You're not paying a lot of attention are you? The reactions are happening because after those string of impressive performances you have people claiming he's either as good as Rashford or on the way to being the greatest ever.Is he world class or isn't he? who cares. Way too many people in here micro-managing things. Mbappe has a string of great performances and along comes a Redcafe Squidward to remind us that he's not peak Messi
It's clear that we are witnessing a generational talent, who is both potential without limit and presently not out of place playing next to Neymar.
Well to be fair, he isn't compared to Messi at his peak but Messi at 18 years old. The same way Messi was compared to Maradona. The problem here is that people try to ignore the 18 years old part in order to have a dig.You're not paying a lot of attention are you? The reactions are happening because after those string of impressive performances you have people claiming he's either as good as Rashford or on the way to being the greatest ever.
It's been mentioned in this thread that he has the potential to be the greatest footballer ever. So forget peak Messi/Maradona or 18 year old Messi/Maradona, a comparison between ability can and will be made. And I haven't seen that sort of ability from him. That isn't a dig at all.Well to be fair, he isn't compared to Messi at his peak but Messi at 18 years old. The same way Messi was compared to Maradona. The problem here is that people try to ignore the 18 years old part in order to have a dig.
Maybe potential GOAT is a stretch but hardly ridiculous, maybe generational talent would have more appropriate, I said that based on his maturity on his play, rarely you see 18 years old with that kind of decision making and maturity already, to add more he's fast, very good dribbler and very good finisher, I don't know what more you could expect from an 18 years oldHe's great and the comparisons with Rashford are silly but 'potential to be the greatest of all time' is a ridiculous thing to say. He doesn't look talented enough to be as good as Messi as talented as he is. I mean, it's pretty obvious watching him play that he could be the best player in the world someday but it's as clear that he doesn't have that phenomenal alien like ability.
I agree.Maybe potential GOAT is a stretch but hardly ridiculous, maybe generational talent would have more appropriate, I said that based on his maturity on his play, rarely you see 18 years old with that kind of decision making and maturity already, to add more he's fast, very good dribbler and very good finisher, I don't know what more you could expect from an 18 years old
I mean if you saw Cristiano at 18 and you said he's GOAT candidate, I believe many would think you're being ridiculous as well, but here we are and now he and Messi are always in the talk of being GOAT
Personally I think that you are being pedantic. First, 18 years old Messi didn't had goat abilities either he was just the best 18 years old player around, secondly 18 years old is always too soon to make goat projections but people will still do it because we are curious to know who is going to be the next big thing.It's been mentioned in this thread that he has the potential to be the greatest footballer ever. So forget peak Messi/Maradona or 18 year old Messi/Maradona, a comparison between ability can and will be made. And I haven't seen that sort of ability from him. That isn't a dig at all.
Of course I've noticed the hyperbole. I have accounted for that.You're not paying a lot of attention are you? The reactions are happening because after those string of impressive performances you have people claiming he's either as good as Rashford or on the way to being the greatest ever.
Yes.Of course I've noticed the hyperbole. I have accounted for that.
No one is making the claim that he's "on the way to being the greatest ever". In nineteen pages I haven't read anyone assert that. What I have read is people label him presently as world class, if that's what you mean?
Just rewatched his Euro 04 on youtube. Altough no doubt special for his age, I vison and decision making weren't his outstanding attributes.Love how Rooney gets the "he had great decision making and vision at 18".
He doesn't have great vision and decision making now. Did he lose these fabled mental attributes just like his legs? The former improves over time, not degrades, as you become more experienced.
When it comes to using 18 year old Rooney as a comparison to 18 year old Mbappe, certain people use the haze of nostalgia strongly to base their argument on because they have a strong emotional attachment to the era that Rooney flourished from.
Potentially the GOAT. One of the posts I quoted. You missed it.Of course I've noticed the hyperbole. I have accounted for that.
No one is making the claim that he's "on the way to being the greatest ever". In nineteen pages I haven't read anyone assert that. What I have read is people label him presently as world class, if that's what you mean?
You base your point on a single individual's post? I could understand if there was an emerging consensus. There isn't. One person exercised hyperbole. Non issue.Potentially the GOAT. One of the posts I quoted. You missed it.
Nope I have zero attachment to Rooney. You just took the logic of a post and ran haywire with it.Love how Rooney gets the "he had great decision making and vision at 18".
He doesn't have great vision and decision making now. Did he lose these fabled mental attributes just like his legs? The former improves over time, not degrades, as you become more experienced.
When it comes to using 18 year old Rooney as a comparison to 18 year old Mbappe, certain people use the haze of nostalgia strongly to base their argument on because they have a strong emotional attachment to the era that Rooney flourished from.
I base my point in response to a person's post on that person's post. If you're doing it differently you're obviously doing it wrong. One person exercised hyperbole. I responded to that person. Which makes your post a non issue really.You base your point on a single individual's post? I could understand if there was an emerging consensus. There isn't. One person exercised hyperbole. Non issue.
I haven't seen anyone say he is?There is nothing to be unsure of, Rashford isn't simply better.
True enough. Ultimately though, Rooney never cared about his body with the drinking binges and smoking, while Ronaldo was more dedicated with his body and looking after it.When Ronaldo and Rooney were Mbappe age yoou'd have been laughed at and probably abused on here for claiming Rooney wasn't the better player.
Use common sense and wait and see how he develops, instead of pretending he's already something he isn't.
Mbappe might go off the rails in future but for now the signs are promising. With Ronaldo being his idol, I'd be surprised if he let himself go.http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41352970
An interesting look into the player by the BBC. I found this most interesting:
Airouche: "We went to watch him at the under-19 final, which France won. We met him outside the stadium and we were shocked that he didn't want to go partying with his team-mates. Instead he wanted to go straight home.
"To him, he had achieved his goal to be European champion and was already thinking about his next goal: going back to Monaco, getting into their team, winning more titles.
"I remember when Monaco became champions he was the only player on the pitch who didn't have a mobile phone with him during the celebrations. All the others went out partying, he was the only one who went home to sleep. That's what is so great about him."
I agree with you. The potential is there but at the moment he still has a lot, not only to do but to be consistent at.I haven't seen anyone say he is?
But Mbappe very definitely isn't "world class" or better than established world class strikers as people on here seem to want to believe.
Every time a young player appears on the scene you get people on here talking about them as if they've already got nothing left to prove and everything is 100% certain.
When Ronaldo and Rooney were Mbappe age yoou'd have been laughed at and probably abused on here for claiming Rooney wasn't the better player.
Use common sense and wait and see how he develops, instead of pretending he's already something he isn't.
Dunno if i misunderstood you or what, but Messi at 18 was openly compared to Maradona. What he became, is what most people expected him to become back in 2006. And no, he wasn't just the best 18 year old in the world, he was a starter on the best team in the world. He was already a difference-maker at the highest level. On a particularly good night he outshined ronaldinhoFirst, 18 years old Messi didn't had goat abilities either he was just the best 18 years old player around,
He's great and the comparisons with Rashford are silly but 'potential to be the greatest of all time' is a ridiculous thing to say. He doesn't look talented enough to be as good as Messi as talented as he is. I mean, it's pretty obvious watching him play that he could be the best player in the world someday but it's as clear that he doesn't have that phenomenal alien like ability.
He doesn't have the ability in small spaces that Messi or Maradona had but why should that matter? He's not that kind of player and to be one of the greatest of all time you don't need to play a certain way. There's a lot more to football than the player's talent and how good they look on the ball. With space and on the counter he's a lot more dangerous than them for example.It does. But would it separate him from Maradona and Messi? That's the point. His decision making is wonderful for his age. But the greatest of all time have that baffling footballing ability that makes you wonder how it's even possible. That's how I felt watching Messi and I'm sure older posters felt watching Pele and Maradona. When I see that from Mbappe then I'll say he could one day after years of incredible performance be possibly the greatest (well I won't because I haven't seen enough of the players from the past you get my drift).
Also decision making can come with time. It did for Ronaldo eventually. It may do so for Dembele or Martial. So that's relevant for the here and now but to be seen if it's a differentiating factor in the future.
You do IMO. Well not a certain way but being able to beat 4-5 defenders is a common theme amongst the greatest footballers of all time. And rightfully so. They're less reliant on service than others. How good they "look" on the ball? When Maradona beats 4 defenders he does more than look good. He takes players out of the game on his own and opens up the game. It's one of those qualities you see in a sport every 15-20 years.He doesn't have the ability in small spaces that Messi or Maradona had but why should that matter? He's not that kind of player and to be one of the greatest of all time you don't need to play a certain way. There's a lot more to football than the player's talent and how good they look on the ball. With space and on the counter he's a lot more dangerous than them for example.
From what we've seen so far, he definitely has the talent and personality to become one of the greatest ever. He may or may not fulfill that potential but it's pretty obvious we're witnessing something very special.
Cristiano Ronaldo doesn't have that kind of ability either, didn't stop him from matching up Messi's 5 Ballon d'Ors.You do IMO. Well not a certain way but being able to beat 4-5 defenders is a common theme amongst the greatest footballers of all time. And rightfully so. They're less reliant on service than others. How good they "look" on the ball? When Maradona beats 4 defenders he does more than look good. He takes players out of the game on his own and opens up the game. It's one of those qualities you see in a sport every 15-20 years.
He does look a special talent. I'm just not sure he's shown enough yet to say he's going to be a tier 1 player.
Yeah and he's not as good as him. Let's move on from that miserable topic.Cristiano Ronaldo doesn't have that kind of ability either, didn't stop him from matching up Messi's 5 Ballon d'Ors.
Well we disagree then. I don't think you need to be able to beat 4-5 defenders, it's a good thing if you can but there's plenty of other ways to make a big difference in football. If someone like Inzaghi in the future manages to score 2000 goals by averaging an hattrick per game and leading his team to all sorts of trophies can't he be one of the greatest too?You do IMO. Well not a certain way but being able to beat 4-5 defenders is a common theme amongst the greatest footballers of all time. And rightfully so. They're less reliant on service than others. How good they "look" on the ball? When Maradona beats 4 defenders he does more than look good. He takes players out of the game on his own and opens up the game. It's one of those qualities you see in a sport every 15-20 years.
He does look a special talent. I'm just not sure he's shown enough yet to say he's going to be a tier 1 player.
Sure ageee to disagree.Well we disagree then. I don't think you need to be able to beat 4-5 defenders, it's a good thing if you can but there's plenty of other ways to make a big difference in football.
When I said 'how good they look on the ball', I meant 'how good they are on the ball'. Thought it meant the same thing, language barrier problems. Fair enough anyway, I'm a huge fan of Mbappe and really think he'll turn out to be one of the greatest of all time but it's best we just wait and see.
Yeah let's move on from the point that totally destroys your argument, sure.Yeah and he's not as good as him. Let's move on from that miserable topic.
Oh my. Such destruction. Balon Dor. What an "argument".Yeah let's move on from the point that totally destroys your argument, sure.
Well, I don't care about the comparisons. I also think Messi is the more talented of the two, but then I think Ben Arfa is more talented than Benzema, doesn't change who accomplished more. At the end of the day, it's the accomplishments people remember, not the talent. And Messi is at risk of ending up second-best to a less talented player in terms of achievement, and that alone proves your point wrong that you don't need to be Maradona and dribble through 4-5 players to be an all-time great.Oh my. Such destruction. Balon Dor. What an "argument".
Jog on to that childish thread to carry on this boring crap.
He'll be remembered as the better player because he is the better player. Team achievements will keep fluctuating as they do cyclically among the big boys.Well, I don't care about the comparisons. I also think Messi is the more talented of the two, but then I think Ben Arfa is more talented than Benzema, doesn't change who accomplished more. At the end of the day, it's the accomplishments people remember, not the talent. And Messi is at risk of ending up second-best to a less talented player in terms of achievement, and that alone proves your point wrong that you don't need to be Maradona and dribble through 4-5 players to be an all-time great.
I think he'll be able to play in all positions across the front three, Cavani is 30 so he might end up taking his place in a few years. He doesn't have the hold up play of traditional strikers but it won't matter.Back to the relevant topic, what do people think will end up his best position. Is his hold up play strong enough to be a CF?
Those players are 20, 21 and 21 respectively. It;s ridiculously early to make that comment.but Mbappe is arguably already better than they will ever be.
Mbappe walks any team in Earth. It is far from certain that they will reach that level.Those players are 20, 21 and 21 respectively. It;s ridiculously early to make that comment.
I was more referring to the current one, who plays more like Mbappe does (wide forward). He used to be a winger whose primary aim was to beat a man and get a cross in and the decision making is a different mindset for that.Ronaldo's decision making used to be horrid. Rooney was naturally good at decision making at a young age. Same with Fabregas.
It's actually very good, go watch a highlight of his touches against Dortmund in the CL midweek, or the matches against Bayern or Juve in last year's CL. Aside from the finishes and getting into great positions, he's very good at passing and running into space, or dragging players away with him when he needs to. It's what makes him so productive. Yeah every now and then he tries to go it himself and fails, but that's just the selfishness top players have.Even today Crisitiano's decision making isn't the best, no idea why he was the one referenced.