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General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
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I wouldn't feel sorry for her. She's an authoritarian figure obsessed with power and control. We see that with ECHR, control over the internet, this election, brexit and her complete inability to have a normal conversation. She over-prepares to the point where she can't sound natural, and when she does go off script, she gets defensive.
Maybe there is a caring person under there. We dont know, we've never seen her.
They should get Harrison Ford to retire her the fecking replicant!
I know I know, it's the Mirror, but..
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-in-tears-tory-staffer-10604243
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-in-tears-tory-staffer-10604243
Thing about Boris that's gone a little under the radar - his majority in Uxbridge is now only 5k. Quite possible that Labour's near maxed-out their vote in London, but it's still not quite as secure as you'd want a leader. Cameron and May's were over 20k.
Amber Rudd's only a few hundred tactical votes away from losing her seat so they can't pick her.
If they genuinely looked like taking it, then I suspect the Lib Dems and Greens would drop out since that adds an extra 5% or so to the Labour vote. Conversely though, UKIP would drop out too, bringing it back a bit. I expect if Boris was PM he'd get a voting boost in his constituency, but hard to tell. Certainly a bit of a risk, albeit nowhere near the same level of risk with Rudd.
Yup Rudd would just be asking for trouble. I think in the end if it's going to be anyone, it'll be Johnson.
I still wouldn't put it past them to try to get a Scottish MP to resign and then punt Davidson in...but then someone pointed out to me that the whole EVEL thing would make it a bit silly, since we'd have a PM who can't actually vote on anything related to health/education etc. And putting her in an English constituency would seem daft.
I could see an outsider like Javid maybe emerging to the forefront if the frontrunners aren't all that impressive.
Does that make Jezza Corbyn a blade runner then?
Yes! Yes it does!
I also think she'd struggle to win the leadership. She's a bit like Ken Clarke, avowedly pro-EU/single market to the extent that there's no way the right would allow her the leadership unchallenged, and the Tory headbanging membership would probably go for any eurosceptic up against her (outside of John Redwood). Imagine if it's Leadsom.
Couldn't they just have Rudd run in a safer seat? Might not be a great look but has to be worth it if they decide she's their best option.
The Tories go to strategy it to present themselves as the strong, competent party which is one of the reason May's campaign was so laughable. If their next leader looks scared of losing their seat it would go the same way this election did.
Bitter acceptance speech from Hunt. Everything about him annoys me.
i can't decide if I feel sorry for her or not. If I do it's because she's been the recipient of some God awful advice. But then it's hard to believe a senior politician in her 60s having held one of the great offices of state for 7 years could be naive enough not to know awful advice when she's getting it.
Yet if he had done many of the things within his control he wouldn't have got the result he did.
Lucky or brilliantly played? Who cares. The Tories and UKIP got fecked. Celebrate.
I feel sorry for the people not any politician. The Torries brought us to this.
Now they are limping to the Brexit negotiations.
There hopefully is another election within a few months and we get a proper government headed by Corbyn.
Now they are limping to the Brexit negotiations.
There hopefully is another election within a few months and we get a proper government headed by Corbyn.
A woman and party who have made a day job out of ruining and in an unforgivable number of cases, ending the lives of people in this country, whilst ensuring they'll never have to worry about another bill in their life. feck the lot of them.
He wont touch it with a barge pole till someone else drags brexit through. He knows it political suicide.
He'll prop her up as his sacrificial monkey and stab her in the back after its done and dusted.
Politicians ability to completely avoid a question and their use of repetition always frustrates me. It always reminds me of the Ed video below.
Who's the problem, and as I don't confidently have an answer, I'll give you that one.
Disagree with the second paragraph. Leaving the single market is the stupidest thing that we could do, and not what needed to be done as a result of the referendum. I'll repeat again - no-one even tried to interpret the results of the referendum until May became PM. There was a blank canvas on which to project, and the Labour Party didn't even attempt to suggest an alternative way of course. McDonnell and Corbyn just weren't interested, which is hardly a shock after a lifetime being agnostic about the EU.
In their defence, the approach seemed to pay off in the last election. If it will do so going forward is a different question. Now is the time to fight for a softer Brexit (see Davidson, Hammond) but again they're not interested in the topic. We could have been in a situation now of the opposition fighting alongside senior Tories against Theresa May's proposed hard Brexit, and something valuable actually being achieved. This is the main failure of their leadership for me.
They could just scrap EVEL though, with a simple majority vote in the commons.
But actually, I don't think that is necessary.
https://constitution-unit.com/2016/...tes-for-english-laws-in-the-house-of-commons/
So it's not actually true, the Scottish MPs can indeed vote on English laws. It's just that English MPs have to also get a majority.
Also, I don't think there is any way EVEL would survive in a Labour government. Granted it hasn't been used that often, but the first thing a Labour government would do is repeal it.
He damaged his credibility with his handling of the business rates increases.
Turns out Labour has 15,000 new members, rather than 150,000. Seems more believable.
Any chance of changing that title to "Cabinet Meh-Shuffle"... very little actual change.
And yet they're already trying to spin it towards meaning soft brexit. You can see their plan from a mile away.
This is quite a common thing with Corbyn, The Newstatesmen devoted a whole issue to the subject of ''A Real Opposition'' and they came to the same answer.Who's the problem, and as I don't confidently have an answer, I'll give you that one.
Would never happen. We only have to look back at what these pro EU tories thought of Labour under Corbyn, George Osborne(The man who's economic policy caused the deaths of the most vulnerable and poorest in society)happily watched as Corbyn was branded a terrorist sympathiser and also recently as The Evening Standard Editor put out the headline - ''Comrade Corbyn Flies The Red Flag''. Other pro EU tories such as Michael Heseltine(Who still doesn't think UK will leave)said only yesterday that the number one priority for the Conservative Party is to stop Corbyn becoming PM. But also Corbyn would never work with them and rightfully so, one of the best moves made by Corbyn that rarely gets mentioned was his refusal to campaign with Cameron during the referendum.
I think we're just in disagreement here.
I'm not suggesting some sort of joint Corbyn/ Liberal Tory campaign, I'm talking about the idea of an opposition putting such pressure on the government that the media and sympathetic MPs turn on them, forcing a policy U-turn. That's a pretty common event (see NI rise, tax credits cut, grammar schools).
This is the time to attack the prospect of a hard Brexit, while momentum is against May and her vision. But Corbyn's team aren't interested, and while the opposition support the same colour of Brexit as May, the growing calls for a change of tact (see Osborne, Davidson, Umanna, Clegg post election) can be ignored much more easily.
It would also be a huge political win for Labour if they managed to shift the direction of Brexit. But again, you have to assume this isn't something Corbyn and McDonnell are interested in. They've long been sceptical of the EU, have at-best lukewarm opinions on capitalism and haven't focused at all on the benefits of the single market.
I was shocked by how much of the remain vote Labour appeared to hive up in this election. Sadly it doesn't look like they're going to do anything with it.
More a refusal to campaign full stop, which contributed greatly to the outcome of the referendum.
Thats just a mental statement all round. Do you honestly think Corbyn has that much influence?
If you were arguing the Labour campaign that would be slightly less ridiculous but even then 'contributed greatly' is too much.
The guy who just managed to make the country go from thinking he was a bit useless to thinking he's make a good potential PM in a campiagn of just a few months? Yeah I think he could have make a real difference for Remain if he'd actually supported it. Especially considering so many Leave voters were working class.
A Labour Brexit wouldn't actually be the same as Mays. And they have been attacking the prospect of a hard Brexit, Corbyn when talking about Brexit(boringly in my view)mentions ''Tax Heaven, low productivity of the shores of Europe ect'' that's doesn't mean Labour plan is any good(It's at best muddled)
As for support there are no Tory MPs or media outlets that would be sympathetic to anything it if results in a positive for a Corbyn lead Labour Party, the people you mentioned - two of them aren't even MP's, Osbourne(A formerly hated politician) is a now a newspaper editor for the 4th biggest newspaper in the country, he's pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, Clegg is fecking nobody who lost seat last week(God I was so happy when that happened)and Davidson is now in a government that is in crisis,losing to Labour in the polls and Umanna is a MP hated by Labour members. The further Corbyn and Labour stay away even the idea of working with these people the better.
Also I'm not sure the remain vote and leave vote is really a thing, yes there are people on both sides who are very loud and odd but the way this election went shows the most people care more about their local hospital than the sharpness of Mr Macrons game theory.
Yeah that's not true.
A campaign built on change and hope not the status quo. He's a good campaigner but Corbyn by himself would not have shifted thar vote. Im really not trying to apologise for him or anything i just dont see it.
Them being working class makes no difference, from what ive seen so far leave working class areas voted just tory no??
Bros in the UK, I have a question for you: since the Fall 0f 2014, the UK had four votes: the Scottish Referendum, the 2015 elections, Brexit and the 2017 elections. Isn't that too much? What's your take on this?
At this rate the next vote will be to abolish the union.
Of course it's too much. But it was always inevitable once Dave called that referendum.
Given the turnout in the latest general election, id say no. Not yet. (Well, i havent taken part in the Scottish one)
But i think one more national vote maximum in the next 5 years, any more would be too much.
But it also demonstrates how polarised we are now
I don't see why it is personally, would have been better not to have some of them but using it as a basis not to have another one as the tories are doing is daft.
Too much of this country wastes their life on watching soaps but will moan at having to spend minimal time having to vote.