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Premier League Gameweek 21 (30th - 31st December 2017)
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Because police didn't want the game on NYE. Crowd at Wembley would've been significantly low. Plus Sky didn't want the game moved to Saturday because it would've clashed with Old Firm.
They are playing on Tuesday and Thursday.
Very. Should have lost that game.
Haha wut - only in the UK!
I am fecking fed up. We are shit, but the referee can't wait to feck us over.
Mike Dean has a fecking agenda against us. Can't wait until he retires. fecking cnut.
Mike Dean has a fecking agenda against us. Can't wait until he retires. fecking cnut.
Arsene Wenger complains about the fixtures despite having the best set of winter games with the least travel. 
What was the difference between Chambers handball and the Southampton players' yesterday?
cnuts.
cnuts.
He did say that the problem was for all teams and managers, not just Arsenal.Arsene Wenger complains about the fixtures despite having the best set of winter games with the least travel.
Just an excited fan persona took over for a second. 
Of course he has an agenda against you.
Agreed, the rule is flawed, and you're right, a great deal of handball that is called isn't deliberate, because the discretion applied is inconsistent. That's the problem. But the rule as it is states that it has to be deliberate, and this wasn't. I say - Bin the rule, make all handball contact an indirect free kick, unless it denies a clear goal scoring opportunity in the box, then it's a penalty.
Disagree with his arms being in that position. Footballers shouldn't be expected to play with their hands behind their back. Having arms isn't handball. He wasn't just standing ground trying to block a cross where you mostly see it happen, he was in full motion, running forwards to close him down. His arms were infront of him for balance, not out wide or above his head. Considering the circumstances they were in a natural position.
Different referee?
Refs are shit, inconsistent etc etc, but they don't seem accountable for any mistakes so nothing will improve.
It was clear WBA player was going in such a position to make a cross. As a professional defender in such a situation you should be easily anticipating that and run to close on him with your body. Keep your hands in front of you like this are like asking for trouble, as if you're asking the opposition player to hit them and leave the call for the ref. The opposition player take full advantage of situation and hit the cross in his hand. I can't really blame anyone here but Arsenal's player. His defending was very poor from the start imo.
Yoshida had his hands up, they had nothing to search there. -> no penalty
Chambers had them close to his body -> penalty
It's a joke. No chance we can get into the top 4 with these decision. two irregular goals against watford, haven't got a penalty against stoke, the city offside and today...
Surely you did not watch us against Leicester and Burnley then. We should have beaten Leicester by 4 or 5 goals. Burnley we were poor first half but second half Lingard missed a great chance and we did create enough to beat. Yesterday we were poor but even then we were denied a clear Penalty. My point is we were no different than what you were today.You need to create lots of chances to get lucky with one of them
In the reverse fixture Rodriquez was denied a clean pen.
Wenger's response:
Wenger's response:
Today one goes against them and a completely different tone:
Only just seen the penalty decision, wow. Mike Dean's incompetence knows no bounds.
His hands were infront of him and parallel with his body. He was running to close him down and then had to come to a halt, you can't do that with your hands by your side or behind your back. They have to be in front. Given what he was doing and had every right to do, they're in the most natural of natural positions. So long as the rule is 'deliberate', he's not done anything wrong, because it's not deliberate. Change the rule, or apply it properly.
The rule is worthless if the referees are just going to apply their own rules to it, with every referee seeing it differently.
Another masterful performance from Mike Dean. Its actually easier to point out games where the ref has a good game compared to not.
In virtually every game, no matter what ref, they will make a shocking decisions. All the refs in this league are left to manage the game like dictators rather than referees.
In virtually every game, no matter what ref, they will make a shocking decisions. All the refs in this league are left to manage the game like dictators rather than referees.
I think the defenders shouldn't depend much on that "deliberate" part. The rule is obviously flawed and depends only on the ref opinion on the handball, much like teams playing on offside trap are risking their luck because a single ref mistake can cost them the full game. Defenders should try to evade hand balls as much as possible instead of risking their luck with the ref.
You're lucky every referee has an agenda against us.
I'll say it again, the handball law is one of the most shockingly worded in the entire law book and until it's sorted it's going to cause issues.
It does make me laugh though how often you see people say things along the lines of 'it doesn't matter if its deliberate, it hit his hand' in threads like these. I don't understand how people can talk about football on online forums and still not know the law.
It does make me laugh though how often you see people say things along the lines of 'it doesn't matter if its deliberate, it hit his hand' in threads like these. I don't understand how people can talk about football on online forums and still not know the law.
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, speaking to Sky Sports about West Brom's penalty: “What can you do – talk and talk and talk but it doesn’t change anything.
"The Premier League does face a problem with the scheduling and referees.
"I tried hard with referees to help them become professional. The level of the referees unfortunately doesn’t go up.
"It’s not the first time it happened but it’s best we don’t talk about it.
"I believe West Brom had five days to prepare and we had three. The Premier League has to look at when the schedule is fair and unfair, on our side it’s unfair.
"Since the start of the season you have to look at it."
On the introduction of video assistant referees: "I don’t know why we wait for it such a long time in the best league in the world when other teams use it already."
"The Premier League does face a problem with the scheduling and referees.
"I tried hard with referees to help them become professional. The level of the referees unfortunately doesn’t go up.
"It’s not the first time it happened but it’s best we don’t talk about it.
"I believe West Brom had five days to prepare and we had three. The Premier League has to look at when the schedule is fair and unfair, on our side it’s unfair.
"Since the start of the season you have to look at it."
On the introduction of video assistant referees: "I don’t know why we wait for it such a long time in the best league in the world when other teams use it already."
I know what you're saying but for me if the player gets an advantage then it's a foul. Deliberate or not.
The player stopped the ball with his arm.
Peno
That's Arsene, from year zero.
The thing is though, very rarely will you see a player use his hand deliberately.
Just roll on the VAR and start really punishing incompetence. I couldn't care less if my team concede a stupid 97th minute penalty if that's the correct decision.
I'd much prefer being angry at one of our player than a bald tw*t who acts like he's God almighty with a smirk on his face.
I'd much prefer being angry at one of our player than a bald tw*t who acts like he's God almighty with a smirk on his face.
His hands are inline with his body. If his hands arent there the ball hits his body anyway. It's not a handball at all.
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Well, feck you too.
(my Cech impression)
Well, feck you too.
(my Cech impression)
So you are allowed to slap the ball out of play as long as your arms are inline with your body?
Needs to shave his head.
Balding + hat-hair = not a good look.
The referees are an absolute shitshow. They just make it up. Something has to change. We can start my making the rules more conspicuous. Nobody has a clue about handball.
He didn't even get an advantage. If it didn't hit his arm it would have gone harmlessly onto his body and he'd have cleared it. As it is, his hand knocked it back to Gibbs, so if anything it was a disadvantage. Not that this matters, anyway. It has to be deliberate according to the rules, and it doesn't meet the criteria for the more 'unwritten' rules we seem to have such as being in an unnatural position.
The rules are largely irrelevant to referees. They will make things up and run wild with their imagination when applying the rules. This is because refs are untouchable and have no accountability.
I think the only way refs will become better, is if football clubs band together and pressure them but it probably wont happen.
What? How is that even the same thing?