Prefer Davids myself, not much in it mind.
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Really depends what you want to do. I'm looking at a team based on permutations between 3-4-3, 3-5-2, or 4-4-2 diamond subject to oppo/injuries so Davids is clearly a better fit at LCM.
I'm with Aldo there. Even with diamond I'll pick Redondo first at the base then look at Davids at LCM.
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Just a little look at CL knockouts of 98-99 and 99-00 seasons will end this silly wind up.
I already had Davids fitting all three options. Was sorely tempted by Redondo at the base of that one option, but then, Nesta was my alternative suiting all other three. It was never a Davids vs. Redondo decision but Nesta vs. Redondo one.
Even now in the replacement I had to make that choice once again and picked a non-WC winning defender.
Have had more than a little look, but no I'd still go with Davids myself. Like I said though not much in it.
You must have missed the semi final where he couldn't hold a 2-0 lead at home in a three man midfield with a prime Zidane and Deschamps and was put in a blender by a Roy Keane juggernaut, who along with Redondo is in a tier above.
No, have watched the match before, but I'd personally have Keane, Davids and Redondo in that order.
Which box did you pick Davids from, instead of Seedorf? With Stam already there Redondo would fit quite nicely as IMO the CB pool is a bit bigger than top notch DM's(especially stoppers).
Would love to hear the reasoning behind it.
First one, more than 6 clubs.
Agree RT has upgraded his team there thanks to Skizzo.
Guess the outcome.
funny you mention that game because Davids was fantastic against us, comfortably the best player in Juve shirt.
Good for him, but given that team that year, and the year before, yet landing a series of disappointments in the biggest competition when you are at the heart of the game doesn't quite put him in the greatest light. There's literally head to head evidence of the players in question here, and he doesn't have any excuse of being in the lesser team, that Juve team was better on paper than both Madrid and United teams those years.
Don't get me wrong, he's a fantastic player and one who provides more than most other CMs, but he falls short when it comes to the absolute best.
Might be intentional as it was 99% sure that Skizzo would pick that box, so sacrificing Ruggeri would make sense and also end up in pretty good box to get a replacement.
Real win the match through an incredibly flukey offside goal despite being the worse team?
He wouldn't have had to drop Redondo had he picked him tho, coz he didn't win a WC. He would have had one extra player now from the default pool in addition, so I doubt he had Skizzo's card in mind, probably just thought of him now.
Obviously, I envy him a lot. Few things ever give me more joy than that glorious man dominating a midfield with that grace and panache. Give me a midfield of Redondo, Xavi and Iniesta and don't wake me up.
1-0 with an offside goal?Guess the outcome.
Real won, but I'd say Davids outperformed him on that day, as too did Mijatovic and Hierro (who was the MOTM imo, apparently Redondo was the MOTM, which I have to disagree with)Guess the outcome.
As opposed to Juve who as usual choked at the biggest game.
yeah but had to drop one of Stam/Seedorf/Batistuta and easily Ruggeri is the worst out of that lot.He wouldn't have had to drop Redondo had he picked him tho, coz he didn't win a WC. He would have had one extra player now from the default pool in addition, so I doubt he had Skizzo's card in mind, probably just thought of him now.
Obviously, I envy him a lot. Few things ever give me more joy than that glorious man dominating a midfield with that grace and panache. Give me a midfield of Redondo, Xavi and Iniesta and don't wake me up.
On the second para I agree. Redondo/Xavi/Iniesta also trumps Rijkaard/Xavi/Iniesta in terms of style in a possession team. Pretty much THE perfect midfield.
Well, probably won't work that great in fairness. Can't see Redondo dovetailing well with Xavi-Iniesta, or at least not as well as Busquets anyway.
A so called elite CM in that team with that kind of midfield and attack should drive his team to a win, not sulk at a 1-0 loss. Real were the worse team, because they were obviously not a match to that Juve team especially in midfield. Yet Juve couldn't beat them.
Why do you reckon so? IMO Busquets and Redondo are pretty comparable in terms of style, with Redondo being the better player in almost every category.
That's a stupid way of looking at that game. Even more idiotic if you want to draw conclusions from the result about the performances of Redondo and Davids in it. Davids played better and the ref gifted Redondo's team the win.
I'd agree with that, but then Bayern also was the better team in the 99 final. Football, bloody hell.
You can't extrapolate a game result into X>Y just like that.
Nah it would be absolutely unplayable.
Same reason I picked Nesta. If I survived it great, if I didn't he was insurance against dropping tactically more important players while repicking from a great box.
It boils down to being able to have the same option with Nesta and Ruggeri (the upside being Nesta also insured Stam/Seedorf if needs be). Only explanation is he got a bout of Stobzilitis with them big nasty defenders.
aye. We could've also picked another dummy player to protect Iniesta, but with the replacement in mind don't think we'll lose in terms of quality.
Its a team sport, you cant judge individuals on the success of their teams even though that method is getting more and more popular in this day and age......even if Davids lost a specific battle against someone that doesnt mean he is the lesser player, just means on that day the player got better of him and every player in history was 100+ times in that situation.
Both are fantastic, just depends what qualities you need in your team...for some teams Davids is better, for others is Redondo.
Don't see him complementing Xavi well stylistically tbh, Redondo did like to dictate play and liked to carry the ball and utilise his long-range passing. I can't see him playing the supporting role to Xavi, or at least not as well as Busquets imo.
'Played better', alright except he had a superior team at his disposal, especially the midfield and he wasn't able to get the win? Thats the difference between the great and greatest. It's obviously a team sport and one man cannot win alone but some have the capability of elevating those around them, and some don't. The next year when Juve bottled a 2-0 lead at home in the semi, it was a fantastic team effort by United obviously but there's no doubt in anyone's mind that Keane led that team like few others could have done, both through his own performance and rallying the entire team despite knowing the opposition contains superior players (Zidane was fresh of a WC win and being heralded as the best player in the world and what not), but are also leading 2-0 which is a huge mountain to climb. It's what I expect from someone who wants to be rated amongst the best of all time.
Agreed.
Exactly, I couldn't help but let out a chuckle when he posted that formation pic of that match
Not denying that as I said above, and Davids is in the top 10-15 CMs of all time himself, but you can't really deny those disappointments Juve had despite the team they had, and Davids along with a few others would be held accountable, as he was one of the most important players in the team.
And that's not even Redondo's best CL campaign.
Agreed.
While this is a fun argument where on earth is @NM
Thought I wouldn't fall for the obvious wind up but I live to serve the maestro, for life.
Agree with Joga about Redondo/Busquets, it would be almost impossible to find a better fit for Xavi/Iniesta then Busquets. Technically supreme and yet so selfless on the ball...