Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

[shamans]

Barcelona fans must be feeling the same now when United sold Ronaldo to Madrid albeit different circumstances, but you get the drift

PSG fans must be absolutely creaming themselves now over Neymar. I know i would if i am one

They're probably feeling way worse.

We saw Madrid coming. It was Ronnies dream and he really wanted to go play for them. Madrid is club you can mention in the same breath as Manchester United. PSG not really. It's gonna hurt being a Barca fan (and I love that)

 

[ehsanul]

Psg as a brand will never get the recognition because i don't think anybody will have any interest in watching ligue 1 games.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Poor decision by Neymar.

Such a waste of a career.

 

[Brightonian]

If this happens it will make Pogba look like such a bargain. Neymar's an amazing player and everything but he's not that much better than Pogba - probably their ranking amongst world forwards and midfielders respectively is about the same. And yet PSG might pay more than twice as much for Neymar.

 

[prtk0811]

Probably but after the EPL and La Liga it depends on the country and in french speaking countries PSG and Marseille are huge. Remember that your initial point was about Ligue 1 not being a competitor for Serie and Bundesliga when in reality it is.

On a global level it still ain't. Ligue 1 is limited to some areas that's it.

Also the point was neymars global appeal will take a serious hit compared to when he was in Barcelona. He ain't a brand which naturally catches on and become people's favourite like Messi Ronaldo or even zlatans would do.

 

[Ecstatic]

Fair enough, I misunderstood after reading http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40690701 and thinking it referred to literal payments with the selling club's permission, I guess it makes sense though if you make payment for something that will cover you for a number of years that you wouldn't put it all on the first year...

Still, it's all relative, they'll have "amortised" all their other players and it'll take a substantial amount of selling to balance out Neymar. Don't forget the €40m fee going straight to his dad from PSG, that it's more widely said to be a 5 year contract, that some estimates for wages go up to nearly £600k per week after tax, and that should PSG win the Champions League there'll be even bigger outcry about Qatar's immorality which isn't going to be attractive to sponsors (outside of Qatar).

Indeed, the D&A and the OPEX (includ. wages, fees...) related to this acquisition have a big impact on the Net Income.

I've read there is an authorized loss that hasn't to exceed 30 millions per year.

Develop the commercial revenues and sell some players are the 2 mains options in order not to be punished by the UEFA.

 

[SfcNervion]

@SfcNervion great article about the transfer to Barca. Do you know what happened with the latest lawsuit? Did neymar really have to pay around 40m in fines?
Could the transfer be to some extend motivated by this?

@PedroMendez great questions, and I honestly would have wanted to ask you similar questions. I have no idea about what's going on with the latest lawsuit, or whether Neymar really have paid back his fines. But his move to Qatar is definitely a move from all the legal troubles that was about to be caught up with him, I believe. He will be protected at PSG by the Qatar bosses, as long as he manages to be their poster boy, which I believe he will manage gracefully. I would guess it is tough for the authorities in Spain and Brazil to catch him (- and specifically more difficult to catch his father), when he is surronded by the arms of Qatarian power.

And after all, Paris is a big mesmerising beautiful city, as he is going to a club with a big project, with the aim of establishing themselves as one of the big dogs in the Champions League - and he is suppose to be the last pussle that enables it.

I think these reasons in consideration - the qatarian power and protection, being the poster boy of a big project - makes the move lucrative for him and his father. Obviously, the Ligue 1 is not one of the top 3 leagues in Europe, and that is probably the only downside for his transfer, but he can probably live with it. And I guess Neymar Jr and Neymar Sr won't (or can't?) pull off the similar 'stunts' in future contract renewals, as they did with Barcelona. I am guessing that their new boss has too much power to be mess with.

But to be fair, Barcelona (Rosell&Bartomeu&co) brought this on themselves. The desperate need of getting Neymar - i.e. a 'Crack' - made them do some dirty side deals, and those controversial deals gave Neymar and his entourage too much power over the blaugranas, hence why he could get away with giving them a headache by each contract negotiation, as well as with this summer's transfer story. I believe - despite Neymar being one of the world's most wonderful football players - that this is a deal where all three parties are gaining. With Neymar's wages and insane sign on bonuses off from Barcelona, Barca will have room to breath and bring in 1-2 anticipated reinforcments to the midfield. Question is whether it is not too late to find a crack signing for this summer, I doubt there are any clubs left willing to negotiate about their star, now when the season is about to start.

And considering what the rich premier league clubs have done to the market (the transfer prices on Walker, Morata, Lukaku, Mendy, etc. ) any club could easily put the price tag of 120 - 150 million euros on their player, especially when they know Barca have just received 200 million euros.

 

[SirAF]

If this happens it will make Pogba look like such a bargain. Neymar's an amazing player and everything but he's not that much better than Pogba - probably their ranking amongst world forwards and midfielders respectively is about the same. And yet PSG might pay more than twice as much for Neymar.

Yup, the best thing about this is that there won't be much talk about Pogba's fee any more.

 

[shamans]

Poor decision by Neymar.

Such a waste of a career.

It's an excellent decision. This will genuinely give him a chance of winning the player of the year. Neymar is a once in a generation level player. You need a team built around him. With Messi, you can't do that.

 

[Jericholyte2]

If he wins the champions league with PSG that also starts building up the french league.

How so? It will build the brand of PSG sure but all you would need to do is look at the league record and see how competitive the French Ligue is. All it will do is prove that PSG could rest players before the important CL matches.

 

[BenjaminP]

If you want to be the best player in the world, you either play in the Premier League or stay in La Liga. You're not winning any major career accolades by beating up Nancy, Caen, and Rennes. He's going for the money. If he wanted to truly stand out and be seen as the best in the world, he'd be joining us for less money.

Joining the team who finished 6th in the league last campaign? Come on.

He's not going to stay in PSG for his entire career. He'll move on to PL or something. He already won tons of trophies in Barca, and he may want different challenge now.
And the only team that will provide new challenges is the team which can match his release clause.

I don't get the criticism towards players going for money. We would all switch our jobs if someone offered slightly higher wage.

 

[shamans]

How so? It will build the brand of PSG sure but all you would need to do is look at the league record and see how competitive the French Ligue is. All it will do is prove that PSG could rest players before the important CL matches.

It will trickle down to other clubs. Building the brand of a french club, other clubs then start stepping up their game. PSG rejects might move to other french clubs. A billionaire that was in the market for a club would now look for a french club to compete with them (kinda like how City became marketable because of us)

I believe it does impact the league positively.

 

[lawliet354]

On a global level it still ain't. Ligue 1 is limited to some areas that's it.

Also the point was neymars global appeal will take a serious hit compared to when he was in Barcelona. He ain't a brand which naturally catches on and become people's favourite like Messi Ronaldo or even zlatans would do.

If PSG won CL he will instantly be hailed as a hero, you mention Ligue 1 all the time without mentioning the real final goal of PSG, also the most popular and the most prestigious competition of club footall which is to won CL

If he doesn't win it with PSG, yes we can say he waste his career, but if he does win in, it probably is the right call to move

 

[Ecstatic]

Doesn't Januzaj also share the same birthday?

Indeed

I'm an accountant and you are right.

When the casflow takes place is irrelevant. Could be over 1 year or 50 years.

Thanks

 

[shamans]

Joining the team who finished 6th in the league last campaign? Come on.

He's not going to stay in PSG for his entire career. He'll move on to PL or something. He already won tons of trophies in Barca, and he may want different challenge now.
And the only team that will provide new challenges is the team which can match his release clause.

I don't get the criticism towards players going for money. We would all switch our jobs if someone offered slightly higher wage.

People forget this is a professional career sometimes. If I was a child prodigy footballer you bet your ass I'd be off to Madrid to sit on the bench/reserves and earn my wages

 

[Mockney]

And if he makes them a CL winner in the coming years ?

It's a gamble for him but he's not losing anything. He's getting loads of money anyway but he can fill the gap and make PSG finally a CL contender and everyone will say that he's the one who made PSG European Champion.

He'll never ever win a Ballon D'Or in Barca because Barca success = Messi winning that prize.

However well they do in the CL, there's always something intrinsically troubling about a footballer in his prime who cares more about the potential of 13 high profile games in a Cup (only 7 of which are realistically competitive) than the weekly satisfaction of his bread and butter. Everyone wants to win the European Cup, that's a given, but at the end of the day, you're spending the vast majority of your time focusing on the domestic side, and if you're moving from one of the top 2 leagues, to realistically the 5th, it stands to reason you're gonna give far less of a shit about the prestige of winning it.

And when you consider his apparent motivation for leaving one of the biggest teams, and one of the greatest all time strike forces, in one of the biggest, most high profile leagues, is merely that there's someone slightly better taking all the limelight there, it can't help but paint his motivations in a pretty bad light. Fat Ronaldo played in a side with Zidane, Figo & Beckham in it, and was far less successful. He even stayed when they signed RVN from us, and left more due to injuries than wounded pride.

It's less about the risk, and more about what it says of his mentality. I've no doubt he'll be great for them, for a couple of years at least. But what happens when PSG want to build their own MSN? And start courting the next Mbappe-esque talent? (or Mbappe himself?) is he going to throw another strop and demand another transfer to whatever other rich club don't already have enough marquee names capable of putting his ego out of joint?

 

[spiriticon]

On a global level it still ain't. Ligue 1 is limited to some areas that's it.

Also the point was neymars global appeal will take a serious hit compared to when he was in Barcelona. He ain't a brand which naturally catches on and become people's favourite like Messi Ronaldo or even zlatans would do.

Disagree with this I have to say. He is Brazilian football's poster boy at the moment and brands don't come much bigger than that.

 

[shamans]

However well they do in the CL, there's always something intrinsically troubling about a footballer in his prime who cares more about the potential of 13 high profile games in a Cup (only 7 of which are realistically competitive) than the weekly satisfaction of his bread and butter. Everyone wants to win the European Cup, that's a given, but at the end of the day, you're spending the vast majority of your time focusing on the domestic side, and if you're moving from one of the top 2 leagues, to realistically the 5th, it stands to reason you're gonna give far less of a shit about the prestige of winning it.

And when you consider his apparent motivation for leaving one of the biggest teams, and one of the greatest all time strike forces, in one of the biggest, most high profile leagues, is merely that there's someone slightly better taking all the limelight there, it can't help but paint his motivations in a pretty bad light. Fat Ronaldo played in a side with Zidane, Figo & Beckham in it, and was far less successful. He even stayed when they signed RVN from us, and left more due to injuries than wounded pride.

It's less about the risk, and more about what it says of his mentality. I've no doubt he'll be great for them, for a couple of years at least. But what happens when PSG want to build their own MSN? And start courting the next Mbappe-esque talent? (or Mbappe himself?) is he going to throw another strop and demand another transfer to whatever other rich club don't already have enough marquee names capable of putting his ego out of joint?

He is aiming for something higher than the satisfaction of being in the best team and the best league. He wants to be the best player in the world and that will not happen when Messi is in your team. Messi is a 'made man' and dethroning him as the central man would require Neymar to be a tier above Messi (doesn't exist) and not just be better.

He isn't tying his life to PSG either. Say he only spends 2 seasons, wins the POTY twice, the Golden boot and gets a CL he has established himself as the best in the world and can pretty much move to any club he wants now. The next two seasons in Barcelona? He will never achieve that and will be the same level he is now. He wants to change that level. It's a risk but he's willing to take it.

 

[ravi2]

He is aiming for something higher than the satisfaction of being in the best team and the best league. He wants to be the best player in the world and that will not happen when Messi is in your team. Messi is a 'made man' and dethroning him as the central man would require Neymar to be a tier above Messi (doesn't exist) and not just be better.

He isn't tying his life to PSG either. Say he only spends 2 seasons, wins the POTY twice, the Golden boot and gets a CL he has established himself as the best in the world and can pretty much move to any club he wants now. The next two seasons in Barcelona? He will never achieve that and will be the same level he is now. He wants to change that level. It's a risk but he's willing to take it.

This isnt about being the main man or changing levels...its about money to him and his degenerate father. If Barca offered him what PSG is, he wouldnt be leaving.

 

[Ødegaard]

This isnt about being the main man or changing levels...its about money to him and his degenerate father. If Barca offered him what PSG is, he wouldnt be leaving.

Maybe Barca should have set a higher release clause. No use crying over spilt milk.

 

[Stacks]

If this happens it will make Pogba look like such a bargain. Neymar's an amazing player and everything but he's not that much better than Pogba - probably their ranking amongst world forwards and midfielders respectively is about the same. And yet PSG might pay more than twice as much for Neymar.

attacking players/goalscorers are far more valuable in clubs eyes. Its not a direct comparison. Attackers win you the matches. Hazard would probably be valued at 150 Mill and his rep is similar to Pogba's in terms of their positions. The best GK CB or CM's will rarely cost more than the best forwards nowadays. Look at De Bruyne's price compared with Lukaku's or Higuains. Also as a player I put Neymar in the top 3 or 4 and he has been recognised for that globally. Gerrard was one of the best midfielders yet Ronaldo was one of the best players period.

EDIT : Dybala would probably cost bomb as well

 

[M18CTID]

Fair enough, I misunderstood after reading http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40690701 and thinking it referred to literal payments with the selling club's permission, I guess it makes sense though if you make payment for something that will cover you for a number of years that you wouldn't put it all on the first year...

Still, it's all relative, they'll have "amortised" all their other players and it'll take a substantial amount of selling to balance out Neymar. Don't forget the €40m fee going straight to his dad from PSG, that it's more widely said to be a 5 year contract, that some estimates for wages go up to nearly £600k per week after tax, and that should PSG win the Champions League there'll be even bigger outcry about Qatar's immorality which isn't going to be attractive to sponsors (outside of Qatar).

Yeah, I totally agree that they'll have to balance the cost somewhere because even with my guesstimate of £64.2 million per annum - which could well be a conservative figure - it's a huge amortised cost for just a single player.

 

[ravi2]

Maybe Barca should have set a higher release clause. No use crying over spilt milk.

I agree, it sucks to be them.
I doubt Livers will sell Coutinho and Dembele stated he is happy at PSG.

Barca have to throw 150m at Juve for Dybala and pay Paulinhos 40m release clause and they will still be not be as good as when they had Neymar

 

[shamans]

This isnt about being the main man or changing levels...its about money to him and his degenerate father. If Barca offered him what PSG is, he wouldnt be leaving.

And you know this... how?

 

[SuperiorXI]

Imagine the pressure on Neymar, I imagine stats like the whole team cost a fraction of just him and they STILL lost and he was completely nullified...

 

[ravi2]

And you know this... how?

Its an educated guess, what do any of us really know?
I feel that Neymar and his dad are primarily about money and will stand by that.

 

[lawliet354]

Maybe Barca should have set a higher release clause. No use crying over spilt milk.

220 million is crazy though, I doubt nobody at that time will ever think there will be a club crazy enough to spend that money on one player, that being said even if the release clause is higher, PSG has a backing of a country, they probably will match it anyway

 

[elnorte]

I agree, it sucks to be them.
I doubt Livers will sell Coutinho and Dembele stated he is happy at PSG.

Barca have to throw 150m at Juve for Dybala and pay Paulinhos 40m release clause and they will still be not be as good as when they had Neymar

Dortmund?

 

[ravi2]

Dortmund?

You are right, I meant BVB

 

[2 man midfield]

Joining the team who finished 6th in the league last campaign? Come on.

He's not going to stay in PSG for his entire career. He'll move on to PL or something. He already won tons of trophies in Barca, and he may want different challenge now.
And the only team that will provide new challenges is the team which can match his release clause.

I don't get the criticism towards players going for money. We would all switch our jobs if someone offered slightly higher wage.

You're right, but if you're working class or living paycheque to paycheque then that's a no brainier. If you're paid so much money that you'll never have to work again, regardless of where you ply your trade, then people can be forgiven for thinking any financially motivated move is less than ambitious.

 

[Mockney]

He is aiming for something higher than the satisfaction of being in the best team and the best league. He wants to be the best player in the world and that will not happen when Messi is in your team. Messi is a 'made man' and dethroning him as the central man would require Neymar to be a tier above Messi (doesn't exist) and not just be better..

You could well be right, but it seems like a very odd place to prove it. Even Man City makes more sense. No one will pay any heed to his performances in Ligue 1. There's an asterisk, subconscious or otherwise, that people will apply to his achievements at PSG. Whether it's "he's a flat track bully in a weak league" or "He only had to concentrate for 7 really importance games"

I personally think he had a better chance of winning a Ballon D'or at Barcelona, providing he's the standout player in the next World Cup, and outshines Messi, which is quite likely. Messi is 30 now, and Neymar 25. He only realistically needed to wait it out a couple years before he'd be the main man by default.

It's not so much the money that bothers me, as the apparent desire to be somewhere where no one else can threaten his status. Maybe it's the bias of an SAF-era upbringing, but I can't help but find that a terrible attitude to have at the highest level of football. You're either the best, or you aren't. Moving to a significantly weaker and low profile league to get away from the Messi comparisons seems more like running away than facing the challenge head on.

 

[crossy1686]

Why is our name being thrown around in this all of a sudden? Nothing more annoying than hearing "Neymar was so close to signing for United". I'd rather not know.

I'm glad he's leaving Barcelona, they're elitist attitude is insufferable at times. It's not like he's actually going to win anything worth winning at PSG anyway. You can have a Neymar in your team but it won't stop you throwing away a 5-0 lead away from home. Plus, the quality of the bottom French teams in the league and the teams PSG will be expected to play in the French cup early rounds means he has an increased chance of getting injured, badly at that. We saw it happen to Falcao in one of the early rounds. He show the ball to a defender and whipped it away in the blink of an eye, the defender made a piss poor challenge thinking he had a chance of winning the ball and destroyed his cruciate instead. I want to be clear that I do not wish or want this to happen to Neymar but I would be concerned about him playing in games where the other teams quality is Division 2 level.

 

[beergod]

Surprisingly if this is correct Ligue 1 is aboive Serie A in the US and I wouldn't be surprised if we underestimate how much people watch the league.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2016/08/02/popular-soccer-leagues-us-television-ranked/

BeIN Sports has the rights to the Spanish, French, and Italian leagues here. They only have one television channel for 3 leagues, so their schedule is a mess. The only teams you will have any chance of regularly watching live are Real, Barca, and PSG.

 

[Ødegaard]

220 million is crazy though, I doubt nobody at that time will ever think there will be a club crazy enough to spend that money on one player, that being said even if the release clause is higher, PSG has a backing of a country, they probably will match it anyway

If it's truly crazy-money, then Barca shouldn't bemoan someone buying him for that.

 

[Raoul]

PSG are just screwing themselves in all of this. Neymar will not get them much further than they are now and every time PSG want to buy a player the selling club will just put a 100-150% Neymar tax on them. Want to buy a player like Dele Alli ? Cough up 120m.

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

If he wins the champions league with PSG that also starts building up the french league.

I doubt it. It will attract some bandwagon "fans" I'm sure here in the States and other parts of the World that don't have good league's but the league in general will never attract the type of interest where it's attracting massive viewers and big TV deals. PSG will just be a go to team for greedy superstars for a while but will not help build the league up to being even Europe's 4th league IMO. No history, not even a casual fan base to build from and a 1 team league.

 

[JPRouve]

BeIN Sports has the rights to the Spanish, French, and Italian leagues here. They only have one television channel for 3 leagues, so their schedule is a mess. The only teams you will have any chance of regularly watching live are Real, Barca, and PSG.

Which means that Neymar will be seen by Americans on a regular basis, that's good for him and his dreams of worldwide fame.

 

[elnorte]

You are right, I meant BVB

It's cool! Was checking you aren't aware of something going on then rest of us weren't!

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

PSG are just screwing themselves in all of this. Neymar will not get them much further than they are now and every PSG want to buy a player the selling club will just put a 100-150% Neymar tax on them. Want to buy a player like Dele Alli ? Cough up 120m.

I agree. Barca and Real will stand firm with their release clauses and English clubs won't necessarily need to sell and if they do, yes it will be for even higher taxes than English club tax. It will just mean the clubs who have the mega players (Kane, Pogba, Hazard for example) will need to stay on top of their players contracts and make sure they are long term. I.e - if Pogba only has 3 years left, let's extend it to a 5 year.

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

BeIN Sports has the rights to the Spanish, French, and Italian leagues here. They only have one television channel for 3 leagues, so their schedule is a mess. The only teams you will have any chance of regularly watching live are Real, Barca, and PSG.

Thank god for Bein en Espanol which is what I watch almost exclusively. Never miss an Atletico game and the channel prioritizes La Liga first so don't miss tasty games involving Sociedad/Bilbao/Villarreal/Sevilla/Valencia etc;

Best $7.99 a month I ever spend.