Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Some of the goals he's scored... :drool:

His technique is brilliant, think he'd do very well in the Prem. Does actually remind me a bit of Torres as well, the way he runs the channels, beats the defensive line and his dribbling.
 

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So just to view it this way, out of top teams, our number 9 is probably the weakest (even though good) with the expection of arsenal may be (costa, Kane, augero, msn, ronaldo and benzema, lewondoski, dybala, griezman etc). I am sure we will be fine with him but we really need to sign a great striker
This, you can't be the best by signing other team's backups. This guy already failed to establish himself at Juve and Madrid and now we buy him for ~€60m?
 

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In the past they didn't but lately are working better in the transfers and the sales.
Perisic and Morata can't cost the same and Madrid should use that argument to increase the bid.
Morata+20=De Gea or Morata going to Milan for 60 would be a bad business for us in my opinion,based in the price of Belotti or Lukaku
It's not that simple. Perisic is key player for inter so they won't sell easily. Morata is bench player for Madrid.

Hard to compare 2 transfers to name the proper price.
 

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In the past they didn't but lately are working better in the transfers and the sales.
Perisic and Morata can't cost the same and Madrid should use that argument to increase the bid.
Morata+20=De Gea or Morata going to Milan for 60 would be a bad business for us in my opinion,based in the price of Belotti or Lukaku
None of Perisic, Lukaku or Bellotti have actually been sold, so that argument is worthless, but based on that argument, if Ederson is 40m then we should get at least 100m for DDG. After all, it's Real that need a GK, not United.
 

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If De Gea sees himself as a Real Madrid player at some point in the future then just get it over with and let him go now. Morata is a lot better than the other options of Belotti and Lukaku and is one of the best all round CFs playing. If we got him and a top player for the right, I'd be very happy with our attacking options for next season.
How is he better than Lukaku at scoring goals? Like how did you reach that conclusion that Morata is a lot better than Lukaku? I like Morata hes skilled and is a good goalscorer but Lukaku's record is superior with a worse team.
 

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He's got all the attributes of a perfect no.9. He's got the height and strength to hold up play, but he's also good at dribbling as well. His finishing is also top notch. I reckon he'd do well going into any team really.
 

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Good age and goal scoring record, I'd prefer him over lacazette and Lukaku.

He's a pretty decent dribbler, can score with his head also I think he'd be a great signing.
 

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I would have asked for Morata and Isco for DeGea.
 

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We're going to need that anyway. Other underwhelming options like Belotti and Lukaku score at a slightly higher rate, true, but any of the three is essentially replacing Zlatan Ibrahmovic's goal tally. We need that second attacker to contribute goals -- we only managed 53 in the league and our next highest top scorer after Zlatan hit a measly 6.
I disagree. I believe if we play Rashford up front with the chances we create he will score 15-18 goals. If we also added a second striker in the mould mentioned above they would add another 20 goals. With a good contribution (30?) from Mata, Mkhitaryan, Martial from the wide positions and Pogba from midfield we'd be scoring 70+. In a team with Mourinho's defensive discipline that'd be enough to challenge.

Morata's goal tally though: 20 goals in 39 games (17 starts and 22 subs) is very impressive. His overall minutes is 1707, which equals a goal every 90 minutes or so.

Can't be sure here, but I believe Juventus played a 2 man strike-force back then, which would contextualise his stats a little better. Onus isn't on him to score as frequently; his ability to play and work-rate have more interest.
Again I think Morata's stats are boosted by his role in the best team in the world, especially in a League where the team he plays for ended up scoring 106 league goals. I think the more illustrative stats are shown when he played for Juve - a goal every c. 200 mins.

I agree in a sense that his game is more based around his non goalscoring attributes. However that is the last thing we need as a team - we already have several players who're creators rather than goalscorers.
 

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I disagree. I believe if we play Rashford up front with the chances we create he will score 15-18 goals If we also added a second striker in the mould mentioned above they would add another 20 goals. With a good contribution (30?) from Mata, Mkhitaryan, Martial from the wide positions and Pogba from midfield we'd be scoring 70+.
Which is the exact amount Zlatan scored. I'm not sure you can say so with such authority either, he's only a 19 year old kid after all. In fact, your whole first paragraph is just speculation and hope -- those 3 managed 14 goals between them. They'd literally all have to double their tally to get close to what you want.

A second striker as mentioned above where? Who? Any signing of a second striker will also drop Pogba deeper into midfield, lessening his capacity when he is one who the team should be given free-role around.
 

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How is he better than Lukaku at scoring goals? Like how did you reach that conclusion that Morata is a lot better than Lukaku? I like Morata hes skilled and is a good goalscorer but Lukaku's record is superior with a worse team.
I didn't say he was better than Lukaku at scoring goals. And goals aren't everything. Aubameyang scores more goals than Benzema and really wants to go to Real Madrid but Real Madrid haven't replaced their nine with him (and aren't going to).
 

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How much would people say he's worth, because reports suggesting if De Gea goes to Madrid, they will give us 25M euros + Morata for De Gea?
 

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I disagree. I believe if we play Rashford up front with the chances we create he will score 15-18 goals. If we also added a second striker in the mould mentioned above they would add another 20 goals. With a good contribution (30?) from Mata, Mkhitaryan, Martial from the wide positions and Pogba from midfield we'd be scoring 70+. In a team with Mourinho's defensive discipline that'd be enough to challenge.



Again I think Morata's stats are boosted by his role in the best team in the world, especially in a League where the team he plays for ended up scoring 106 league goals. I think the more illustrative stats are shown when he played for Juve - a goal every c. 200 mins.

I agree in a sense that his game is more based around his non goalscoring attributes. However that is the last thing we need as a team - we already have several players who're creators rather than goalscorers.
On some level I agree with you however, as we saw at United last season, the hardest place to be a forward is a big club. If you score 20 goals for a middling side the achievement will be praised but, because you're not competing for the title it doesn't matter if you miss, there's no pressure.

You could see the way the goal got smaller in the minds of our strikers last season, the more we drew the less confident they became.

Morata has proven he can do it at a big club. The opposition might not always be great but then we don't play Chelsea every week do we? Also, lets not pretend he only bangs them in at Eibar. He's scored in big games too and against big opposition.
 

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I didn't say he was better than Lukaku at scoring goals. And goals aren't everything. Aubameyang scores more goals than Benzema and really wants to go to Real Madrid but Real Madrid haven't replaced their nine with him (and aren't going to).
I guess we see things differently. For me, when it comes to a striker goals are everything. Thats literally what they're supposed to do.
 

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I didn't say he was better than Lukaku at scoring goals. And goals aren't everything. Aubameyang scores more goals than Benzema and really wants to go to Real Madrid but Real Madrid haven't replaced their nine with him (and aren't going to).
They have Ronaldo. We have......
 

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They have Ronaldo. We have......
We should have players that are able to make up for the lack. Diego Costa only got around 20 goals last season and in 14/15 and Chelsea won the title both those times. Morata can get 20 here too. We just need other players to chip in.
 

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We should have players that are able to make up for the lack. Diego Costa only got around 20 goals last season and in 14/15 and Chelsea won the title both those times. Morata can get 20 here too. We just need other players to chip in.
But they don't. You have to be realistic. Morata has never got 20 league goals. Your then asking him to turn into a prolific goalscorer in a more competitive league. In all honesty, we could just put more faith in Martial. Then to get other players to chip in we need better balance. Morata has great ability but if he was really good at linking up with a front 3 he would be starting ahead of Benzema in this Real team. Why wouldn't you have a striker up front that would allow Ronaldo to get more goals?
 

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But they don't. You have to be realistic. Morata has never got 20 league goals. Your then asking him to turn into a prolific goalscorer in a more competitive league. In all honesty, we could just put more faith in Martial. Then to get other players to chip in we need better balance. Morata has great ability but if he was really good at linking up with a front 3 he would be starting ahead of Benzema in this Real team. Why wouldn't you have a striker up front that would allow Ronaldo to get more goals?
To be fair I don't think there are other strikers in the world capable of on linking up like Benzema can.( maybe Suarez).
 

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On some level I agree with you however, as we saw at United last season, the hardest place to be a forward is a big club. If you score 20 goals for a middling side the achievement will be praised but, because you're not competing for the title it doesn't matter if you miss, there's no pressure.

You could see the way the goal got smaller in the minds of our strikers last season, the more we drew the less confident they became.

Morata has proven he can do it at a big club. The opposition might not always be great but then we don't play Chelsea every week do we? Also, lets not pretend he only bangs them in at Eibar. He's scored in big games too and against big opposition.
I agree regarding performing for a big club which is why I think his Juventus stats are indicative of what he'd achieve at a club like United.

Comparing a Real Madrid striker whose likely to miss a chance at 3-0 rather than 0-0 with a striker at the majority of other clubs where each miss is potentially points and trophies lost is a bit naive in my view.

His goal scoring for Madrid would put him at 40 league goals for the season. I highly doubt he'd even get half that. Especially since every valuable miss would put more and more pressure on him.
 

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But they don't. You have to be realistic. Morata has never got 20 league goals. Your then asking him to turn into a prolific goalscorer in a more competitive league. In all honesty, we could just put more faith in Martial. Then to get other players to chip in we need better balance. Morata has great ability but if he was really good at linking up with a front 3 he would be starting ahead of Benzema in this Real team. Why wouldn't you have a striker up front that would allow Ronaldo to get more goals?
These are Morata's stats this season...



Asking him to score 20 league goals is nothing crazy when he scored 15 in 1300 mins (literally 1 goal for every 90 mins of league football). So we're not expecting him to make any great "leap", just to simply adjust to the league and deliver same form as he did for Real last season. Even an inferior form (in terms of minutes to goal) would make him a success. Ibra had a goal every 143 mins in the league (which is literally 60% worse off than Morata) and yet we are talking about how he was a big success.

On the subject of why he doesn't start ahead of Benzema, it could be simply because of dressing room dynamics, hierarchy or managerial/presidential personal preference. All that stuff happens a lot in Madrid. I've not seen any evidence of him failing to link with team-mates when he's played.
 

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But they don't. You have to be realistic. Morata has never got 20 league goals. Your then asking him to turn into a prolific goalscorer in a more competitive league.
Again, to follow on your quote from the twitter page, it took Zlatan 8 seasons to score 20 goals in a league season.
If you exclude his time in France, he's only scored more than 20 goals per season twice in 13 seasons (I'm excluding the French seasons as PSG were just that far ahead of anybody else at the time)

I won't excuse the fact that without injury he'd have scored 20 this season
 
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Very good all round striker and still young. This transfer window is truing out to be the hardest to call for a while.
 

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I didn't say he was better than Lukaku at scoring goals. And goals aren't everything. Aubameyang scores more goals than Benzema and really wants to go to Real Madrid but Real Madrid haven't replaced their nine with him (and aren't going to).
Because Madrid don't need a goal machine when they already have the best in the world.
We need goals
 

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He's a really good, classy player, everytime I watch him i'm impressed, I think a lot of people who don't want him will end up really liking him when they see him play for us, he'd be a really good no.9 to lead the line especially with a goalscorer like Griezmann behind him.
He'd have gotten 15-20 with Griezmann 20-25, and then we'd have had Martial, Rashford, Mata, Miki, (& Peresic?) chipping in on top, that would have been an almost perfect summer for me. :(
 

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But they don't. You have to be realistic.
We need them to be though. If others don't score, we'll do poorly again next season. Ibrahimovic got 28 goals this season and that wasn't enough.

We need goals
Not from the CF position. A Diego Costa level of goals will be fine.

Morata has never got 20 league goals. Your then asking him to turn into a prolific goalscorer in a more competitive league
I'm gonna leave that aside.
 

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These are Morata's stats this season...



Asking him to score 20 league goals is nothing crazy when he scored 15 in 1300 mins (literally 1 goal for every 90 mins of league football). So we're not expecting him to make any great "leap", just to simply adjust to the league and deliver same form as he did for Real last season. Even an inferior form (in terms of minutes to goal) would make him a success. Ibra had a goal every 143 mins in the league (which is literally 60% worse off than Morata) and yet we are talking about how he was a big success.

On the subject of why he doesn't start ahead of Benzema, it could be simply because of dressing room dynamics, hierarchy or managerial/presidential personal preference. All that stuff happens a lot in Madrid. I've not seen any evidence of him failing to link with team-mates when he's played.
Stop with the stupid stats. He won't be coming here to come in every 20mins at the end of the game where we end up beating Stoke 6-1 to add up his goals per minutes. He will play 90 minutes and will need to have a goal every 2 games return to relatively be successful. There won't be many if any 5-6 goals games and teams would be bending over to get f#%~ed like in La Liga.

He's scored more goals than Benzema he shouldn't be on the bench. He's doing something wrong more than just politics.
 

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He does reminds me of Torres, his build, his style and some of his finishing. Now if Torres can come to the PL and succeed, i am pretty sure Morata will. But i would prefer to do a deal without involving De Gea
 

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Stop with the stupid stats. He won't be coming here to come in every 20mins at the end of the game where we end up beating Stoke 6-1 to add up his goals per minutes. He will play 90 minutes and will need to have a goal every 2 games return to relatively be successful. There won't be many if any 5-6 goals games and teams would be bending over to get f#%~ed like in La Liga.

He's scored more goals than Benzema he shouldn't be on the bench. He's doing something wrong more than just politics.
Stop with the made up stats.

- Morata started 12 league games for RM this season and scored 10 of his 15 goals in those starts. He only played more than 80' in half of them too.
- Of the 5 sub-appearance goals he scored, 3 were literally the winning goals as the game was tied at the time.
- Only 2/15 goals scored were in sub appearances of a "finished" game

But I guess Mainoldo from the caf has already made up his mind on the player so never mind the reality.
 

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Stop with the made up stats.

- Morata started 12 league games for RM this season and scored 10 of his 15 goals in those starts. He only played more than 80' in half of them too.
- Of the 5 sub-appearance goals he scored, 3 were literally the winning goals as the game was tied at the time.
- Only 2/15 goals scored were in sub appearances of a "finished" game

But I guess Mainoldo from the caf has already made up his mind on the player so never mind the reality.
Abit like he's a good striker because he has the best goals per minutes. Probably because he doesn't start start much hence why the lack of minutes.
 

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Abit like he's a good striker because he has the best goals per minutes. Probably because he doesn't start start much hence why the lack of minutes.
Huh? Yes he hasn't got many minutes because he doesn't start many games, well done Sherlock! We hadn't noticed that one. Now what's your point?
 
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