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Fellaini | Mou: "It's easier for Galatasaray to get me than Marouane. He is too important to me."
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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When a manager has a 29 year old utility player whose game is mostly workrate then he will have to make a decision whether to keep him or let him go, especially if he's got 1 year left in his contract. SAF did the same with Nicky Butt and Phil Neville who left United in very similar circumstances.
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I was texting via mobile which makes it very difficult to go in detail in what I think.
In my opinion, Matic will be a centre piece of Mou's midfield. He knows Mou's system inside out and is the typical holding midfielder Mou likes to have around. Matic cant be our only DM so we'll probably bring someone whose younger, whose ready to accept the bench and whose salary reflects that role. Leander seems to fit the bill
As box to box we already have Herrera whose magnificent in the role. Matic-Herrera will be the ideal partnership in a 4-2-3-1 system. The former is an experienced DM who will close the gap between defence and midfield. Herrera's workrate and quality makes him the ideal player to win the ball, disrupt the opponent's game and move the ball forward. Carrick will be Herrera's cover. He's not like for like as Carrick is more of a deep lying playmaker. Having said that, while Carrick's defensive duties are mostly over, he can still be a valid player in a Pirlo's role. I can see us play Carrick with Leander (the latter providing the legwork) and Matic with Herrera.
Pogba will be given a free role, flirting between the most advanced midfielder in a 4-3-3 system or as a no 10 in a 4-2-3-1 system. Mata and Mkhitaryan will act as a more conventional no 10.
Of course things can change if Periera start scoring goals then I can see him play as no 10 especially if Pogba cant deliver the goods on that
Wait til January. If United are still clearly lacking in this area make a big swoop for Crouchy.
He 'does a job', is a 'decent plan B', and 'works hard for the team," etc...
please, let it be true. please, let it be true.
So question is should we keep him for the upcoming edition of the Champions League?
Is his name not Jesse?Jesse
Do you know him personally?
We're very thin in midfield. Are 2 midfielders coming in if Fellaini is off?
Do you usually call players by their first names? Not just call him Lingard, no.Is his name not Jesse?
If this does turn out to be true I guess it can't be that much of a surprise given we only executed the additional 1 year on his contract rather than renegotiated a longer deal
I think he's a useful player to have but I guess people would rather we beat teams with super sexy attacking football than using tactics like Fellaini v Ajax. He's had some good moments for us under LVG and Jose and no one can take those away even if you are under the opinion he shouldn't have been at the club in the first place
I think he's a useful player to have but I guess people would rather we beat teams with super sexy attacking football than using tactics like Fellaini v Ajax. He's had some good moments for us under LVG and Jose and no one can take those away even if you are under the opinion he shouldn't have been at the club in the first place
We call Ibrahimovic "Zlatan", we call Mata "Juan", we call Mourinho "Jose".... none of us know them, what's the difference?
absolute bollocks. Herrera is one of the first names on the team, and rightfully so. Look at the difference in playtime:
and though he made 2 appearances less than Fellaini in the Europa (likely to rest), he still had considerably more playing time than Fellaini in that competition.
Except the last part this is too sensible to happen. I won't dare to believe until I see it.
I guess we should have all called Rafael and Fabio R. Da Silva and F. Da Silva
. Unless its only fashionable for non British players.I always liked P. Neville myself. Underrated in comparison to his brother G. Neville.I guess we should have all called Rafael and Fabio R. Da Silva and F. Da Silva
Fellaini deserves credit for sticking to his task and not letting his head drop. He's actually got a pretty good mentality to be honest. He's also scored some crucial goals, scoring in 3 semi finals in a row is a very good achievement and he can be proud of helping us win some trophies recently.
He's just not very good though. His techincal ability is so low, we are never going to play good football regularly if he is in the team. We just aren't.
He's not the sort of player I want to see starting games week in week out for Utd, especially not in a position as crucial as central midfield. I really hope he goes.
He's just not very good though. His techincal ability is so low, we are never going to play good football regularly if he is in the team. We just aren't.
He's not the sort of player I want to see starting games week in week out for Utd, especially not in a position as crucial as central midfield. I really hope he goes.
Reasonable analysis, actually. G.Nev was one of the most consistent defenders defensively a full back United have had in years, but he was VERY average technically, and his passing under pressure just fell to bits. Although his crossing did improve a lot around the time he hit 30.
Just don't be calling him Gary. You don't know him like that.
We'll sign a midfielder regardless (probably Matic) and Perreira is also added to the squad this year we will be fine.I'm amazed some people actually think there's a chance we sell him without adding another midfielder
I don't. I just don't. Although I did, randomly, once work with one of his school friends. Good cricketer, apparently.
We can sell if we sign two mids, otherwise no.
Matic and Barkley??
Matic and Barkley??
No objections from me there, just not sure how likely it is that we are going to sign two. Before the summer I was hoping for 2 midfield players with Fellaini leaving.
In what world is there more of a chance of us selling Herrera?
If we remove Fellaini and replace with Matic it's a clear upgrade, and doesn't impede Perrieria from getting game time.
Best all round, Fellaini has had 4 years here, worked hard but generally played out of position. A 4 year contract would give him a good final pay day.
It's world cup year, he needs to be playing regularly if he wants to be going to Russia.
Best all round, Fellaini has had 4 years here, worked hard but generally played out of position. A 4 year contract would give him a good final pay day.
It's world cup year, he needs to be playing regularly if he wants to be going to Russia.
Omg praying!!
Nowhere near United quality
Matic and Donkadonk?
Isn't it Galatasaray? Maybe we get 15M from them. That's still very good value with Fellaini turning 30 a couple of months into this season. He seems like he'll age okay with his strength and fitness being good, but if he loses a step and can't pass, it's hard to think of any slow midfielder who can't pass really helping a team. He's up to 485 pro games (Belgium + Club) and has 11 seasons under his belt. It wouldn't be a shock if next year, age 31, is his last season at his usual level.
Decimated might be a bit strong. Pogba has it all and Herrera is reasonably quick for a CM and though he isn't that strong he's got decent height and does put in a tackle. Only Blind is slow and kind of weak, and there are a lot of DMs who compensate for that issue.
I don't think he should be first choice there for us, but I'm fine with him as 2nd choice there next year if Carrick retires.
It is Galatasary, the bid is rumoured to be £10m.
To be fair, despite all the criticism from fans, Fellaini has been a good sport.
He was a Sunday league player in first few seasons. His improvement has been great over the last 12 Months which elevates him to the status of a limited player for a lesser team or league.
He was a Sunday league player in first few seasons. His improvement has been great over the last 12 Months which elevates him to the status of a limited player for a lesser team or league.
Not his biggest fan so would be glad to see him leave. He just reminds me of Moyes' season too much and he is a liability at times.
However our midfield is already lacking numbers I'm not quite sure why we would sell him now.
However our midfield is already lacking numbers I'm not quite sure why we would sell him now.
Something very likeable about Fellaini despite his connection to the Voldemoyes era. Would be happy to see him stay as a squad player to give the likes of Pogba and Herrera a rest in less important games next season. He's defo nowhere near a first XI player for big important games but it would be nice seeing him once in a while in FA Cup games etc kicking lumps out of opposition while popping up with important headers. He's as good as it gets for defending set pieces and happy to put his body (and hair) on the line
Hopefully means a deal for a midfielder is close.
I'm sorry that you think that.Wishing Fellaini would stay just so it'd piss people off, rather than actually bringing in a higher quality midfielder says a lot about you.
I'm not a fan of Fellaini but we should reject that, obviously. In this market especially he is worth at least double, if not more. Added to the fact that we need numbers.
I would even pay them to take him.
Nah. I'd be happy if we paid that for him to leave.
Yes, let's chuck money away then pay 50 for Matic. We need to be sensible. Ideally we get some cash and sign 2 midfielders.
Although I would not miss him stinking up our passing through the thirds I would certainly credit Fellaini with displaying good character.
He is obviously very aware of fan opinion but has been resilient in spite of this and contributed some big moments in the moderate success we have had post-Fergie.
FA Cup semi goal against Everton.
His part in Mata's goal in the final.
Late goal in EFL Cup semi 1st leg vs Hull
Scoring what proved to be the winning goal in EL semi vs Celta Vigo
His role in the EL final.
His part in Rooney and Zlatan late goals vs Liverpool.
The period in LVG's first season when he was playing in tandem with Young and Blind in an impressive run of performances and results, including a goal in a convincing 4-2 against City.
He is obviously very aware of fan opinion but has been resilient in spite of this and contributed some big moments in the moderate success we have had post-Fergie.
FA Cup semi goal against Everton.
His part in Mata's goal in the final.
Late goal in EFL Cup semi 1st leg vs Hull
Scoring what proved to be the winning goal in EL semi vs Celta Vigo
His role in the EL final.
His part in Rooney and Zlatan late goals vs Liverpool.
The period in LVG's first season when he was playing in tandem with Young and Blind in an impressive run of performances and results, including a goal in a convincing 4-2 against City.
I would certainly hold my hands up as being one of the pitchfork wielding mob for most of his time here, but I can appreciate how professionally he's dealt with it, and understand how people would find four years of it obnoxious and counterproductive. His performance in the Europa final went a long way to placating my ingrained bias against him. Even to the extent of finding it mildly admirable and endearing.
All that said, the problem goes well beyond him and his specific performances at this point. He's become a totem for everything that's gone wrong in the post-Fergie years, fairly or not. I've no doubt we'd only find another whipping boy if he left, but even though my feelings toward him have thawed somewhat, I still think he needs to go, if only to provide some admittedly nonsensical symbolic catharsis.
If you wanted to get needlessly introspective, you could claim that the Treble winning fledglings and the Rooney-Ronaldo double winners needed to lose the likes of Cantona and Ruud respectively to truly come into their own. This is kinda like the low rent straight to video SyFy channel Asylum bootleg version of that.
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