We will soon take those neighbours down too! Long way to go. Let's win 100% of our games and hope they drop 12 
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Of course there's more to stats but those are quite interesting. I think a huge step closer would be to get rashford to the next level
Oh, so just trophies that City have won, right? Which is many as United and Jose. So, I guess we're both equal.
We won 2 titles last season and we can still win all 4 this season.
Of course we have not won anything yet as it is December.
Yes. If ypu get your head out from your posterior and get behind your team. Doesn't mean you're right, but there's an argument to be made for it and we are the ones who should be making it...
So glad the op made this thread. About time a few proper United fans were posting on the caf this season.
Nah, not goals and assists. Add Lingard (6G and 4A) and Pogba (3G and 6A) and you can quite clearly see that Jose has these guys contributing at levels we haven't seen before.
It's just that Jose isn't bald, Red isn't Blue and Old Trafford isn't empty. So, we can't acknowledge these stats.
Agree we have won more trophies in 2017 so we are better than City no doubt! They have had a lucky spell now, but we will soon get past them!
Form go up and down and should we not rate it? City got great form right now so hard to argue against them.
Ask yourself would the likes of Lindelöf, Fellaini, Mata, Lingard, Young, Ibrahimovic, and maybe even Herrera, be in contention in at Chelsea?
Seems to be the way
but I think the more realistic and positive posters should reclaim the forum! Hate city? Go for it, this isn't the fecking United Nations.This is just a guess but I reckon the majority of moaning cnuts on here didn't watch united in the 80s.
Reckon most of you would have topped yourselves.
I can remember that 1990 FA cup win and feeling like it came after a ten year drought, even though it was only five years; even so, it felt wonderful as did the cup winners cup, league cup and first title that then followed.
I feel a bit sorry for those who grew up knowing only constant success, because I think it makes your sense of perspective very badly warped.
Reckon most of you would have topped yourselves.
I can remember that 1990 FA cup win and feeling like it came after a ten year drought, even though it was only five years; even so, it felt wonderful as did the cup winners cup, league cup and first title that then followed.
I feel a bit sorry for those who grew up knowing only constant success, because I think it makes your sense of perspective very badly warped.
This went well.
Should we make tentative arrangements for an open top bus tour of the city to mark this achievement?
You've to ask yourself how many are in contention to be first choice with us first. Also it's more complex than that, for example Delph wouldn't get near our team, and nor would Moses, but they do a good job at city and Chelsea. I see your point but results and performances are a better comparison than looking at individual players. Chelsea are very close to us but for me, this season, we shade it as they've looked more vulnerable
Pathetic snide waste of time of post, base upon your own unenlightend reading of what's been said in the thread. But , by all means, carry on
I guess so but I'd trade all the trophies together to win the Prem. City have won nothing as yet so we will see....
Another person who is reading what they want to read in the OP.
United have improved in the league compared to the last four seasons. It's progress whether you want to recognise it or not.
More points, more goals, less conceded... But folk still want to moan.
I also think this is wrong.
We simply can't tell.
I think we are in the stage that we need 95+ points to win the league.
The bar has been raised.
IF, but it's not that big an if, we win the next two matches, we will be on 44 pts at the halfway point, and in the vast, vast majority of seasons that is a Championship winning/contending position to be in.
Not saying that there aren't obvious issues with our personnel or the way we play, but that put a different perspective to the doom and gloom on this place. Make no mistake, City's current run is an extreme anomaly that make every other contenders seemed worse than they are. Even in 12-13 when we blitzed the league, we only went 13 points clear in late February.
Not saying that there aren't obvious issues with our personnel or the way we play, but that put a different perspective to the doom and gloom on this place. Make no mistake, City's current run is an extreme anomaly that make every other contenders seemed worse than they are. Even in 12-13 when we blitzed the league, we only went 13 points clear in late February.
This season is bittersweet for us United fans. We have enough points to comfortably be 1st in every other season in the Premier League. We are also in the last 16 of CL with a favourable draw, still in the League Cup and FA Cup yet to start.
It's just the noisy neighbours are having an out of this world season and are making us look worse than we are. I am also worried that next season is Jose's 3rd and we all know what usually happens.
It's just the noisy neighbours are having an out of this world season and are making us look worse than we are. I am also worried that next season is Jose's 3rd and we all know what usually happens.
To you maybe not, but I think when Utd talk about success, it's based on PL and CL. The rest are insignificant unless you are having a crap season elsewhere. Most teams will play a weakened team for the cup comps anyway....
Can't tell for sure, but I think it's incredibly unlikely we Weill see a team win 16 from 17 opening games.
There's loads to be positive about. I'm one of mourinho's biggest critics on here but he's definitely achieved the following:
Tightened the defence
Upskilled Young and Fellaini
Got rid of Rooney
Promoted youth
Made CL qualification probable rather than possible
Mourinho's in the biggest challenge of his career now. Let's hope it inspires him to dump the bus-parking and think creatively about how to overhaul City, if not this season then next.
Tightened the defence
Upskilled Young and Fellaini
Got rid of Rooney
Promoted youth
Made CL qualification probable rather than possible
Mourinho's in the biggest challenge of his career now. Let's hope it inspires him to dump the bus-parking and think creatively about how to overhaul City, if not this season then next.
When everyone is fit, our first eleven is on a par with any other side in this league with the exception of City.
We've missed Pogba and Bailly and last season's top scorer for the majority of this season. Fully fit Pogba all season and I reckon the gap is 6 points maximum.
We've missed Pogba and Bailly and last season's top scorer for the majority of this season. Fully fit Pogba all season and I reckon the gap is 6 points maximum.
Yes and the difference is 11-14 fecking points without approaching Christmas yet. Thats the core for you. Preaching for Zlatan to stay fit, while Jesus is letting Kun rest on the bench. City are better, City have an identity, their players are on lower wages and they can afford to buy anyone that they want, yet they manage to get KdB play much better than Miki and Matic. Who bought younger players, Pep did. Sterling-the flop-is all of a sudden doing better than Martial. Who is the main reason for all this, it is Pep and Jose. Who is doing the better job, quite clearly Pep. Do I see anything suggesting that Jose will get an upper hand over the baldie? No. How many transfer seasons has Mou had at his disposal already? He has lost his first season with Utd to Conte, and his second to Pep very very early. His third season will be the last with United, and I am less optimistic about it than a season before.
City this season have been perfect. Just because you've been worse doesn't mean you've been crap. You could have Ferguson, Ronaldo and Scholes back and you still wouldn't be finishing first given the amount of points City already has. There are still some obvious flaws in the squad that need to be fixed but you'll have the summer to fix them and there are a bunch of reasons to be positive. Some people here need to be more patient and enjoy football a bit more.
2nd place with a sizeable amount of points, a cup and a good showing in the Champions League would be good after the last few seasons.
2nd place with a sizeable amount of points, a cup and a good showing in the Champions League would be good after the last few seasons.
Oh the drama of it all...
Edit: that was aimed at the post by water melon
Edit: that was aimed at the post by water melon
Football fans are the least rational people in the world, they see things in black and white, and when reality doesnt match this black and white thinking they will do anything to justify their outlook.
Just remember that their were countless fans that would bad mouth SAF despite him being the greatest manager of all time, he was the main reason why we are a top club in the modern game but fans would question his managerial ability whenever he had a bad run of results or didnt win the league.
Just remember that their were countless fans that would bad mouth SAF despite him being the greatest manager of all time, he was the main reason why we are a top club in the modern game but fans would question his managerial ability whenever he had a bad run of results or didnt win the league.
Don't forget, he got bested by Pep in two European cup finals, so basically Ferguson was total shit really /s
Might not be from the opening game but they could easily do it mid-season, which still has the same effect.
My point is last season and this season has shown, at least one of our rivals will have a ridiculous points total.
So we have to go into each season targetting 95+ points to win the league.
We are nowhere near that atm.
We also finished behind them in the league.
Abaolutely. We have all done the gracious "fair play to pep" rubbish.Seems to be the way
Now it's time to hope half their team get double leg breaks next game
These goddamn rags!
Check any of the last's years threads, people would constantly moan about not being in Top 4, not 1st, just Top 4. Now we are 2nd and they moan that we are not 1st. I bet if we were 1st, they would always find something else to moan.
I am personally content with our position, given the circumstances - the players we have and Man City's freak run.
Could we have done better? Yes, but not replicate what Man City have done so far. Therefore, we would still be 2nd. Even Barcelona could not match their current form and consecutive game wins.
I love our team, even though we are grinding wins at present. We have some great characters and some talent. Hopefully with some sensible additions we will be able to challenge for the title.
I am personally content with our position, given the circumstances - the players we have and Man City's freak run.
Could we have done better? Yes, but not replicate what Man City have done so far. Therefore, we would still be 2nd. Even Barcelona could not match their current form and consecutive game wins.
I love our team, even though we are grinding wins at present. We have some great characters and some talent. Hopefully with some sensible additions we will be able to challenge for the title.
The fact that I have actually seen people question SAF's superiority on this form whilst purporting to be United fans is an utter disgrace.
This place needs a little more pride, passion and tribalism if you ask me.
I am grateful for this thread. Good job @SER19 .
What the hell is wrong in appreciating improvement? City have been much better than us, the past few seasons, even before Pep came in. If you think we are going to cover all that ground in less than two seasons of Mourinho, you're deluded.
What the hell is wrong in appreciating improvement? City have been much better than us, the past few seasons, even before Pep came in. If you think we are going to cover all that ground in less than two seasons of Mourinho, you're deluded.
Just as a reminder, we were very close to replacing SAF with Wenger in the 2000s. Media were saying that SAF was past his sell-by date. There were definitely fans that wanted him gone after he failed to win the league 3 years running.
As long as a manager is improving the team, both in style and results, then he should IMO allowed to see out his contract. It is indisputable that we have had better results since LVG, and most would agree that we have become a more entertaining team compared to LVG.
There are very few managers that will be able to overcome Pep Guardiola bank rolled by Abu Dhabi. There's a huge cognitive dissonance on the forum; one moment a poster will talk about how good Guardiola is (which he is), the next moment he/she will say that if the team was coached better we would be close to City as if Guardiola is not one of the best coaches in the world.
Yeah those two statements just don't work together
, if you say with confidence that United are better than Chelsea at this point then your head is quite clearly right up your own arse @SAFicusAs I said in my posts, we are currently behind City and on a level with the current champions of England, above the rest. It's not perfect, but it's progress.
No science and it's an individual emotional at times response based on your own expectations. That is every single aspect of football, but makes you no more or less of a fan. Is it better this season for me Yes, is it good enough No. The performances against the teams around us have been the most disappointing for me. Whilst it's about being cautious, that doesn't have to be negative. I loved the Arsenal game as whilst we road our luck at times, it was pure Utd. I'd have sooner we lost 4-0 to City than 2-1 in that way but that's just me...
There are many anti-united thread in the cafe, go and comment there if you have so much problem with people saying we have made progress. We have been 1st/2nd since the start of the season so nothing wrong in saying so far we have been the second best team.
Pleased to be second but this thread is embarrassing. Especially because we’ve got a tricky game today and are currently level on points with Chelsea so things could change quickly.