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[robinamicrowave]

You'd have thought Bran might tell Sansa something productive instead of inducing some PTSD in her. Bit of a dick move that was.

Bran playing this miserable freak with the entire world's knowledge stuffed in his brain, to the point where it blocks his emotions entirely, is gonna be fecking funny and hard to take seriously. Isaac's having to do the opposite of acting and it's gonna be difficult for him to do it without making me laugh - it's like every movement he makes is dragged down by all this shit flying round his skull.


"I cannot talk to you today, Sansa, my dear sister, I have too much thinking to do. And too much staring off into space as well. Do leave me be."

 

[bucky]

When she said "That's not you." to Nymeria I took that to mean she was referring to herself too, as well as a callback to the scene with Ned in season 1.

She's not domesticated, she's off on her own.

Really don't think so. Would be pleasantly surprised, if they do that.

 

[Cheesy]

Bran playing this miserable freak with the entire world's knowledge stuffed in his brain, to the point where it blocks his emotions entirely, is gonna be fecking funny and hard to take seriously. Isaac's having to do the opposite of acting and it's gonna be difficult for him to do it without making me laugh - it's like every movement he makes is dragged down by all this shit flying round his skull.

Aye, he's pretty much been on some super-strength LSD.

 

[Paxi]

Bran been smoking them trees.

 

[Paxi]

Also hate the way Bran just said oh I need to speak with Jon. Like common you'd tell her straight away that he's an heir to throne and bloody Targaryan.

 

[Globule]

Best episode of the season. I still have some gripes with the time-travel - Euron's fleet just appearing out of nowhere was a bit frustrating - but apart from that I think it was a great episode, with some of the best exchanges for a while.

Olenna's death was magnificent. The perfect death for that character.

Does anyone else feel that perhaps Ser Jorah's greyscale hasn't been fully healed and that Sam signed his own death warrant with that handshake?

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Best episode of the season. I still have some gripes with the time-travel - Euron's fleet just appearing out of nowhere was a bit frustrating - but apart from that I think it was a great episode, with some of the best exchanges for a while.

Olenna's death was magnificent. The perfect death for that character.

Does anyone else feel that perhaps Ser Jorah's greyscale hasn't been fully healed and that Sam signed his own death warrant with that handshake?

Nah, Sam is end-game full plot armor by this point. Even by GoT standards.

 

[Globule]

Nah, Sam is end-game full plot armor by this point. Even by GoT standards.

You're probably right, and that hand shake was just supposed to show Jorah regaining his freedom from the disease. But I couldn't help but wonder when it happened.


Oh man, I just can't get over how badass Lady Olenna's death was. That whole scene was amazing. "He really was a cnut".

 

[Runner]

Shame about Olenna. Was one of the best characters on the show. Savage to the very end.

Edit: Thinking about it now. Olenna admitting that she killed Joffrey absolves Tyrion for Jamie and Cercei. I'm interested to see what implication this might have for future episodes.

 

[Globule]

Shame about Olenna. Was one of the best characters on the show. Savage to the very end.

Edit: Thinking about it now. Olenna admitting that she killed Joffrey absolves Tyrion for Jamie and Cercei. I'm interested to see what implication this might have for future episodes.

Probably none. Jamie thought he was innocent already, so that changes little with him, and Cersei always hated him.

Plus he did go ahead and kill Tywin.

 

[Eboue]

You'd have thought Bran might tell Sansa something productive instead of inducing some PTSD in her. Bit of a dick move that was.

 

[Eboue]

Pardon me for being in command of reason and logic.

there are dragons and people come back from the dead

 

[Runner]

Probably none. Jamie thought he was innocent already, so that changes little with him, and Cersei always hated him.

Plus he did go ahead and kill Tywin.

That's true but it might affect Jaime's perception of Cercei. Olenna made a point of telling him that she was his blind spot and a disease. I have a gut feeling that Jaime will kill Cercei eventually. Completing his full circle from King killer > his redemption ark > to killing the Queen. Who knows though

 

[RDCR07]

The trailer for the next episode looks so tasty

 

[RDCR07]

That's true but it might affect Jaime's perception of Cercei. Olenna made a point of telling him that she was his blind spot and a disease. I have a gut feeling that Jaime will kill Cercei eventually. Completing his full circle from King killer > his redemption ark > to killing the Queen. Who knows though

He is going to become the King and the Queen slayer?

 

[RDCR07]

When she said "That's not you." to Nymeria I took that to mean she was referring to herself too, as well as a callback to the scene with Ned in season 1.

She's not domesticated, she's off on her own.

From next weeks trailer:

Spoiler

she is seen standing outside of winter fell in her horse. She is coming home.

 

[Pscholes18]

Good episode...Cersi has got to be one of the most hated characters ever....she's an evil cnut yet many don't seem to care....Dany is getting her ass kicked...out manuvered at every turn...all she has left are the Dothraki and her dragons. Olenna is gonna Olenna...she crushed it until the very end.

 

[Pscholes18]

He is going to become the King and the Queen slayer?

If the prophecy is t be believed...Jaime is younger than she is.

 

[Pscholes18]

When she said "That's not you." to Nymeria I took that to mean she was referring to herself too, as well as a callback to the scene with Ned in season 1.

She's not domesticated, she's off on her own.

This is correct.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

there are dragons and people come back from the dead

And giants, and ice monster, never forget

Original response.

 

[Pscholes18]

Did Olenna hint to Jaime that she knew he was Joffreys father?

 

[KM]

Tremendous episode. That last scene with Tyrell and Jaime was incredible.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

It was not Jaimes idea to take high garden, cercei promised the iron banks gold remember?

 

[Runner]

He is going to become the King and the Queen slayer?

That's been my speculation for a few years. I'm not a book reader (yet) so im not aware if this is even possible or hinted at in the books.

 

[Red Stone]

there are dragons and people come back from the dead

I hate this argument. At least they've been consistent about the existence of dragons and white walkers and all that. There's seemingly no consistency to travel time or logic at this point. Arya's entire arc in the first seasons was travelling a fairly short distance. Meanwhile Varys can pretty much be in King's Landing, Dorne and Essos in the same episode. Euron not only has Varys' teleportation magic, but can bring his entire fleet of ships with him as well. It makes no sense.

The same with the sieges. The sieges of Storm's End and Riverrun took ages and ages while Jaime just rides up to Highgarden with the Lannister army and the next moment the entire Tyrell army is dead.

It's a fantasy show so there will be magic and fantastical creatures, but the same set of physical rules need to apply to all players of the game. They can't just go "Oh feck, Dany's going to take over Westeros whenever she wants now and the only way this will remain even remotely interesting is if we allow this fleet and this massive army to just magically appear wherever is convenient for them". That's extremely shitty and lazy writing, and if they were good at writing, they could have worked their way around it easily.

There's a story about why the scenes from Dorne in season 5 were so shit a few pages back and it tells me that Benioff and Weiss are actually pretty incompetent compared to how successful the show has been. The first seasons were great because of the impeccable source material and the show continues to be good because it has some amazing directing talent like Sapochnik and an enormous budget to keep producing impressive episodes, but it's becoming very apparent who the weak links in the production are now that the source material isn't there to support them. It's the showrunners and main writers.

 

[Klopper76]

You'd have thought Bran might tell Sansa something productive instead of inducing some PTSD in her. Bit of a dick move that was.

Bran seemed like he was in a dark place. It's probably best if none of the other characters speak to him from now on.

 

[van der star]

Davos introducing Jon after he looked at him awkwardly was hilarious.

 

[Sky1981]

Did Olenna hint to Jaime that she knew he was Joffreys father?

Everybody knows that, it's the hair. Baratheon have dark hair and Joffrey was a blond.

GRR martin is having a dig at the royal family subtly

 

[McLovin]

Loved that ep.

Tyron using Bronn's 'give me 10 of your finest men and we'll impregnate this bitch' was superb.

 

[Jagga7]

Best episode so far. Lady Olenna's death was brilliantly done, her exchange with Jamie was in true keeping with her character and with the show. Ever since they've gone away from the books I felt the writing of the show has gone to crap but that scene was masterfully done.

Tyrion is proving to be a shit hand of the queen. He's been outsmarted each step of the way so far. It's about time the dragons were used in full effect.

 

[Solius]

Thought that was pretty good! Olenna was f*cking roasting Jaime at the end there. Great character.

Why's Bran so creepy all of a sudden? Everyone seems to creep on Sansa.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Olenna and Tywin were probably two of the best actors the show had. The TV series won't feel the same without either.

 

[dumbo]

I thought it was very good overall. Characters were actually allowed space to breath and it didn't hinder plot progression. The hoary ideas and off pitch dialogue were kept to a minimum - or at least they were less noticeable. The story plotting at this stage seems pretty free-form, often silly and slightly contradictory but if they honour the spirit of the characters as they did here on the whole, then I really don't care. I think you can get away with Tyrion building a big secret hole in an impenetrable fortress if the lives and motivations of the characters are worth investing in. Here they were. The Dany and Jon scenes had a few clunky moments but also some really good ones (I was surprised). I like the pirate guy; that type of wild vulgarity has been missing from the show. The final scene was very nice, reminding us that Jamie had an interesting dynamic once.

It was unusual in this iteration of the show to see so many of the better actors given extended screen time to act, rather than just show up. Tyrion, Davos, Jamie, Varys, Olenna. Even little finger got more than a sneery look. More of this.

My only strong dislike is having Cersie forever having to top her previous levels of villainy in the style of the Saw films, where deminishing returns meet elaborately contrived empty sadism. Yawn.

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

I hate this argument. At least they've been consistent about the existence of dragons and white walkers and all that. There's seemingly no consistency to travel time or logic at this point. Arya's entire arc in the first seasons was travelling a fairly short distance. Meanwhile Varys can pretty much be in King's Landing, Dorne and Essos in the same episode. Euron not only has Varys' teleportation magic, but can bring his entire fleet of ships with him as well. It makes no sense.

The same with the sieges. The sieges of Storm's End and Riverrun took ages and ages while Jaime just rides up to Highgarden with the Lannister army and the next moment the entire Tyrell army is dead.

It's a fantasy show so there will be magic and fantastical creatures, but the same set of physical rules need to apply to all players of the game. They can't just go "Oh feck, Dany's going to take over Westeros whenever she wants now and the only way this will remain even remotely interesting is if we allow this fleet and this massive army to just magically appear wherever is convenient for them". That's extremely shitty and lazy writing, and if they were good at writing, they could have worked their way around it easily.

There's a story about why the scenes from Dorne in season 5 were so shit a few pages back and it tells me that Benioff and Weiss are actually pretty incompetent compared to how successful the show has been. The first seasons were great because of the impeccable source material and the show continues to be good because it has some amazing directing talent like Sapochnik and an enormous budget to keep producing impressive episodes, but it's becoming very apparent who the weak links in the production are now that the source material isn't there to support them. It's the showrunners and main writers.

Sums up a lot of my feelings right now, really enjoying the season so far but they are making it really difficult to be blown away and enjoy it to the fullest, and its a shame because its nothing to do with the acting or the way the plots going, they've just managed to take a lot of satisfaction away from elements of the story from bad writing.

Like fair enough, in a pure power battle Dany would have come to westeros and just annihilated her enemies and it wouldnt have made for a compelling watch, so they levelled the playing field a bit, with smart alliances with randyl tarly and Dany having to play a more tactful game in order to not "rule over the ashes" which is all great. But it feels like they are artificially bolstering the lannisters to take things down to the wire, however their writing and the time frame in which they've done it doesn't feel natural, it feels very villian level mary sueish

 

[Sky1981]

I thought it was very good overall. Characters were actually allowed space to breath and it didn't hinder plot progression. The hoary ideas and off pitch dialogue were kept to a minimum - or at least they were less noticeable. The story plotting at this stage seems pretty free-form, often silly and slightly contradictory but if they honour the spirit of the characters as they did here on the whole, then I really don't care. I think you can get away with Tyrion building a big secret hole in an impenetrable fortress if the lives and motivations of the characters are worth investing in. Here they were. The Dany and Jon scenes had a few clunky moments but also some really good ones (I was surprised). I like the pirate guy; that type of wild vulgarity has been missing from the show. The final scene was very nice, reminding us that Jamie had an interesting dynamic once.

It was unusual in this iteration of the show to see so many of the better actors given extended screen time to act, rather than just show up. Tyrion, Davos, Jamie, Varys, Olenna. Even little finger got more than a sneery look. More of this.

My only strong dislike is having Cersie forever having to top her previous levels of villainy in the style of the Saw films, where deminishing returns meet elaborately contrived empty sadism. Yawn.

Tbf to cersei she lost her son, daughter, son, all in gruesome way, she's marched naked and spit on, hard to say anyone of us wouldn't change after enduring all that.

 

[AshRK]

Solid episode. The dialogues were tremendous and acting by everyone was great. Although, felt Jon's acting was a bit underwhelming. I didn't feel the same magic when jon met dany like I felt when tyrion met dany in season 5.

Other than that, every scene was well done. Jamie is a wonderful character and cercei showed she is a real badass. Suron/Jamie exchange were gold and same with ollena/Jamie. So far team cercei is winning. All Danny's allies are mostly gone. Time to fly the dragons now.

My only concern is hopefully tyrion doesn't become a after thought now, considering his plan just was outsmarted by cercei/Jamie/euron. His character needs to be always involved and not just be interacting with missandei .

 

[van der star]

Anyone else thinks Jon and Tyrion might be the other two dragon riders, of the three headed dragon?

 

[Sphaero]

I hate this argument. At least they've been consistent about the existence of dragons and white walkers and all that. There's seemingly no consistency to travel time or logic at this point. Arya's entire arc in the first seasons was travelling a fairly short distance. Meanwhile Varys can pretty much be in King's Landing, Dorne and Essos in the same episode. Euron not only has Varys' teleportation magic, but can bring his entire fleet of ships with him as well. It makes no sense.

Euron was never shown at Casterly Rock nor was it implied that his whole fleet was at Kings Landing. The ships that attacked Greyworms fleet sure as hell were not the whole armada. It is entierely plausible that this was actually the Greyjoy home fleet stationed in Pyke, which is geographically close to the Western coast and thus near Casterly Rock.

The same with the sieges. The sieges of Storm's End and Riverrun took ages and ages while Jaime just rides up to Highgarden with the Lannister army and the next moment the entire Tyrell army is dead.

Both Castles you mentioned have heavy natural defenses (Storms End ist positioned on a cliff, shielded from three sides and Riverrun is even completely surrounded by water and only accessable via a draw bridge) that Highgarden lacks. The Tyrells also had their most important bannerman turned against them, a bannerman that was said just in the last episode to have a leading character amongst the smaller houses of the reach, which makes it likely that the other houses also turned with the Tarlys.

The Tyrells were completely outnumbered in a castle, which was never mentioned as some kind of heavy fortress.

 

[dumbo]

Like fair enough, in a pure power battle Dany would have come to westeros and just annihilated her enemies and it wouldnt have made for a compelling watch, so they levelled the playing field a bit, with smart alliances with randyl tarly and Dany having to play a more tactful game in order to not "rule over the ashes" which is all great. But it feels like they are artificially bolstering the lannisters to take things down to the wire, however their writing and the time frame in which they've done it doesn't feel natural, it feels very villian level mary sueish

I think that had been too obvious of late. The dragons promised unparalleled power and destruction but that was balanced by their temperamental natures and unweildiness. That strength/weakness double edgedness provides a natural tension and makes things unpredictable. Checkov's ballista from the last ep felt unimaginative and artificial to me.

 

[JustAFan]

Also hate the way Bran just said oh I need to speak with Jon. Like common you'd tell her straight away that he's an heir to throne and bloody Targaryan.

He might want to tell Jon first