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This guy looked attrocious in the finals. His first touch was horrible.
I was really surprised by how ineffective he was in the final....he looked great this season for the most part.This guy looked attrocious in the finals. His first touch was horrible.
He was good in the first half. It was in the second half that, like almost every Juve player, lost the plot.This guy looked attrocious in the finals. His first touch was horrible.
Disagree. They never had a shot if they played a slower game, would've just allowed us to do what we did in the second half for the whole game. To win this, juve needed any one of these things to happen, possibly more than one: run at least 5 kms more than us in total(and they run little less than 4 km more than us). Score first(and they didn't). Have the breaks go their way(again did not happen. Casemiro's deflected shot)He was good in the first half. It was in the second half that, like almost every Juve player, lost the plot.
Allegri failed to respond to Madrid's half time adjustments ( dropped Kroos to DLPM and Casemiro roamed+kept an eye on Dybala).
Allegri got his tactics all wrong and should have played a slower and more closed game, crowd the middle, and, overload and attacked more down the left (e.g. shift Dybala to that side). There was no way Pjanic+Khedira would win against Kroos+Modric. Add Casemiro+Isco and the middle is sure to be lost. He needed to choke up the space and force the game wide, making it Alves vs Marcelo and Sandro vs Carvajal
The 3 at the back was unwarranted imo and think an extra DM/CM instead of CB would have been better.
That would have been worse cos they would have lost almost all of the 1v1 battles and also run out of gas earlier being an older team. From what you proposed, Kroos>>Pjanic, Modric>>Dybala (in midfield) and Casemiro>Higuain (cos Higuian cant track back that deeply).Disagree. They never had a shot if they played a slower game, would've just allowed us to do what we did in the second half for the whole game. To win this, juve needed any one of these things to happen, possibly more than one: run at least 5 kms more than us in total(and they run little less than 4 km more than us). Score first(and they didn't). Have the breaks go their way(again did not happen. Casemiro's deflected shot)
Their best shot imho was to come out strong, set 1vs1 duels all over the pitch(Mandzukic vs Carvajal, Dani Alves vs Marcelo, Khedira vs Isco, Pjanic vs Kroos, Dybala vs Modric, Higuain vs Casemiro, Barzagli+Bonucci+Chiellini vs CR7+Benzema the main assignments, rotate and switch as needed) with constant double teams on the ball, push the pace for the first 15-20 minutes and score. Then sit-deep and play on the counter, with occasional accelerations(high press)
Injuries and not a good relationship with Allegri last season. He is back this season.He only scored 5 league goals from open play last season. He's on 3 already this time around
FTFYInjuries and playing 50 meters from the goal last season. He is back this season.
You are such a fanboi . None shall criticise Dybala!FTFY
Most young players are overrated these days but this guy is the most overrated of them all. He's a great set piece taker but other than that he's nothing special.
I also don't think he's that special. @giorno loves him though and he usually knows what he's talking aboutMost young players are overrated these days but this guy is the most overrated of them all. He's a great set piece taker but other than that he's nothing special.
You are such a fanboi . None shall criticise Dybala!
If Mbappe , Coutinho or Dembele go for 140 millions Dybala is definetly worth more. Currently I do not see anybody with a higher potential behind the 3 top. Juve is trying to build the team around him and make him the centrepiece of the rebranding strategy so we are hoping he will stay for quite a few seasons more. The number 10 has given him a lot of motivation and he seems to be very happy to stay, of course in the end money will talk tooI also don't think he's that special. @giorno loves him though and he usually knows what he's talking about
I think he'll be the next player to break the transfer fee record when he goes to Madrid.If Mbappe , Coutinho or Dembele go for 140 millions Dybala is definetly worth more. Currently I do not see anybody with a higher potential behind the 3 top. Juve is trying to build the team around him and make him the centrepiece of the rebranding strategy so we are hoping he will stay for quite a few seasons more. The number 10 has given him a lot of motivation and he seems to be very happy to stay, of course in the end money will talk too
well hopefully not for a few years, but if it happens and he keeps playing like he is that is for sureI think he'll be the next player to break the transfer fee record when he goes to Madrid.
I still don't think he'd even be a starter in Madrid and I'd have Isco and probably Asensio ahead of him. He seems like he'll have a great season so I hope he changes my mind.@Peyroteo this guy is constantly 1 second ahead of the game. You can't teach that. If he were quicker/more explosive, he'd be Messi. Literally, the only difference between them is Messi has better physical attributes mostly thanks to his lower height and center of gravity, which gives him better balance, which gives him better control over his body, etc...
Isco does not play in the same role. At Real he would play along with Ronaldo and Benzema or Asensio who is not yet a starter anyway, but hopefully they agree with you and do not come for himI still don't think he'd even be a starter in Madrid and I'd have Isco and probably Asensio ahead of him. He seems like he'll have a great season so I hope he changes my mind.
Probably depends on how long Cristiano goes on for.well hopefully not for a few years, but if it happens and he keeps playing like he is that is for sure
that and on how fast Juve is able to grow its revenuesProbably depends on how long Cristiano goes on for.
Aye, I know there are a lot of other factors to consider and all (especially money), but isn't Dybala a massive Barcelona fan and wants to play there after Juve? Not that, that will be where he ends up anyway. Juve still has a big say in the matter of course.Probably depends on how long Cristiano goes on for.
No and no and no. The only player we have who's better than him is Cristiano, and i'm not so sure he's still going to be better this season. Asensio might become as good or better and started the season on fire, but it's too early to tell.I still don't think he'd even be a starter in Madrid and I'd have Isco and probably Asensio ahead of him. He seems like he'll have a great season so I hope he changes my mind.
I don't think Juve will be in a position to compete with Real even if they continue to dominate Serie A. The worldwide interest simply isn't there. Unless some other oil country buy them...that and on how fast Juve is able to grow its revenues
He is supposed to be a Barca fan, but I just don't see Barca being able to afford that fee given how badly they're managed right now. Also, in the end, it doesn't really matter to them, does it? Solskjaer was a Liverpool fan, Gerrard an Everton fan, the list goes on and on. I can't see some Argie who's lived a long time in Italy having super strong feelings to turn down Madrid.Aye, I know there are a lot of other factors to consider and all (especially money), but isn't Dybala a massive Barcelona fan and wants to play there after Juve? Not that, that will be where he ends up anyway. Juve still has a big say in the matter of course.
Or else I'm just making stuff up.
Dybala and Isco played the same role last season, and dybala's betterIsco does not play in the same role. At Real he would play along with Ronaldo and Benzema or Asensio who is not yet a starter anyway, but hopefully they agree with you and do not come for him
Yeah, I agree. I guess it's going to depend on a good few other factors as well - like who else is available, when Juve is willing to sell, price etc.He is supposed to be a Barca fan, but I just don't see Barca being able to afford that fee given how badly they're managed right now. Also, in the end, it doesn't really matter to them, does it? Solskjaer was a Liverpool fan, Gerrard an Everton fan, the list goes on and on. I can't see some Argie who's lived a long time in Italy having super strong feelings to turn down Madrid.
The thing is the Benzema Cristiano partnership isn't going to end yet and in my opinion Isco's presence in midfield and his ability to hold on to the ball fits a lot better than Dybala would there. They could replace Benzema with Dybala and play Cristiano more as a striker but with Zidane in charge I don't think that will happen.Isco does not play in the same role. At Real he would play along with Ronaldo and Benzema or Asensio who is not yet a starter anyway, but hopefully they agree with you and do not come for him
I don't rate him nearly as highly as you and I don't think he'd even be close to being Madrid's second best player. Was he even considered Juve's best player last season? I watched a lot of Juve games last year and I just don't see it.No and no and no. The only player we have who's better than him is Cristiano, and i'm not so sure he's still going to be better this season. Asensio might become as good or better and started the season on fire, but it's too early to tell.
last year he was brilliant at times but he has been affected by injuries. Juve is a club that does not rely on just one star player but for sure along or slightly after Higuain he has been the most influential player .The thing is the Benzema Cristiano partnership isn't going to end yet and in my opinion Isco's presence in midfield and his ability to hold on to the ball fits a lot better than Dybala would there. They could replace Benzema with Dybala and play Cristiano more as a striker but with Zidane in charge I don't think that will happen.
I don't rate him nearly as highly as you and I don't think he'd even be close to being Madrid's second best player. Was he even considered Juve's best player last season? I watched a lot of Juve games last year and I just don't see it.
I do not think that being a fan is that decisive. In any case more than a Barca fan in the past he mentioned that he wanted to play with Messi and that's when all Spanish media implied he had already promised himself to Barca. The reality is that the decision will be based on a combination of money, tactical suitability (and currently none of the Spanish giants would be ideal unless they change system and sell 1 of their top) and his personal situation.I don't think Juve will be in a position to compete with Real even if they continue to dominate Serie A. The worldwide interest simply isn't there. Unless some other oil country buy them...
He is supposed to be a Barca fan, but I just don't see Barca being able to afford that fee given how badly they're managed right now. Also, in the end, it doesn't really matter to them, does it? Solskjaer was a Liverpool fan, Gerrard an Everton fan, the list goes on and on. I can't see some Argie who's lived a long time in Italy having super strong feelings to turn down Madrid.
last season he scored 19 goals anyway, missing almost 3 months for injuriesInjuries and not a good relationship with Allegri last season. He is back this season.
I disagree Isco has been a playmaker in a 4312 system playing behind Benzema and Ronaldo when Bale was out, before he played less and further behind. Dybala has played mainly as a second forward in a 4231 position behind Higuain and sometimes swapping with him. While Dybala thanks to his great aerobic abilities runs a lot (over 12km per game) so ends up playing often in line with the midfielder his main task is still to work with Gonzalo around the box and with the wingers on the sides to build up our offensive game. Dybala would play very well with Isco behind him too.Dybala and Isco played the same role last season, and dybala's better
Sure it'll be upto the player in the end, but I get the feeling that Juve are content being the top dogs in Serie A and occasionally challenge for the CL, so if a world record bid come in for Dybala, I'd be surprised if they turn it down.I do not think that being a fan is that decisive. In any case more than a Barca fan in the past he mentioned that he wanted to play with Messi and that's when all Spanish media implied he had already promised himself to Barca. The reality is that the decision will be based on a combination of money, tactical suitability (and currently none of the Spanish giants would be ideal unless they change system and sell 1 of their top) and his personal situation.
Money wise today Juve cannot offer more than 8 millions net (16 gross) but that will change over the next 2-3 years and while I doubt we will fill the gap with the likes of Real or MU it might be enough to gradually raise his salary along with his standing so that the salary gap would not be as big. Bottom line it will be up to the player because Juve has no need to sell even for 200 millions and he is still young so up to when he is 27-28 there will not be a strong incentive for the club to sell him
True. He had a "good" overall, not a great one. Expect him to take Serie A by storm this season.last season he scored 19 goals anyway, missing almost 3 months for injuries
Watch Juventus when Dybala isn't there, then you'll understand why people rate him so highly.I don't rate him nearly as highly as you and I don't think he'd even be close to being Madrid's second best player. Was he even considered Juve's best player last season? I watched a lot of Juve games last year and I just don't see it.
yes many Juve fans think the sameSure it'll be upto the player in the end, but I get the feeling that Juve are content being the top dogs in Serie A and occasionally challenge for the CL, so if a world record bid come in for Dybala, I'd be surprised if they turn it down.