He wants Manchester United to have mainly fans from Manchester? So, he doesn't want United to be a top club?
Samuel Luckhurst - Should he be fired?
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The Schweini vs Lingard thing is between a young, local lad who's scored some important goals for the club and a washed up, former megastar - signed on collossal wages - who's contributed next to feck all. And the former is hated on, while the latter became a **** hero. It's a weird phenomenon which he's spot on about.
Seen them and commented on them already. As I said, if that's the very worst this twitter witch-hunt can dig up then this thread is even more absurd than I first thought. Sackable offence, my hole.
I don't believe that Luckhurst is racist at all. I do think his attitude to foreign fans is slightly xenephobic though which imo needed to be addressed. Football's a worldwide sport, and we should be proud of the diverse nature of our fan base I think. There's nothing to be achieved by alienating a large section of fans based on nationality.
I know mate. Like you get all these lefty types whinging about wealthy foreigners buying up all the housing stock in London and pricing erstwhile locals out of the boroughs. Racist bastards the lot of them.
Yeah there's enough reason to dislike the 'journalist' already. I can see the argument why it's a bit unwise to call him a racist straightaway. Similarly it's odd to attack the attempt like its blasphemous.
It's not a weird phenomenon, it happens that United fans are football fans and they have affection for a player that they admired even though he wasn't playing for United. There is little romance around Lingard because he is a 24 years old player who has achieved very little with and without the club and he is still talked as if he was 20 years old.
If Lingard does what Schweinsteiger did and play a big part in Football he will be revered, until then he won't.
Believe me, to a lot of fans (me included) this phenomenon of having affection for players who don't play for the club you support is weird.
He can have his opinion but this bloke constantly states his opinions as facts so it's hard to take him seriously when he complains about 'post euro 96' 'nu fans' [his own words] when he has no experience of what it was like before. In fact surely he would class as a post 96 nu fan just by age.
The people who largely complain about the gentrification of football so to speak have been banging this drum for twenty years. Of course to some it's gentrification, for others it's globalization. There's no right or wrong and I doubt young Samuel was lambasting the lack of atmosphere and tribalism on the way to a game after school had finished.
Meaning?
And those fans are weird because you can't be a fan of Manchester United without being fan of Football in general. That's a ridiculous notion.
That's stupid. Being a fan of United also makes you a fan of football. Being a fan of football means it's perfectly natural to be a fan of great football players around the world. If anything it's you who is weird for not understanding it.
Comparing football clubs to restaurants and such like business ventures is an entirely flawed premise.
Yeah pretty much this.
Idiots taking snipes at the "not understanding the globalisation of the sport" comment 
As an example I had a discussion with a mod plus a Spurs fan on here, they both put forth claims of how I can't be a proper fan but rather a gloryhunter that doesn't understand football or rivalries.
Their reasoning besides my age was that I am Norwegian and therefore can't be a real fan, and me taking digs at other clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool etc. was idiotic since I hadn't grown up with the rivalries in England and couldn't understand them.
Does that make them xenophobic or racist? Like feck it does. What it does make them though are one of those stereotypical condescending fans with a very narrow mindset, much like your grandpa that sits in his rocking chair and talks about how everything was better back in the good'ol days.
Fecking mass hysteria here is ridiculous. Calling for Luckhurst to be sacked, ffs.
As an example I had a discussion with a mod plus a Spurs fan on here, they both put forth claims of how I can't be a proper fan but rather a gloryhunter that doesn't understand football or rivalries.
Their reasoning besides my age was that I am Norwegian and therefore can't be a real fan, and me taking digs at other clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool etc. was idiotic since I hadn't grown up with the rivalries in England and couldn't understand them.
Does that make them xenophobic or racist? Like feck it does. What it does make them though are one of those stereotypical condescending fans with a very narrow mindset, much like your grandpa that sits in his rocking chair and talks about how everything was better back in the good'ol days.
Fecking mass hysteria here is ridiculous. Calling for Luckhurst to be sacked, ffs.
You havent admired or have affection for the likes of ronaldinho or messi in the past?
You're correct. It should be held to a higher standard since it has a rare element of being able to unite all races and creeds in terms of support and enjoyment. An Asian fan is no less of a fan due to what area he was born in.
Then again it has been said time and time and time and time again that football isn't dealing with its racist elements and this thread shows us why.
He tweeted this out remember, this isn't a leak or some invasion of privacy. This is Luckhurst standing up in a bus and yelling out there's too many foreigners in here. It's his own fault the plank.
Edit not saying I want him sacked, just calling him out for being the idiot he is.
Agree. And I like the grandpa reference, there are a few grandpas here.Idiots taking snipes at the "not understanding the globalisation of the sport" comment
As an example I had a discussion with a mod plus a Spurs fan on here, they both put forth claims of how I can't be a proper fan but rather a gloryhunter that doesn't understand football or rivalries.
Their reasoning besides my age was that I am Norwegian and therefore can't be a real fan, and me taking digs at other clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool etc. was idiotic since I hadn't grown up with the rivalries in England and couldn't understand them.
Does that make them xenophobic or racist? Like feck it does. What it does make them though are one of those stereotypical condescending fans with a very narrow mindset, much like your grandpa that sits in his rocking chair and talks about how everything was better back in the good'ol days.
Fecking mass hysteria here is ridiculous. Calling for Luckhurst to be sacked, ffs.
Having affection for opposition players is weird. Respecting their ability or liking how they play is one thing but having genuine affection for some Bayern player is bizarre. As a football supporter I admire hundreds of players around the world but I don't actually feel affection for any of them unless they've played for United or Ireland. There's no connection.
The BFS love from United supporters is a perfect example. The man came to United on huge money and clearly treated the whole thing as a bit of fun. Gained weight, followed his girlfriend around the tennis tour and as Pogue pointed out did basically nothing for the club on the pitch. Yet he was treated like a god by supporters. Lingard's an average player but he's done a lot more for us and cared a lot more about the club than Bastian. It would make a lot more sense for people to feel some affection for him than some mercenary who came to the club for an easy payday.
Have I got this wrong, or is this basically a thread hating on a person and trying to get them sacked just because they claimed we aren't signing a player?
Has it gone uphill or downhill? Only, I'm not sure it's really possible to sink any lower than that as a starting point.
Luchurst's use of the term fanboy in his articles annoys me. Take some pride in your writing ffs
You're probably the 99th person coming into the thread with this post to start with.
And that's why I said admire and not affection, Pogue used the word affection. And even then, Schweinsteiger played for United, people who admired him for 10 years could have some affection for a former United player.
In his defense, the guy is annoyingly helpful with lineup predictions.
Has Cuckhurst not been axed yet?
So lists are his life
...but, by the time MEN finally loads, the match is over.
I admired him as a player but ended up disliking him after his time here because he didn't put the effort in. Most supporters seemed to love him no matter how little he did. At least Jesse was trying
Well rightly so. It's beyond pathetic.
Maybe, whether or not Luckhurst is racist doesnt really interest me so I didnt bother following the thread.
That's your prerogative, you do what you want with your feelings and others will do the same.
How many people actually signed a petition to get him fired?
Well that's not really the point of the thread, perhaps you should read it first before calling everyone in it with a different view to you pathetic. The grievance isn't with him claiming we aren't in for Fabinho.
The perpetually offended are out in full force, sinking their teeth into their latest victim and feeding off their demise. Must be exhausting.
It isn't racist but it is fecking ridiculous tho.
Precisely.
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