NBA 2017-2018

How did Terrance Ferguson end up playing in the NBL in Australia? Even Dante Exum and Ben Simmons did not want to play there.
 
There are going to be some brutal teams in the East next season. Atlanta are gutting their team, it's likely their best players next year will be Schroder and Hardaway Jr, Bulls look ridiculously bad now and Indiana are going to be proper shit without George too if that trade happens. These are 3 playoff teams from this season.
 
There are going to be some brutal teams in the East next season. Atlanta are gutting their team, it's likely their best players next year will be Schroder and Hardaway Jr, Bulls look ridiculously bad now and Indiana are going to be proper shit without George too if that trade happens. These are 3 playoff teams from this season.
Well Sixers wil be a lot better on the other hand, health permitting.
 
Butler to the Wolves leaves me speechless, they got one of the defender that they needed and he is also a pretty good point scorer. Now, the problem is that Butler is at an age where he needs to win, can the Wolves give him that? Will the Wolves add a top PF or as per the rumor a top PG and try to compete with the big boys?
 
It'll be fun watching a lot of those rookies from this hyped to no end class disappoint or play below expectations.
Can't wait to see the average dumb Knicks fan complaining about how Nikitila doesn't perform right away.
 
Butler to the Wolves leaves me speechless, they got one of the defender that they needed and he is also a pretty good point scorer. Now, the problem is that Butler is at an age where he needs to win, can the Wolves give him that? Will the Wolves add a top PF or as per the rumor a top PG and try to compete with the big boys?
They have the perfect PG in their team with Rubio but I have a feeling Thibs doesn't realize that. They need more depth and their young players (especially Wiggins who is overrated) just need more time to develope.
 
Don't understand where the Wolves are getting 3-pointers on their roster. Can't really rely on your center.
 
They have the perfect PG in their team with Rubio but I have a feeling Thibs doesn't realize that. They need more depth and their young players (especially Wiggins who is overrated) just need more time to develope.

I don't know much about NBA, so I naively wasn't in love with Rubio but his playmaking abilities seem to be a great fit with players like Butler, Wiggins and KAT who likes to have the ball, I think that he is a good defender too(I could be wrong).
 
Don't understand where the Wolves are getting 3-pointers on their roster. Can't really rely on your center.

Butler can shoot - 37% on 3 attempts a game last season so while not spectacular, it's something. Wiggins can develop that shot of his too, he's very young.
 
Don't understand where the Wolves are getting 3-pointers on their roster. Can't really rely on your center.

Yeah, that's a big problem which could explain why Thibs allegedly wants to trade Rubio.
 
Yeah Lakers got Lonzo Ball, but LaVar is his father (and full of shit). I can't really comment since I don't watch any college basketball except for some highlight vids of the top prospects, but quite a few people reckon Ball is the most talented player in this Draft, I guess Fultz is more NBA ready at the moment amongst other factors.

I'm more of a college Bball fan than NBA, but obviously take my words with a grain of salt. Lonzo is up there with Jackson as perhaps the most volatile picks in terms of how high the ceiling is but also how much more risk there is to them flopping. Lonzo has the highest BBIQ in this draft, he's a generational passer of the ball, and he catapults threes from deep. But, he's got a wonky shot motion that prevents him from shooting as he's moving to the right, he looked lazy on defense, and while he's tall for a point guard he's not as clearly athletically gifted as other top point guards (he doesn't have the blazing speed of John Wall, or the trickery of Kyrie, etc.). Because he grew up playing GSW style basketball (pace and space, lots of ball movement) he's a perfect fit in the NBA if you can surround him with 3 and D players and especially if you can bring in a star who's got good at the iso game and can create his own shot. The biggest question mark over Lonzo is his ability to be a creator for himself, whereas Fultz was the best player on a very bad team and learned early how to utilize his talents to be a shot creator. Fultz has the better chance of being the better player out of the two, but Lonzo was never going to fall out of the top 3 in this draft only because his potential is too high to pass up on.
 
I am still shocked by the Butler trade. The Bulls are really going to build around Kris Dunn, Zach Lavine and Lauri.
 
I find Griffin quite possibly the most overrated player of his generation, basically due to his dunk highlights.

Going back to 2013...definitely, hell he was in the MVP conversation. But, I don't think he's overrated anymore. Not after the past couple of seasons.

His career numbers are very good -

21.5 points, 9.5 rebounds, 4.1 assists.

He never put in the work - he developed a mid range game...but Marc Gasol shoots three pointers ffs.
 
The Wolves could do with a Power Forward.:wenger:
 
I'm more of a college Bball fan than NBA, but obviously take my words with a grain of salt. Lonzo is up there with Jackson as perhaps the most volatile picks in terms of how high the ceiling is but also how much more risk there is to them flopping. Lonzo has the highest BBIQ in this draft, he's a generational passer of the ball, and he catapults threes from deep. But, he's got a wonky shot motion that prevents him from shooting as he's moving to the right, he looked lazy on defense, and while he's tall for a point guard he's not as clearly athletically gifted as other top point guards (he doesn't have the blazing speed of John Wall, or the trickery of Kyrie, etc.). Because he grew up playing GSW style basketball (pace and space, lots of ball movement) he's a perfect fit in the NBA if you can surround him with 3 and D players and especially if you can bring in a star who's got good at the iso game and can create his own shot. The biggest question mark over Lonzo is his ability to be a creator for himself, whereas Fultz was the best player on a very bad team and learned early how to utilize his talents to be a shot creator. Fultz has the better chance of being the better player out of the two, but Lonzo was never going to fall out of the top 3 in this draft only because his potential is too high to pass up on.

Most of these guys besides the guys in the top 3 have high "bust" potential. You like Ball because of his BBBIQ and his court vision. He isn't the quickest laterally and that raises some questions for him defensively but 1.09 PPP and 3.08 AST/TO are elite for this class. I'm not as worried for his shot (release is very quick) as I am about his PnR game, as Alford ran little of it at UCLA.

DX-Lonzo Ball
 
Went to 7 UCLA basketball games this past season including the much-hyped away game at UDub where he guarded Fultz for much of the night. Lonzo is the real deal and all the haters will soon recognize. Yes, his shooting motion is ugly and unconventional but it's effective and he's got a quick enough release that he'll be all right. More importantly, when he runs the show he makes everyone else better. That rare ability to raise the level of his teammates is the invaluable part of his game which separates himself from others. Couldn't give a shit less about all that other stuff regarding Lavar. Personally, I find the clown sorta entertaining.
 
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The spacing would be terrible in a Rubio/Wiggins/Butler/Griffin/Towns lineup. And anyone who understands how the cap works know if they can afford Griffin?

I think they have some room but not enough to offer a max - maybe just below it? They'd need to move on someone I am fairly sure. Not sure Griffin would be who I would target for them either. They definitely need a PF who can space the floor and probably should look at moving on Rubio too.

Also, Bulls :lol:

EDIT: @charlton66 happy with Golden State's pick? I think they have done brilliantly. Chicago are also idiots for selling it.
 
The spacing would be terrible in a Rubio/Wiggins/Butler/Griffin/Towns lineup. And anyone who understands how the cap works know if they can afford Griffin?

I know, I'm just letting my inner muppet loose.:lol:

Edit: Mirotic would fit though? But I don't know about the money side?
 
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The spacing would be terrible in a Rubio/Wiggins/Butler/Griffin/Towns lineup. And anyone who understands how the cap works know if they can afford Griffin?
It would be terrible but there are not many power forwards who are available and can shoot a three. They should not be looking for shooting at 4.

I think what they could do is look to trade Rubio for someone who can shoot. There have to be doubts whether they can make it work with Rubio/Butler backcourt. Or just teach Wiggins to shoot a three. He was 35.6% on 3.5 attempts per game last season so it's not completely hopeless.
 
I find Rubio a very good PG, but unfortunately he cannot shoot. A decade ago, where 3 pointers weren't that important, he would have probably been a top 10 point guard in the league.
 
Butler going to the West. PG next year. Possibly LeBron, as well. This is jut not healthy for the league.
 
I find Rubio a very good PG, but unfortunately he cannot shoot. A decade ago, where 3 pointers weren't that important, he would have probably been a top 10 point guard in the league.
He's probably the answer to what Jason Kidd would be as a player if he never did develop a jumper.
 
Sacramento did for me the best draft business.

Also hope Philly can push for the playoffs next season, with Simmons and Fultz they have the two no 1 picks from the last 2 years in the lineup next season and with improving Saric and Embiid could be fun to watch
 
Most of these guys besides the guys in the top 3 have high "bust" potential. You like Ball because of his BBBIQ and his court vision. He isn't the quickest laterally and that raises some questions for him defensively but 1.09 PPP and 3.08 AST/TO are elite for this class. I'm not as worried for his shot (release is very quick) as I am about his PnR game, as Alford ran little of it at UCLA.

DX-Lonzo Ball

I agree with you. Defensively I think it's more about effort/mentality than physical tools, although he did get put through the blender by Fox in the NCAA tourney. The only reason I don't fear so much about his PnR game is his high BBIQ. He didn't run it much at UCLA, but he's got such basketball smarts that I believe he'll be able to pick it up after running point for a couple years (and after getting rid of D'Lo, there's no question they'll be throwing Lonzo in off the deep end from day 1). I really like Lonzo if I'm being honest, he plays a beautiful game and his passing is, for my taste, more aesthetically pleasing than watching someone sink 3s from 35 feet (an impressive feat nonetheless).
 
Looks like we are signing Jonathan Motley out of Baylor to a two year contract and picking up Yogi's team option for next season. Not a bad few days for the FO.

 
That's good business from Dallas. Motley was very good this year and if he had been healthy he would have been drafted IMO. Very solid draft week from their FO.
 
He's probably the answer to what Jason Kidd would be as a player if he never did develop a jumper.

Rubio in spot up situations is not terrible. The bigger issue is he is a poor finisher at the rim and can not do much off the dribble.