn said, should be a nuclear free world.

However, whilst we are renewing Trident (which I am wholly against) at great expense, Corbyn should have said he would be prepared to use it in retaliation to an attack on the UK. It definitely doesn't act as a deterrent if your enemies know you won't be prepared to use it. He should have just lied.

I do think the chances of a nuclear strike are minuscule though. Much lower than @MikeUpNorth's 5%. Cyber warfare is the future. No one is going to fire a nuclear weapon. In doing so the aggressor is basically wiping out their own country.

Always a deterrent because they can't ever KNOW that.

He is saying the wrong thing though, I agree.

 

[Smores]

Anyone considering a nuclear strike is already playing for very high stakes and the political situation is likely to be extreme. As such marginal risk factors are likely to be pivotal, not negligible, in making up their minds.

Whilst i think you're arguing the opposite angle this is my point. No one knows what Corbyn will write in the letter, no one knows be won't recuse himself from leadership in that situation. No one ones the officers won't take matters into their own hands. These are pivotal.

I'm genuinely astonished anyone thinks Corbyn is a factor in our deterrents effectiveness. Then again those most angry about this seem to completely misunderstand our capabilities anyway.

Anyway ill shush and stop being a bore on the matter

 

[Giant Midget]

It's her attempt at imitating a human smile.

 

[Nogbadthebad]

Just a reminder.

Only one sitting british PM has ever admitted they would fire nuclear weapons. That is may.

None of the others have been asked to say what people seemingly want corbyn to say.

 

[macheda14]

I used to be all for Corbyn, but how can we trust a man to run our country when he said next season's top 4 will be (in no particular order) Chelsea, arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs...

 

[Smores]

Just a reminder.

Only one sitting british PM has ever admitted they would fire nuclear weapons. That is may.

None of the others have been asked to say what people seemingly want corbyn to say.

Yeah but people want blood in this country. Those gentlemen asking last night clearly aren't afraid of the situation they're just the "patriotic" type who watch a few war documentaries, maybe read sun tzu and think they're militarily strategists.

They'd be NRA supporting gun rights activists if they were american

 

[montpelier]

I think a policy of having nuclear bombs & wittering on about being prepared to use them is definitely the way forward.

First target, Yorkshire & it's disproportionately large number of stupid intolerant old bellends.

 

[montpelier]

I used to be all for Corbyn, but how can we trust a man to run our country when he said next season's top 4 will be (in no particular order) Chelsea, arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs...

we should threaten to vapourize his house & everything within 30 miles of it as a deterrent

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Apparently Alistair Campbell's endorsed Corbyn.

On a side note (although I've probably said this before) the power of a spin doctor should never be underestimated. A few years ago (after the Iraq scandal and after Campbell had been let go with him being one of the most hated people in the UK depending who you spoke to) he was giving a talk to about 700 of us in Dundee. I think every single person in that room was getting ready to boo him but within 30 seconds of talking suddenly everyone was on his side, as he gauged the crowd and had come on with a humble and self deprecating narrative. During the Q&A someone asked him about the Iraq war and, shit you not, the entire audience started sighing and asking the guy to stop harassing Campbell. The same Campbell that less than half an hour prior was walking onto a stage surrounded by people giving him dirty looks.

 

[Oscie]

Both May and Corbyn look incredible uncomfortable when defending their record/past. Both seem to have previously surrounded themselves with yes-men,whether it be only speaking to hand selected crowds (May) or getting used to attending rallies in their own honour (Corbyn) neither seem particularly well versed at handling hostile questions.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

I'm completely against the first strike option and agree the path, as Corbyn said, should be a nuclear free world.

However, whilst we are renewing Trident (which I am wholly against) at great expense, Corbyn should have said he would be prepared to use it in retaliation to an attack on the UK. It definitely doesn't act as a deterrent if your enemies know you won't be prepared to use it. He should have just lied.

I do think the chances of a nuclear strike are minuscule though. Much lower than @MikeUpNorth's 5%. Cyber warfare is the future. No one is going to fire a nuclear weapon. In doing so the aggressor is basically wiping out their own country.

You're probably right, but on the other hand the thing I like most about Corbyn is he's honest (for a politician). I'm not sure I'd want him to lie.

 

[DenisIrwin]

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[DenisIrwin]

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A someone who works on zero hours contracts myself, I thought this line of questioning was a bit sus.