Can i call him Arséne Wanker? Sorry, i have lost all the respect i had for him.
Arsenal 2017/2018
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So true.
Broken cannon.
I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them. This was in the making for 10 or more years and yet the fans did nothing about it.
Every other club, irrespective whether they were small or big, would have hounded out both the club and the manager eons ago. Arsenal fans with their 'holier than thou' and wenger in mentality are a perfect match for their board. They kept believing all the deluded messages put out by the board year in year out.
Every other club, irrespective whether they were small or big, would have hounded out both the club and the manager eons ago. Arsenal fans with their 'holier than thou' and wenger in mentality are a perfect match for their board. They kept believing all the deluded messages put out by the board year in year out.
Apart from DT of course.
I don't like people who feel sorry for us. It means we have digged our own grave.
This isn't really realistic in the circumstances. Most fans believed the long term vision that Fiszman and our old board sold us about the new stadium 2000-2004.
Then during all the board fights, most of the details were kept secret. Unlike the Glazers very public takeover and Hicks and Gillet at Liverpool's public saga, all the board room fighting and changing at Arsenal in the late 2000s was almost entirely hidden from the fans. Very few really knew what was going on and most of the journalism in those pre-Twitter years was coming out of Kroenke sources or Dein sources. The who stadium selling job had already worked on most Arsenal fans to the degree that most of us did not even realize Kroenke had obtained that much control until it was too late.
Its more complicated than that but really you can't blame the fans for not realizing what was happening when it benefited both sides of the board in-fighting to keep it as quiet as possible.
Best signing of the window. And fitting for Arsenal.
Yes, You can and I will. Irrespective of the board infighting and the secrecies involved, Arsenal fans started accepting mediocrity for years and it is their fault. Any top club would not have accepted such mediocrity and lies from the board.
Chin up. Wenger sold the ammo
Hill-Wood, Brycewell-Smith, Dein, Fiszman, Gazidis and most important of all Kroenke and Usmanov. A host of characters who could make for quite the future dramatic adaptation on the either the big or small screen.
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You are assuming that fan protest could have changed something. This isnt Liverpool with two speculators. This is Wal Mart gold digger Kroenke who won't sell based on fan protest. This is the owner who told an entire city to feck off irrespective of bad PR just to profit from moving his NFL team to another city.
Please delete. Dont give away my pitch mate
That doesn't mean there is no reason not to be vocal about it. Arsenal fans and only quite a few have actually been vocal about it and that too only in recent years.
At the very least, continuous protest from the fans over the years would have definitely made the board to rethink the strategy one way or the other. Like even this year, I cannot believe how many fans fell for the "catalyst for change" agenda and went along with it.
I am just curious as to what you think are fans going to do / should do to get of this mess.
Haha, happy with a little collaboration if you'd like to my friend. We can share the speech at the Baftas.Please delete. Dont give away my pitch mate
It's very easy for vested power to distract from core issues by turning the powerless against themselves. We see this from governments all the time and, on a lesser scale, from organisations like Arsenal FC: from Wenger blaming justifiably-disgruntled 'disloyal' fans for the club's struggles to the ongoing, sham confusion of whether it's the board's or the manager's fault that Arsenal is run like a bank rather than a football club. How much support did Liverpool fans get from rival supporters when they tried to rid their club of Hicks and Gillet? Shamefully little - we were all too busy cracking jokes about petitions and boycotts; in light of this, I don't feel it's fair to tell Arsenal fans how they should behave.
That's not entirely true though...a large portion of their fans have been wanting him out for quite some time and that number has been growing for the last couple of years
I don't believe the Arsenal fans can affect any change with Kroenke as majority owner. After reading about the chump for 10 years now I truly feel you don't quite get how little Kroenke gives any fecks about the fans. He is only at one Arsenal match a year ffs and is famous for never speaking to the media or giving them any attention. He is Wal Mart money.
The only thing fans could do would be not to renew season tickets. That is truly the only thing that would even register with the silent man. You'd have to see 50% of Arsenal season ticket holders cancel without anyone new to take their place (fat chance) to even make this guy notice. He literally doesn't give a feck about the pitch as long as the asset is growing in value.
He also refuses to give Usmanov (twice as rich as Roman) and our 32% owner even a voice on the board. Usmanov offered to personally fund Arsenal transfers with his own money just to get us competitive in exchange for simply having a voice on the board - as 32% owner with Kroenke at 65% you think that would be okay since Kroenke could just override any suggestion Alisher made. But Kroenke refused that.
The moment was probably this summer actually. His stupid trophy hunting TV show had a lot of people mad. We really should have jumped on top of that but it happened during the market instead of the season so the timing worked out exceptionally well for the krook.
That said, I fully support Arsenal Fan TV taking the piss out of Kroenke from now until forever.
You can blame Kroenke for a lot of things, but this transfer window has shown how completely incompetent the rest of the management team is.
You have Sanchez who has made no secret of the fact that he wants out and yet you wait until the last possible moment to find a replacement. You offer a crazy (even by todays standards) amount of money for someone who 2 hours later is going to be playing in a WC qualifier. He either turns you down, or you withdraw the offer - whichever version you believe - and I don't know which is worse.
You end up having to keep Sanchez who is now seething mad.
You can't change tack on these things - he is either not for sale period, or he is for the right price. What they did was stick to one line (not for sale) and then change their mind very publicly at the very last minute and it all goes tits up. Absolutely staggering, Moyes-esque almost.
Everton had a similar situation with Barkley and Koeman did the right thing by saying he's up for sale as he won't sign a new deal and in comparison, despite Barkley not being able to make up his own mind that was quite a lot less distracting.
You have Sanchez who has made no secret of the fact that he wants out and yet you wait until the last possible moment to find a replacement. You offer a crazy (even by todays standards) amount of money for someone who 2 hours later is going to be playing in a WC qualifier. He either turns you down, or you withdraw the offer - whichever version you believe - and I don't know which is worse.
You end up having to keep Sanchez who is now seething mad.
You can't change tack on these things - he is either not for sale period, or he is for the right price. What they did was stick to one line (not for sale) and then change their mind very publicly at the very last minute and it all goes tits up. Absolutely staggering, Moyes-esque almost.
Everton had a similar situation with Barkley and Koeman did the right thing by saying he's up for sale as he won't sign a new deal and in comparison, despite Barkley not being able to make up his own mind that was quite a lot less distracting.
Why wait to sign Lemar until the last day when he's on international duty?
Absolutely ridiculous when they have known Sanchez has lost his desire to be at the club for some time now.
Absolutely ridiculous when they have known Sanchez has lost his desire to be at the club for some time now.
because they don't really want to spend stupid money regardless
Now Ornstein says we have kept money to use in january 
I am surprised by the reaction to Arsenal's defeat at Liverpool.
This is not the first time Arsenal has taken a heavy loss at a rival ground in recent years. Didn't Chelsea beat them 6-0 not long ago? Also, I seem to remember Liverpool being 4-0 up against Arsenal and winning 5-1 not too long ago. We don't even need to go back as far as the 8-2. Arsenal got knocked out of Europe 10-0 on aggregate by Bayern last season.
Losing badly against the best teams has become a bit habitual for Arsenal. Arsenal tend to recover from these beatings and finish fourth or nearabouts.
If you accept the apparent evidence that, at the highest levels of Arsenal FC, fourth is viewed as success and no higher ambitions are held, why the surprise Arsenal no longer really compete?
The people at the top of Arsenal don't use Premier League title winners as the benchmark. They want Arsenal to be comfortably better than anyone capable of finishing sixth and hope Arsenal will be good enough, or one of the other top clubs will be bad enough, to finish fourth. That's the gameplan and its mostly worked for them.
The only reason people are acting like this is a big thing is because Arsenal is a big name. Had Everton, who are arguably inching closer to Arsenal's level (of ambition if not prestige), lost 4-0 at Liverpool nobody would bat an eye.
This is not the first time Arsenal has taken a heavy loss at a rival ground in recent years. Didn't Chelsea beat them 6-0 not long ago? Also, I seem to remember Liverpool being 4-0 up against Arsenal and winning 5-1 not too long ago. We don't even need to go back as far as the 8-2. Arsenal got knocked out of Europe 10-0 on aggregate by Bayern last season.
Losing badly against the best teams has become a bit habitual for Arsenal. Arsenal tend to recover from these beatings and finish fourth or nearabouts.
If you accept the apparent evidence that, at the highest levels of Arsenal FC, fourth is viewed as success and no higher ambitions are held, why the surprise Arsenal no longer really compete?
The people at the top of Arsenal don't use Premier League title winners as the benchmark. They want Arsenal to be comfortably better than anyone capable of finishing sixth and hope Arsenal will be good enough, or one of the other top clubs will be bad enough, to finish fourth. That's the gameplan and its mostly worked for them.
The only reason people are acting like this is a big thing is because Arsenal is a big name. Had Everton, who are arguably inching closer to Arsenal's level (of ambition if not prestige), lost 4-0 at Liverpool nobody would bat an eye.
No, people are acting like this is a big thing precisely because nobody bat an eye at that performance
You really can't blame the fans here to be fair. They would support their club even through lies and turmoil just like you would. Yes, a lot of them were vocal in their support of Wenger but a lot of them wanted him gone as well. At the end of the day no amount of fan pressure would have changed what was going on at the boardroom level at Arsenal which is the root cause of all their problems. Their owner uses the club as a figure on his balance sheets and eventually that mindset would permeate on the pitch. No zeal, no ambition in the transfer market, poor commercial deals.
It was quite obvious that they wanted to use the money they got from the sale of Ox AND Sanchez to buy Lemar. Something strange in terms of finances is going on with that club that the board isn't telling everyone. They're behaving in the transfer market like a tier 2 club.
If you're beginning to feel a modicum of pity for Arsenal, do yourself a favour and watch the following video.
Believe me, there is no greater cure for your pity.
Believe me, there is no greater cure for your pity.
Everytime I see Arsenal, I remember how those cnuts surrounded RvN when he missed that penalty then I remember how he celebrated when he scored to break their unbeaten streak.
There is no football club I enjoy watching screw up more than Arsenal, mainly because most of my mates are Arsenal fans.
Glad to see them fall.
No doubt they're pointing blame at City for coming in for Sanchez so late, but their bid was probably a 'let's just test their resolve one last time before the window shuts' kind of thing, after they've likely been told by Arsenal to feck off all summer.
Clearly despite all the posturing, they were open to selling Sanchez all along, so why dismiss the early interested and let it get to the last day? I'm sure they could have still got £60m out of City a month ago, and then they would have had several weeks to go after Lemar (and likely not have had to pay £92m for him either) or find another suitable replacement.
Probably already on here somewhere but just in case.
This.
I hate Liverpool the most but I get the biggest schadenfreude from watching Arsenal fail.
My timeline is always gold.
And rightly so. We are (were) rivals. We don't need to get along well
Ok I'm about to get some grief.....I can't see what Wenger has done wrong. His brief is to buy within the spending limits imposed by the board. The results are obvious and cumulated into the poor season last year. The problem is expectations. Everyone seems to think they should win the league and champions league. They won't. Give Wenger the spending power of man united, city or Chelsea over two, three seasons and then I would understand why people are surprised when they don't win the league. Otherwise champions league and a half decent run in a cup is a good season. Yes they failed last year but that has been an outlier and still not exactly a shock with all the oil money thrown around.
They finished below Spurs in a season when Leicester won the league, Chelsea imploded and Utd completely stagnated.
The regular pastings they received also can't be chalked up to lack of spending. Half of Europe don't get those season in season out.
If they lose both Sanches and Ozil, they'll be fecked. Only a top manager could save them. Won't be easy though. Madness.
No top manager will save them. They need to spend. And spend big. Anyone who thinks that a top manager will go there on the budget of Wenger and win the league is deluding themselves.
Stan Kroenke effectively saying he's not competing on spending with the big boys throws water on the whole Wenger out campaign to be honest.
Fans thinking Wenger stepping down is the dawn of a new day will be in for a huge shock.
Given all the turmoil in the support base you have to ask why Arsenal get away with charging fans insane amounts for those tickets. A boycott would bring the club to it's knees but years later I'm still in the dark as to why this is off the table.
I don't think it is possible for me to have sympathy for Arsenal or Wenger. Fergie kinda went soft towards the end.. probably because he felt sorry for Wenger and what a joke he had become. Can't say I've ever felt that way.
Hate everything about them.
I understand people hating City and Liverpool ... but I grew up hating Arsenal... and if I had to pick 1 team to crash and burn, it will always be Arsenal.