Btw is it possible to get three passports like he supposedly did and be legal in the States unless you are Jason Bourne?
Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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Btw is it possible to get three passports like he supposedly did and be legal in the States unless you are Jason Bourne?
It's possible, but highly rare/unusual.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/01/news/economy/manafort-multiple-passports/index.html
Its not unheard of for people who do a lot of traveling to have multiple passports, especially Government employees an people who routinely go to places where certain stamps in passports cause problems with other countries (Israel being the prime example).
No joke. Going from Israel to Egypt led to some interesting looks from the fella doing the stamping in Cairo International.
I had the same issue going into Beirut. I wasn't in Israel before but the airport guy in Beirut definitely scoured my passport to double check before stamping me.
He had different names with the three different passports right?
Not sure. The broader issue I suppose is that they were components of what Prosecutors built a flight risk case around.
Now this is a hell of a birthday gift
I've heard it said, that lords are born on November 2, cheers
Heard the same on 3 passports. Not unheard of for those traveling to Israel etc. But 10 applications?
This assumes one name which is likely true. Surely we'd have heard if he was using different names like he was with his phone.
This assumes one name which is likely true. Surely we'd have heard if he was using different names like he was with his phone.
I hope you get this and everything else you desire trump related
HeheheYeah there's not much like that "uh oh" feeling when they start doing that act.
Thank you!I've heard it said, that lords are born on November 2, cheers
Trump will fire Sessions. His advisors will think it's a brilliant move. The replacement AG will fire Mueller. Trump's advisors will think that's a brilliant move. Congress will reappoint Mueller to the investigation where Trump won't have any legal right to dispose him, plus it will be another example of him seeking to pervert the inquiry. Trump's advisors will be utterly perplexed as to how their brilliant plan went wrong.
I've got to say, I'm incredibly apprehensive about believing that congress would do the right thing and hire Mueller in the same capacity. The likes of Nunes, Gowdey, King and Wenstrup will see to it that Mueller's scope, funding and autonomy is heavily reduced.
Absolutely, that's a huge risk. But Trump's approval rating will likely be below 30% of it all plays out like I said. It's around 31-33% now, I think. The number of Congressmen willing to play politics will be influenced by that.
Sessions is in trouble for lying under oath which theoretically gives Trump an excuse to fire him and replace him with an AG that won't be recused. But Trump has already fairly openly humiliated Sessions, to fire him while he's under pressure from the Mueller investigation could well give Sessions enough of an incentive to flip on Trump. Surely, aside from Kushner and Don Jr, Sessions is the last person Trump would want Mueller to have as a cooperating witness.
Very true.
I hate this. Presumably they know what the right thing to do is, but they're not going to do it unless some arbitrary measure of the current president's popularity shows him under some arbitrary value.
Politics is just one big reality show where the contestants have forgotten why they entered in the first place but are hell-bent on not getting booted from the show.
@Raulduke that's a great point I hadn't considered. If Sessions is in hot water over lying to Congress and not being open about his knowledge of and potential involvement in, Russian collaboration then if Trump fires him Sessions has every reason for the sake of self-preservation to be another "proactive cooperator" to the Mueller investigation.
Does anyone worry the orange one will start a war just to shift the focus from this investigation closing in on him, or I am just typically overly paranoid?
I think at this point, given the nature of the investigation, and that the evidence made public is just the tip of the iceberg, the military will already have procedures in place to deal with any such orders he gives.
Thinking about it further... What if Sessions has already flipped? Now that would be game over.
I'd be surprised if he had already flipped. But he might increasingly see it as the only way out now other people inside the tent of piss are pissing on him.
Not sure about the military itself, since their procedure is to follow the commander-in-chief, but I read that congress is trying to pass a bill preventing 45 for starting a war in NK unless there is an 'imminent threat'
It's unlikely, but some things to consider:
It's obviously speculation, but it does seem logical that the indictments would have been filed together so it's possible that there is 4 more indictments we are yet to find out about.
We also know that Comey knew months ago that Sessions knew about all the Russia meetings and that he lied under oath about that. That will have been well documented and passed on to Mueller when he passed on the investigation. On that basis he could indict him with Perjury and Obstruction of Justice (carrying maximum terms of 5 years and 20 years).
I've got no doubt that the poisonous little dwarf would flip if he was faced with that sort of jail time.
The only issue might be that I'd imagine it's unprecedented and possibly unconstitutional to have the active head of the United States Department of Justice indicted and acting as a proactive cooperator.
Nicely put.
Great flick!
Comey clearly had evidence that Sessions knew of the Russia meeting. His refusal to disclose that to Congress wouldn't have been based on a hunch or hearsay. But why didn't that itself alert Sessions and his team to the fact the FBI was onto them? I know that competency isn't what anyone associated with this administration is blessed with, but in itself that's a massive oversight.
I'd imagine the feeling inside the Mueller team is the same as that within the Galway All Ireland-winning Hurling team this year. You know that you have top personnel, you know the preparation is right and that every possible effort is being made to meticulously meet your targets, but there's always the nagging fear about what your opponent could have up their sleeve, what unknowns are out there, and what could go wrong to derail the inevitable progress towards the finishing line.
I wonder whether Mueller believes he knows where the case will end or whether he is still conducting an investigation.I'd imagine the feeling inside the Mueller team is the same as that within the Galway All Ireland-winning Hurling team this year. You know that you have top personnel, you know the preparation is right and that every possible effort is being made to meticulously meet your targets, but there's always the nagging fear about what your opponent could have up their sleeve, what unknowns are out there, and what could go wrong to derail the inevitable progress towards the finishing line.
I wonder whether Mueller believes he knows where the case will end or whether he is still conducting an investigation.
I'd imagine they've two or three clear targets and they'd be plotting contingencies etc towards those goals. Almost certainly one of them is the clear top priority too, perhaps tax angles or dismissing Comey.
I wonder whether Mueller believes he knows where the case will end or whether he is still conducting an investigation.
I think he's straight lined and professional enough to be routing the investigation path via facts rather than having an actual "target".
By that I mean that he's not put Trump in the cross hairs and building his investigation towards that goal, I think he's investigating whatever he can verify, then from that he forms his suspicion and aims to verify that and so on and so forth. Because Trump is the head of the organisation being investigated, it's highly likely it will lead all the way up to him, especially when you hear from Manafort and Papadopoulos how involved Trump was with every decision.
Sure yeah, I suppose what I meant more was rather than "targets" as such, they'd have clear directions of investigation based on the evidence. Of course it'd be flexible enough to allow new avenues if some big new evidence gets discovered.
Yeah I think we know the transgression - Russia interfered in the US election on a mass scale - and now the question is why? Well, we already know part of that - to help get Donald Trump elected. Once you start questioning the motive, you start to uncover reasons for certain people to be involved. The details on Manafort's lifestyle, who he was working for and who he owed are all probably driving the investigation. I'm sure that will mushroom into more, same with Flynn. People on the outside like Papadapolous, who didn't gain as much and probably have more to lose, will be the ones to flip quickly. It's all about working from the outside in, to the ones calling the shots.
As predicted, they are attempting to gin up the fake Uranium story as cause for why Mueller should resign.
This proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the GOP is rotten to the core. Either they know that Trump is guilty and they don't care or they're terrified the investigation will lead right to their doorstep.
It likely wont go anywhere since the people sponsoring it are from the lunatic fringe of the GOP. This is why Congress needs to pass a law protecting the independent council from getting fired by creating a three judge panel that has to arbitrate any such move by Trump and ensure its being done for a legitimate reason and not to obstruct justice.
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It's why I'm not convinced he'll be impeached if he fires Mueller or is proven to have acted criminally.
The GOP is rotten.
The GOP is rotten.
It was a tweet about Mueller's team thinking Manafort's case will take three weeks in court to decide.