To be fair, he dismissed the absurd view that Sane might lose a load of attributes once he and Pep are parted by saying Pep isn't magic. Nothing controversial about that.
Leroy Sane watch | Feb 2020: Returning to fitness with City's U23s
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I've been disappointed in him when he's been playing down the right, it makes him one dimensional. The difference between him and players like Hazard, Robben, Martial who cut in are that they are good at either passing or scoring (or both in the case of Robben). Sane's strength is his pure speed, crossing and close control when on the run, that makes him an incredibly effect pure winger. The others are effective cutting in because they can play an incisive pass when he come into the middle but Sane doesn't have the same passing ability, he instead is better than them at whipping the ball in.
Sane needs space infront of him to run into to be effective, he won't get it if he has to always cut into the middle and into a rush of players. I think he's the closest player, in terms of style and potential, we've seen to Giggs in the Premier League.
-----Kroos---Gündogan-----
----------Müller------------
Reus-----Werner-----Sané
Screw defending
Low is batsh*t crazy enough to try that.-----Kroos---Gündogan-----
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Reus-----Werner-----Sané
Screw defending
Goals guaranteed! Probably on either end
Guardiolas system suits him a lot but there's no doubt that Guardiolas system requires a player like him, they are heavily reliant on Sane's ability to beat a man especially in tight games.
On most occasions City players step away from him helping him operate in bigger spaces when attacking defenders. It reminds me of how van gaal used Martial. We need to do the same instead of trying to fit all our players in tight spaces, we should help isolate the likes of Sanchez Lingard Martial Rashford on the wings. We don't nearly do enough of that. In general the spacing between our players IMO is one of the key factors behind Martial and Rashford not playing as well as they potentially can.
It's helped Sane to express himself and Guardiolas has done well to play to his strengths.
On most occasions City players step away from him helping him operate in bigger spaces when attacking defenders. It reminds me of how van gaal used Martial. We need to do the same instead of trying to fit all our players in tight spaces, we should help isolate the likes of Sanchez Lingard Martial Rashford on the wings. We don't nearly do enough of that. In general the spacing between our players IMO is one of the key factors behind Martial and Rashford not playing as well as they potentially can.
It's helped Sane to express himself and Guardiolas has done well to play to his strengths.
--------Werner------- | Wagner (Stindl/Volland/Gomez)
Sané----Reus---Müller | Draxler/Özil/Götze (Schürrle/Brandt)
----Kroos-Khedira | Gündogan/Goretzka/Can (Rudy/Weigl)
(optional squad replacements)
We might see something like this. Although the more I think about it the less I actually see Sané starting, as crazy as that may sound. I'd say Sané/Reus/Özil/Draxler all have chances to start. Sané is the one Löw has used the least so far, so he might be hesitant to turn him into a starter now.
The line of Sané Reus Müller could also be Reus Müller Sané.
Sané----Reus---Müller | Draxler/Özil/Götze (Schürrle/Brandt)
----Kroos-Khedira | Gündogan/Goretzka/Can (Rudy/Weigl)
(optional squad replacements)
We might see something like this. Although the more I think about it the less I actually see Sané starting, as crazy as that may sound. I'd say Sané/Reus/Özil/Draxler all have chances to start. Sané is the one Löw has used the least so far, so he might be hesitant to turn him into a starter now.
The line of Sané Reus Müller could also be Reus Müller Sané.
It's his inherited balance that is equally as impressive for me. His transferral of weight from side to side allied to his burst of pace makes an in-form Sané a formidable weapon for City.
For me Sane (and sterling to some degree) has been the difference for city this season.
They now have, in addition to their usual high pressing atacking phase of play, an outlet to play on the counter too.
I have noticed that they seem to be less predictable in comparison to last season. Their wingers offer a different dynamic especially since sterling has found form.
As for us, we seem too predictable when we attack, with the majority of play going through the left channels. I'm glad that sanchez played on the right against Chelsea but I felt that our attacks down the right were lacklustre. However, it was Lukaku assist from the right that won us the game in the end. I just hope that moving forward we can balance our stacks down both sides to give us a bit more unpredictability.
They now have, in addition to their usual high pressing atacking phase of play, an outlet to play on the counter too.
I have noticed that they seem to be less predictable in comparison to last season. Their wingers offer a different dynamic especially since sterling has found form.
As for us, we seem too predictable when we attack, with the majority of play going through the left channels. I'm glad that sanchez played on the right against Chelsea but I felt that our attacks down the right were lacklustre. However, it was Lukaku assist from the right that won us the game in the end. I just hope that moving forward we can balance our stacks down both sides to give us a bit more unpredictability.
He is benefiting from Pep's system but of course you have to put the hard work in to adapt to what your coach is asking. Costa looked liked a world beater under Pep too but he doesn't look as good now at Juventus. So did Coman. Peps system is very beneficial to wingers and under a different manager I'm 100% sure Sane and Sterling wouldn't be the threats they are now.
7-1 every game-----Kroos---Gündogan-----
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Reus-----Werner-----Sané
Screw defending
Costa looked like a world beater for half a season, at most. And Coman is actually doing better under Heynckes than under Pep (way better even, but that will also be due to age), so, that's kinda a moot point
Exactly. Reminds me of a Cryuff quote. "If you want to help me, don't move towards me. Move away from me."
More of that and you'll be banned for not gargling on Paypaldiola's bollocks. This forum hasn't gotten so ridiculous that some actually think Guardiola is some sort of magician, as if no attacking player is complete without being coached by him.Just read interview with him where he mentions Timothy fosu mensah as the toughest opponent he’s faced
I came in here to post that. He said TFM had him under control both times he faced him!
Not a great match against Brazil. He tried alot but didn't deliver anything notable. I'm looking forward to see if he can show the same level of performance as he shows at City, in a team with a different style of play.
He’s generally terrible for Germany. Doesn’t fit out style and isn’t creative enough. Reus will start over him, probably even Draxler.
Have to say there is something refreshing about seeing a winger playing on what used to be considered their natural side. Width, creates space by drawing defenders out to him, keeps the tempo high. Bored watching cut in types just looking for the shot, it is effective but it hardly gets the blood pumping like a winger running direct at full back. Low % play maybe for the modern game, come inside, if the shot is on take it, if not recycle the ball and try it again. Control territory and possession.
They don't have too many minutes between them in the last year. Especially Reus.
Feel he is always really nervous when he plays for Germany like he is that kid who needs to prove himself so he tries too hard. It doesn't help he plays best as a more traditional winger and with how Germany play with their fullbacks practically playing as wingbacks he takes up a role he doesn't appear very comfortable in.
While watching the match yesterday I was wondering why is it that Sane does so much better for City (and even for Schalke to be honest) than he has for Germany. In his defense, he has been playing as a RW in some matches, which doesn't suit him at all and is not his best position. But even in the games he has played at LW, he's generally been poor.
I think Sane needs a defensive LB or someone who cuts into the middle to allow him more space to attack the full back. If the LB moves inside then he'l take a defender with him and therefore Sane can be left one on one with the opposition RB. What we saw yesterday, and generally for Germany, is a lack of space for Sane on the left as it can get very congested with the opposition RB, RW and his team's LB all in the same tight space, which forces him to either pass the ball back/sideways.
Maybe Low would have to look to restrict Hector's runs forward if he plans to play Sane at LW. Otherwise with Reus/Draxler cutting in, it would be essential to have an attacking LB.
I think Sane needs a defensive LB or someone who cuts into the middle to allow him more space to attack the full back. If the LB moves inside then he'l take a defender with him and therefore Sane can be left one on one with the opposition RB. What we saw yesterday, and generally for Germany, is a lack of space for Sane on the left as it can get very congested with the opposition RB, RW and his team's LB all in the same tight space, which forces him to either pass the ball back/sideways.
Maybe Low would have to look to restrict Hector's runs forward if he plans to play Sane at LW. Otherwise with Reus/Draxler cutting in, it would be essential to have an attacking LB.
To be honest I don't think many of Citys players would look like the same world beaters outside of Peps system. Especially not the defenders .
Yesterday, he had to cooperate with Plattenhardt, which certainly didn't help.
I'm no fan of Pep (check my posting history!) but I thought Stones and especially Walker and Sterling have looked much improved for England in recent matches.
Is Reus fit ? I mean I know he came back not long ago but fit enough for the world cup ?
Plattenhardt was actually one of the better players yesterday, wasn't his fault Sane was playing like a blind chicken.
Don't feel he's the kind of super talent that will shine in just every setup. City's system helps many of these individuals look a level above. The passing combinations and movements are heavily rehearsed and it helps these players look more efficient
possibly - "blin chicken" was my impression of him anyway, the one time i saw him play live for 90 minutes (Bayern-Schalke, like 2 years ago) - very fast obviously, good technique, but not really much in the "vision" department. Usually it was like: receive ball - put head down - start running until ball is taken from him - repeat.
Haven't really watch much of him since he arrived at city. In the state i remember him in, i was glad we had Coman and not him.
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Coman is OK, but there is a huge, huge difference in their output towards Sane, in a positive way I mean.
Well maybe sometimes it's just the fact that if a player knows his teammates really well at club level and doesn't know those at the international level too well yet the performances will be different.
Draxler won´t start either. Kroos buried the whole team yesterday and rightfully so. This was their last opportunity to show they belonged in the first 11 or/and the WC squad and they showed nothing: Gomez, Draxler, Sane, Gundogan, Goretzka. AWFUL performances. Rudiger was the only one that had a good game. Their performances told Low to play the Spain 11. It got slightly better with the substitutes.
I have always said that Martial is the better player than Sane, which is now seen as a somewhat controversial view to have, in England anyway. Both 22 but Martial is less predictable and has more assets in my view than Sane. I think he's a decent player but by no means world class, nor do I think he will be,
Sané is the anti-Podolski. Fantastic performances at club level, underwhelming so far for the NT.
But honestly, I think he needs to grow into the NT. The NT has a different hierarchy and structure of seniority than clubs, Draxler for example got in earlier than Sané. Sané still looks not really settled in the team. However, Draxler was poor vs Brazil too. Should he manage to stay uninjured in the coming 2 months, Reus will start anyway.
But honestly, I think he needs to grow into the NT. The NT has a different hierarchy and structure of seniority than clubs, Draxler for example got in earlier than Sané. Sané still looks not really settled in the team. However, Draxler was poor vs Brazil too. Should he manage to stay uninjured in the coming 2 months, Reus will start anyway.
Do you guys think Reus will walk back in the team? I really hope so, just in time before the WC, and the other players who could take his position at LW had been underwhelming for the NT so far. Also Low is faithful to his old guars until they go around in crutches
If Tony had been performing like Sane this season the hype would be through the roof, the second coming of Best or something crazy like that. Sane has been comfortably the best winger / wide player in the league this year. It's difficult to compare them with regards to potential, but in terms of performances Sane has been much better this season.
I personally believe Sane is overrated. He has great potential but he's someone who is made to look a lot better than he is in Guardiola's system which allows wingers to perform better. His performances with Germany prove it. Calling him world class now is very premature. Martial has more goals than Sane in much less minutes this season and I think 4/5 assists less and you could say Martial hasn't been as consistent but Sane is supposed to be in the form of his life. Don't get me wrong Sane is one of the best wingers in Europe currently but he's not the second coming of Messi like people make him out to be. At best I think he'll reach the levels that Bale did because they're similar players.
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Reus would definitely walk into the team. No matter how much he's injured he still plays at an incredibly high level and he's returned to good form again after being out for close to 9 months. He's better than most of Germany's attacking players, let alone Sane and Draxler.
And just when i say this, he's out of the Bayern match at the weekend
Harsh on Goretzka, he was played out of position at RW and so it was likely he wouldn't play to his best level. An interesting question would be who to play if either of Khedira or Kroos get injured, Goretzka or Gundogan? Goretzka was superb In the Confed Cup but Gundogan has more big game experience so it would be a tough choice. Gundogan himself has generally for well for Germany, though he was poor yesterday.
I think he is the best left Winger in The Premier league. His Talent is insane, he is a demon for every enemy Team
Martial is a striker, Sane is a winger.