I know, right?
It’s got naff all to do with being Spanish, it’s that despite his performances and his statistics proving he is anything but, you continue to make the comparison to devalue him.
On the contrary, I am valuing him exactly as he should be valued. Bit part player.
Oh wait so now it’s Carricks immobility and not Pogba being a lazy bastard that is the reason why his ability to win the ball has been so high?
Didn't I say Pogba does not have defensive duties while Carrick was not good enough? Then when the discussion moved to Carrick, I mentioned him alone.
Please read what I said properly. Herrera was a ball-winner because he had to do most of the defensive work last season. This season, Matic is more competent than Carrick and Pogba as usual does not need to shoulder that burden as much. So Herrera is not needed as much, as compared to Fellaini for instance.
Or is it because you can’t offer a reason why Matic hasn’t been able to emulate those numbers?
Chelsea is a different team, and I do not care how Matic was with them.
Season's not over, and in any case, there is no need for stats to see that Matic is streets above Herrera in that position. Denying that would be denying the obvious. Are you seriously implying Herrera can be better than Matic...
Furthermore, if we have improved this season, there would be lesser number of tackles and interceptions made. So many factors go into stats. Basic eyesight is enough to rate Matic over Herrera.
So there’s just the two positions in midfield now is there? I assume in the title winning Chelsea side of last year Kante was the attacking midfielder? Or was it Matic? The former couldn’t possibly be simple a ball winner though could he...
Eh? Kante didn't need to do creative work in that Chelsea team. As I mentioned before, our system needs more than a "simple ball winner" to coast to the title.
I'd like to know if Herrera is an effective B2B. Answer is, he is not. He is not Modric or Kroos that he can take games by the scruff of the neck without racking up amazing assist/goal stats. It doesn't even bear thinking about. Hence, I cited two midfield positions based on his attacking output in his first season and his defensive output when he is playing in that role.
The idea is, He is not an AM like Pogba who is clearly a superb chance creator. He is not a good enough DM like Matic. His passing range is limited.
Bang average then.
Yeah I do keep repeating the same things because there shouldn’t really be any disputing them. While conversely you’re pulling any excuse or reason you possibly can from thin air to justify your ill though opinion of him. You can’t even decide who’s fault it is that Herrera picked up so many interceptions and tackles.
Nah, there are many who disagree with your opinion, because they simply do not rate Herrera as high as you do. Have you seen the analysis done on him by people on twitter? You are either purposely or inadvertently missing what I said, but there is no two ways about it.
The man won our player of the year award despite playing in the same team as the most expensive midfielder ever, a striker who has won it all and the worlds best keeper. And yet he is average, makes perfect sense.
I repeat, he was voted as POTY by fans. In a season we came 6th. Not hard to see that he is highly overrated by fans.
The most expensive midfielder was our best chance creator, and I repeat, had our other teammates not missed the chances Pogba laid to them on a plate, he would have ended up with 15-20 assists. Add the crossbar finishing to that.
Yes every man and his dog can see he is not a DM, even you’ve now begrudgingly admitted it. Where’s the argument?
Yep, he is not a good DM, he is not a good AM, he should not even be considered for the B2B role.
Certainly wasn’t ‘average’ against Swansea, and lo and behold he wasn’t playing in Pogbas position. Don’t let that correlation get in the way though.
Yes, a weak Swansea side is the best barometer for assessing his contribution, is it?
Why stop there? He can play a blinder against a top team if he is used in the right way, as he was in the Chelsea game at OT last season. Basically, a workhorse who can put in an exceptional performance or two.
Herrera is not good enough for our team. If you feel otherwise, that is perfectly fine by me, but do not expect others to stop calling him average when they see fit.
EDIT: Leave all this. Let us see if he first leapfrogs Fellaini in the pecking order and nails a starting spot. If he does that, he certainly deserves praise. If he doesn't do this, then his limitations are obvious. I hope you agree to this.