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"Glory Hunters"
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Nah, think your reading could still do with a bit of brushing up. As I've already written, certain people have actually said that that they do not want him here under any circumstance, therefore I'm not the slightest bit deranged I'm just repeating what they've said themselves. And I don't believe that I've said they are not United fans (although one is clearly a WUM, and another is a 'fan of good football' rather than a United fan), just that they are barely able to suppress their glee over Mourinho having a hiccup in the last couple of weeks.
I hate posts like that. Seriously? You expect people to write long drawn out stories about why they are a Utd fans in some weird attempt to sort the pure from the un-pure. It's like football eugenics. The fact is the majority of people can't explain why they like Utd. Because football is a game and sometimes you like a team because you do and there's nothing wrong in that.
Maybe millennials like me are glory hunters by design because we grew up in an era of sky sports where you could see the big teams playing on tv more regularly and with greater ease than your local club. That said, I support United, not Chelsea or Arsenal so there must be some reason for that. It doesn't really matter WHY people support Utd or HOW they can become a UTD fan.
What matters is how you support the team and what's in your heart as corny as that sounds. So nobody here, and I mean nobody, should be put off or made to feel inferior because some random person feels they have a better story than you or they happen to be born in a certain place.
Rant over.
Maybe millennials like me are glory hunters by design because we grew up in an era of sky sports where you could see the big teams playing on tv more regularly and with greater ease than your local club. That said, I support United, not Chelsea or Arsenal so there must be some reason for that. It doesn't really matter WHY people support Utd or HOW they can become a UTD fan.
What matters is how you support the team and what's in your heart as corny as that sounds. So nobody here, and I mean nobody, should be put off or made to feel inferior because some random person feels they have a better story than you or they happen to be born in a certain place.
Rant over.
I appreciate your passion, but who are you addressing? I'm hoping it's not the OP, because I wrote it. I didn't call anyone any names, didn't ask anyone to write anything about why they started supporting United. I know you said "rant over" but would you mind clarifying? I have no intention of ranking fans either, I was just trying to get people to lighten up a bit.
Sack Mou, Sell Pogba!
Ive never met any fan of any football team who doesnt want to see good attacking football being played, moans when it isnt, and wants to win trophies. Ive supported Utd since 1968, so witnessed the pre Fergie era and post of course. A glory hunter is every fan, as they want heir team to be winning trophies regular. The term though is usually associated to kids who support the latest big thing, and then move onto the next big thing when the previous big thing goes off the boil. Im sure there are hundreds of teenage kids that now support City/Chelsea even Spurs who used to support Utd 4-5 years ago. There are probably thousands abroad.
Who defends VG so ferociously? Its only the same 2-3 who could see no wrong before. Just because we have lost our way a bit, doesnt make VG's tumescent efforts suddenly look fantastic
Tbf, any Glory Hunter that is contemplating supporting Spurs must be very confused about what Glory Hunting is.
Sorry but context pal. Because your post does not make any sense with what I wrote or he post. Was responding too.
Was just responding to your answer nothing personal, maybe should have read from the start.
I remember being deeply shocked about 15 odd years ago (wow, doesn't feel like that) interviewing someone from MUST / SU who said he wanted short term pain for the club so the share price collapsed and SU was able to buy shares and take control of the club.
That day I learned there is no single way to support the club.
That day I learned there is no single way to support the club.
I am one of those people and in fact i think that that statement is opposite to glory hunter term. I don't care how my team will win. I am happy when they win. Real and true glory hunter will find a team like barca or city or psg. Team who has world class attractive players and team which plays attacking football. Only a true fan will be happy when his team wins with boring football by parking the bus.
And one more thing; i don't know how kids pick their team today but i think that you don't pick the club, club finds you. 30 years ago i started to support the club which is 1500km(1000 miles) away from my town. Club that wasn't champion of england, champion of europe, didn't won anything for years, club that didn't have star players. And then there wasn't youtube, you didn't have 50 sport channels, apps, etc...
Bloody hell, after writing this now i wonder -how i started to support united
??!It’s not the glory hunters that annoy me. It’s the supporters who feel being right is more important than actually supporting the club. The ‘Told you so’s, who micro analyse players or the managers decisions in order to gleefully criticise them.
The way I look at it Trophies aren’t the be all and end all to me, especially when it means sacrificing the identity and history of the club for a bit of metal.I am one of those people and in fact i think that that statement is opposite to glory hunter term. I don't care how my team will win. I am happy when they win. Real and true glory hunter will find a team like barca or city or psg. Team who has world class attractive players and team which plays attacking football. Only a true fan will be happy when his team wins with boring football by parking the bus.
And one more thing; i don't know how kids pick their team today but i think that you don't pick the club, club finds you. 30 years ago i started to support the club which is 1500km(1000 miles) away from my town. Club that wasn't champion of england, champion of europe, didn't won anything for years, club that didn't have star players. And then there wasn't youtube, you didn't have 50 sport channels, apps, etc...
Bloody hell, after writing this now i wonder -how i started to support united
So to me people saying they don’t care about the club as long as it’s winning that is the opitimy of a glory hunter.
This “gleefully criticise them” where has this buzz phrase come from. I am critical of us as a whole but when we do good i’m happy to say the lads did good. I’m not a great fan of Valencia infact if I had my way I’d have shipped him out last year but at times he puts inngood performances and I can admit that and be happy about it.
Who gets to decide what is constructive criticism and what isn’t. That’s just a user decideing what they think is almost acceptable to their point of view. People are right to criticise what they perceive as a fault, they are only putting forward what they see as they care for the club.
Most of this week to me a lot of it has looked like Jose united vs Manchester United supporters.
You do notice that this is a discussion forum where members have strong opinions and predictions about certain things revolving things, that isnt mutually exclusive of supporting your club (something fans would probably also do outside of redcafe) right?
I didn’t know it was about ‘things revolving things’, no.
Well done on entirely missing the context of the post though, congratz. I have nothing against posters who feel Mourinho or player X aren’t up to scratch. It’s when they criticise absolutely everything they do regardless of whether it is good, bad or if they are even at fault.
I actually think this place needs people like that. The constant whingers, the loyalists who will never criticise anything, the pessimists, the optimists, the people with agendas about certain players. It makes things interesting. People can always use the ignore function if it gets too much.
In that context there are a few of them, mainly FC Martial who despise Rashford.
Well put. You said everything I wanted to say but without being a cock about it.
Tell me what supporter don't feel unhappy when his team loses. I am following Manchester United since I was born. I went to my first game versus Tottenham in 1959 as an 8 year old. I have seen some bad times along the way, and yes I have cried when we lose.
But although Fergie took some time, he made us great again and we dominated for years. I can see this happening again with Mourinho in charge, but losing now still makes me unhappy and we all look for excuses, but let's all get behind our team and manager as there is good times ahead. Mourinho will bring in the right players to make us Top again.
But although Fergie took some time, he made us great again and we dominated for years. I can see this happening again with Mourinho in charge, but losing now still makes me unhappy and we all look for excuses, but let's all get behind our team and manager as there is good times ahead. Mourinho will bring in the right players to make us Top again.
Shit, they exist? Like Manchester United supporters who despise Rashford? Wow.
Most of the comments I've read who folks who would prefer Martial starting over Rashford, if only one starts, and most who would love for them both to start. Can't say I've picked up on some actively despising Rashford. That would be.....a bit fecked up.
Ha ha, coming from the guy who's such a big United fan that his first thought when filling out his profile for this forum when asked what team he supports wrote: 'good football'.
Well not despising him explicitly but saying he is championship quality and such just because they prefer Martial, or calling him a pace merchant and stuff like that whilst it is clearly the lad has got quite something to his game. I remember this guy that absolutely despised Smalling too when we were about to sell Evans as Smalling bettered him, that was a decent laugh.
Wow. Can you point to any examples? Ive not seen anyone say anything like that. I assume its in the matchday threads? The other day I refused to accept people had wanted to sell Martial last year, before being shown such people did actually exist, and it seemed to be in the matchday threads. They attract a certain type, it seems.
Yeah, calling Rashford Championship quality is laughably absurd, especially at this age of his career, with what he's already proven in the game. Suppose the term "fanbois" (which I hate) were coined with a purpose in mind.
There is one in the Rashford performance thread page 37. I think after Everton or a match where Martial shined some felt the need to downplay him as well.
If you haven’t noticed I’ve had you on the naughty list. But if you’re really so concerned about that i’d Like to point out that no where on your profile does it say who you support. So stop trying to make something out of nothing because it’s the only thing you can latch on to. Especially when it’s litrally nothing. It just makes you look pathetic. Last few days you’ve done a good job of that yourself. Again I suggest you go and read the forum rules about posting as surely a warning can’t be far off coming for you.
Please post your recommendations. I prefer areas with sea.P.S. If like some people, you are actually happy being unhappy, I could recommend a few other teams that will make you very unhappy/happy indeed
No it wasn't you it was just a thread title that allowed me to get that off my chest.
I actually agree with most of your post and I firmly believe that a very significant proportion of football fans get as much joy out of moaning and complaining as they do with the success of their team.
I think many people, including OP, confuse "glory hunting" with being realistic in assessment. Is everybody really convinced by our team? Do you not see areas that need vast and quick improvement?
I really like the "combined XI" exercise. For those, who consider themselves "top reds", i recommend doing this simple game. Take, Spurs, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Arsenal and make combined XI's. In most cases United players will be out-numbered. Football is a simple game- you need good players to play well. A good coach gets 10-15% extra but wont change fiestas into bugattis.
I really like the "combined XI" exercise. For those, who consider themselves "top reds", i recommend doing this simple game. Take, Spurs, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Arsenal and make combined XI's. In most cases United players will be out-numbered. Football is a simple game- you need good players to play well. A good coach gets 10-15% extra but wont change fiestas into bugattis.
I have been a supporter of United before most of your father's met your mother's. We have been in a doldrum long time back. We would win on our day against anyone with players like Best and Charlton but those days were rare and we eventually got relegated.
We came back and won the Cup beating Liverpool of all the clubs. Did we play good football all the time? Of course not. Sometimes we were pathetic. Then came Big Ron and he played attractive football and won the FA Cup. But he could not win any major trophies because again anyone can beat us and we could beat anyone on our day.
That is when the Board decided to bring Fergie. Do you know that we got beat by Oxford United during his first game if my memory serves we right? Beaten by Oxford United in the League? We used to get beaten by lots of teams those days under Fergie till we start winning after a few years. We did not play attractive football all the time. This United way is a myth. Sometimes we just hung on for dear life and with everyone defending with backs to the wall stuff. Yes when we got the chance we played well but it is not always. Jose will never be SAF. His way is not going to be the same way. This is not the 1980s and now it is result oriented business.
From what I have seen so far this year apart from the Liverpool game he has not set up a defensive formation. Now from the Huddersfield result I think he was spot on about the Liverpool setup. If we had attacked with abandon, Liverpool would have scored and we most probably would have lost the game. Now Klopp was also scared in that game and he did not attack with abandon either so it became a stalemate.
I blame the players mostly for the debacle at Huddersfield. There was nothing wrong with the tactics. It was the players inability to control the ball, head the ball or pass to a team in a good position that lead to our defeat. Not because the Manager set up a defensive tactics or a team.
We came back and won the Cup beating Liverpool of all the clubs. Did we play good football all the time? Of course not. Sometimes we were pathetic. Then came Big Ron and he played attractive football and won the FA Cup. But he could not win any major trophies because again anyone can beat us and we could beat anyone on our day.
That is when the Board decided to bring Fergie. Do you know that we got beat by Oxford United during his first game if my memory serves we right? Beaten by Oxford United in the League? We used to get beaten by lots of teams those days under Fergie till we start winning after a few years. We did not play attractive football all the time. This United way is a myth. Sometimes we just hung on for dear life and with everyone defending with backs to the wall stuff. Yes when we got the chance we played well but it is not always. Jose will never be SAF. His way is not going to be the same way. This is not the 1980s and now it is result oriented business.
From what I have seen so far this year apart from the Liverpool game he has not set up a defensive formation. Now from the Huddersfield result I think he was spot on about the Liverpool setup. If we had attacked with abandon, Liverpool would have scored and we most probably would have lost the game. Now Klopp was also scared in that game and he did not attack with abandon either so it became a stalemate.
I blame the players mostly for the debacle at Huddersfield. There was nothing wrong with the tactics. It was the players inability to control the ball, head the ball or pass to a team in a good position that lead to our defeat. Not because the Manager set up a defensive tactics or a team.
This post reminded me of the sad state red-cafe was in during the dark days of Moyes era.
Well what the bloody hell do you think 'Supports:' means then?!
On your personal details page there is a field called 'Supports' (meaning which team do you support). The note next to it says: If you support a team other than Man Utd, let us know here. We openly welcome opposition supporters and knowing who you support helps moderators and other members treat you fairly. Leave this field blank if you support Manchester United.
You didn't opt to leave it blank, you wrote 'Good Football'. Now that's fine - it's your prerogative to write what you want there (although the guidance above is pretty clear), but I struggle to imagine a true United fan reading that guidance note would think 'ooh I won't leave that blank actually, I'll write 'Good Football'. So it's that, along with the fact that you joined the forum at exactly the point that Mourinho joined the club that makes me think you have a massive agenda here that is bigger than your support for the club. Some might call it trolling.
Again, all of that is fine - it takes all sorts to make a vibrant forum - but it sticks in the craw when you're writing stuff like 'the forum has felt like Manchester United fans v Jose United fans in the last few days' which is essentially saying that anyone really twisting the knife on the manager is a true United fan, whilst anyone attempting to offer an iota of support for the manager is part of 'Jose United' when you can't even bring yourself to call yourself a United fan.
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What if they are somewhere in between - proper loyalists but came because of our history of fine football, and would lose allegiance if United spent a decade playing like Wimbledon?
I would think less of anyone that would lose allegiance to a football team because of a) a lack of trophies, or b) a particular playing style. That to me is not a true supporter but is more of a casual fan. But hey, that's just my personal view, I'm not saying that is how everyone should think/feel.
How they came isnt the issue. But if they "would lose allegiance if United spent a decade playing like Wimbledon" then are they actually loyalists? Doesnt "loyalist" imply loyalty, as in, without conditions?
Blindly following whilst you notice problems is not supporting the club.
Also Uuum you joined in April this year, what’s your excuse. Mine is I was on other forums and had heard about this and thought I’d have a look.
I saw other people mention this to you but your really seem like a loon. You go way way over the top in your defence of Jose to the point that you’re doing your own credibility damage.
Also I don’t remember reading the details that closely that it said leave it blank if you don’t support United. Now do us all a favour and just stop preaching everywhere with nothing of any benefit to the forum. I haven’t seen a single good post from you all weekend. All just blasphemy this blasphemy that, agendas blah blah blah. Also making yourself judge and executioner on what counts as constructive and what isn’t. Honestly absoulutly ridiculous
I've supported the club for 50 years and agree with some of what you say but reserve the right to say we were totally shite when we were indeed total shite! Losing to Huddersfield highlights to me that we wil not win the title come the end of the season and I think it's fair for me to say soGrowing up in the 90's I heard this term quite a lot. I'm a third generation United supporter, so I never took it too personally.
Then the oil money arrived in the Premier League, and there was that term again, this time aimed at Chelsea & City supporters.
When Ferguson retired we got Moyes, but so many of the players remained. Then there was Van Gaal, who was a lunatic, but (at least for me, while he was here) he was our lunatic. Now we've got Jose, who won 2 trophies in his first season... but apparently they weren't the right type of trophies. He's now won 3/3 Champions League games (2 away), lost 1 game and quite a few of you are fed up. He doesn't use our current injury list as an excuse, but our injury list (if fit) would beat some teams on their own, and it's the longest in the league.
Some of you guys need to take a moment, and contemplate if you are really a Manchester United supporter. You may find that rather than being a United fan, that you're actually a fan of great players, or attractive football... there's no shame in that. Life is short, be happy.
P.S. If like some people, you are actually happy being unhappy, I could recommend a few other teams that will make you very unhappy/happy indeed
Fair enough, I knew when I wrote the title that it was potentially provocative.