Depends how we finish the year. If we lay a turd in the final and don’t finish strong in the league then it won’t be good.
Martial has got to remain at United | No, he hasn't been unfollowing United players on Instagram
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Weird defeat to to blame on the managar that. WBA ffs.
Conte specifically will be leaving this summer because he was upset with the transfer policy, lack of support from above etc, it was always going to spell the end. Mourinho is loved at United and has the backing of the board and therefore much less chance of being allienated by the club. It’s not factual, what’s factual in life when predicting future events? Nothing. It’s obviously my opinion.
I think it’s harsh to say Mourinho is doing bare minimum. Our highest league finish since 13, our highest points tally since 13, most clean sheets, probably our strongest squad with the most potential, with a manager who’s bedded in now and settled, beating every side in the league for the first time. So many improvements, just take a look at the playing squad he inherited, it was broken and average, so many players not good enough. Now through his transfers has risen the standard dramatically. He should be praised for 2nd place now being “bare minimum” as it’s he that’s raised the standards.
He hasn’t raised the standards at all. The standards were set long before he was managing Porto.
Anyway, Martial thread so let’s not waste anymore time discussing Jose.
This! You know the same people that don't mind him going, will be first to moan and go on about it. I'd rather keep Martial than Jose. Extremely unlikely Jose will be here in 3 years. I'm thinking long term and this would be a huge mistake to sell, with that said I wonder if he's willing to fight for his place? Jose could fall out with his shadow.
We are on Mourinho because you decided to join in a debate I was having with another member when he said Martial shouldn't be sold by someone who might not be here in a year, so on the subject of Martials future I debated why Mourinho would be here in a year. If you're not happy with the narrative of the conversation, you really don't have to join in mid-way through a debate.
HOW can you say he hasn't risen the standards.
Since 2013-14 he has massively improved the standards. It's because of him you're unhappy with an 80+ point finish and only the 3 major cup finals in 2 seasons.
You think we're at the same level as when we finished 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th? When we could barely give a top side a game let alone finish above them all.
I didn't remember any other united young talent causing so much argument , if it was SAF or Pep who bench and sold him, we won't see many complain but since it's Jose the "talent ruiner" , people make a fuss out of it
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No, it's also because Jose has let go of super talents that are now presently tearing up the Premier league. Kevin De Bryune and Mo Salah. To a lesser extent, Romelu Lukaka for us.
Do you really want to see Martial fulfilling his potential with an Arsenal or a City?
The fact is, Martial FC does not care for the player more than the club, like some schmucks like to insinuate. What we do want, is that a talent like him gets to thrive in the team. And that's not going to happen by bringing much older players in his position.
What we can see though is Sanchez coming in and martial getting upset at competition. That’s really a coward’s way out. At city, Bernardo Silva has more competition than martial does. Does he get upset at not playing? He is just a year older.
So, have you been talking to Martial lately? Coward's way out apparently. Also, keep in mind Martial had been playing very well, before he was replaced by Sanchez who has and can play on the right hand side. Bernardo Silva joined a team which already had a better Silva and De Bryune. He very well knew what he was getting into.
It's really not that tough to imagine a hypothetical scenario where a Chelsea side lines up with Lukaku upfront, De Bryune behind him. Hazard and Salah on the flanks. This team would absolutely walk the premier league.
How is a scenario like this not a concern, when we ourselves have seen something similar happen to us with Pogba.
How is a scenario like this not a concern, when we ourselves have seen something similar happen to us with Pogba.
Thing is he wasn't playing well, he was sporadic during games and not really working hard enough for the managers liking. Thus he was substituted a fair amount. Sanchez works his nuts off for the team when things aren't working for him. As has been said many times, the talent is there with Martial, but the work ethic is questionable. Hopefully he can turn things around...
Back then Salah, De Bruyne and Lukaku didnt warrant a starter. No one get a fussed when Salah went to Fiorentina ffs. I remember people thought he was just a speed merchant. Do you see Salah become what he is today back then?
Lukaku wont get over Costa and Jose still won them a PL title at least.
So doesn't that warrant more time for Martial to develop?
If he leaves, it'll be because he wants to. He will get lots of game time at United, but looks like he wants out as he wants to start every game...
He wants to leave for more playing time. That’s quite obviously the case. Manchester United does not have to cater to martial’s whims by not buying anyone else for attack. Sanchez is a world class player so he is always going to be preferred over anyone else. Martial started 3 of the next 4 PL games. He was dropped only when it was proving futile starting him.
Sanchez was persisted because if Sanchez gets into form he is one of the best players in the league. You might talk about how Matic and lukaku are starting games even in bad form but that’s the same reason as well. Lukaku has the proven pedigree of a consistent goalscorer that he can fall back on to demand a starting place.
On joining united, one should also be clear that if the chance arises united will buy players for competition. If you expect to start all games without competition then you should join Crystal Palace.
Things don't happen in an idealistic vacuum like that . Talented players need and get attention from managers. Cristiano Ronaldo for example used to get seom weeks off as winter approached to keep him fit for the next part of the season. The same treatment wasn't metted out to outhr players. That worked out pretty well till the day that he was sold.
Martial has shown in the past and in this season that he can be clutch in the big matches and displaced Rashford from the lineup. But he has never been given the same amount of leeway that Rashford has received. I agree that Sanchez is a world class player but that doesn't mean you let someone as talented as Martial leave. Because frankly that never works out for the selling team.
Because at the same time martial also spent a good part of last season not performing due to his personal issues. He started the first few games under Mourinho but was struggling for form for a long time. If Ronaldo had done something like this Fergie would have booted him immediately.
Are you sure? Because I distinctly remember him not playing a single minute in the Super up after destroying Madrid's defence in the preseason. Also, initially Rashford started most of the matches, and Martial would come off the bench to score goals. I mean, the bolded bit is just not true.
Also, you have a very different memory of Sir Alex especially when it comes to young players.
I can understand if He's only played like 8-9 games this season and wants to leave. The reality is He played much more than that so now it's up to him, fight for your spot or leave, his choice. He can't just say "Well the club bought someone better and older than me so it's pointless for me to be here" and uses it as an excuse. When it was only between him and Rashford, there was no fuss because maybe He thought He had a chance but when someone in the caliber of Sanchez came, the rumors of him leaving were appearing everywhere. That's not the kind of mentality I want from a Manchester United player, if someone's better than you, learn from him, take your chances, You have age and talent on your side.
The comparison with Ronaldo is laughable, not only from talent point of view (Ronaldo was 19 when He tore PL defenders a new arsehole) but also from mentality point of view. One is a clear winner, the other started to whinge when the club bought someone better than him. As I said, it's an unfair comparison and people should stop using Ronaldo as an excuse for Martial to be treated as "someone special". SAF treated Ronaldo differently because He knew He had a real world class talent in his hands and He did that after Ronaldo had proven himself to be a world class player, Martial is still nothing in comparison.
I hope Martial will remain a Manchester United player next season. The talent is clear, the mentality? He needs to show it more.
The comparison with Ronaldo is laughable, not only from talent point of view (Ronaldo was 19 when He tore PL defenders a new arsehole) but also from mentality point of view. One is a clear winner, the other started to whinge when the club bought someone better than him. As I said, it's an unfair comparison and people should stop using Ronaldo as an excuse for Martial to be treated as "someone special". SAF treated Ronaldo differently because He knew He had a real world class talent in his hands and He did that after Ronaldo had proven himself to be a world class player, Martial is still nothing in comparison.
I hope Martial will remain a Manchester United player next season. The talent is clear, the mentality? He needs to show it more.
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Would like to see him stay but I don't think he's a fighter. I also see more personal issues ahead, given how he's now having a second kid with a new girl.
I don't think he has the mentality and focus to go to the top. Has time to straighten out but given this tantrum I don't think it will.
I don't think he has the mentality and focus to go to the top. Has time to straighten out but given this tantrum I don't think it will.
The club haven’t really got an option but to sell if he continues to not sign a new contract. His contract is out at the end of 19/20 and we can’t just let him walk out at the end, we spent too much for that to happen. I suspect we’ll be shopping him around this summer due to that.
If he leaves United he’ll have to take a pay cut, Italian and German teams don’t pay as much as PL teams and there’s no guarantee he’d get any more game time elsewhere unless he joins a team that’s a step down from United’s size.
If he was made of the right stuff, he’d have knuckled down, signed a new contract and started putting performances in during training that we’re good enough to keep Sánchez out of the team or heaven forbid, learn to play on the right wing seeing as the position is basically anyone’s who wants it.
What we’ve got instead is a load of sulking and him getting his misses to send Tweets about him being wasted on the right...
Martial will do what he thinks what is best for him. The club will do what they think is best for the club, Mou being the key decision maker in this. Won't be surprised if Martial is sold this summer, however, I personally prefer him to stay. In couple of years, if he stays injury-free, he will be a lethal forward imo.
Let's not revisit Rashford vs Martial debate. Rashford got benched after failing to get over his bad form. Rashford's hard work however despite bad form is appreciated thus he was given minutes as sub to help him work his way out of dipped form, AND that's with Martial as starter for a period. Martial did well, but hardly sticking all boxes of expectation. Plenty period of a game he looked ordinary and having little influence.
When compare to Ronaldo, one should notice a huge difference. Ronaldo is born hard worker. He had problem adapting PL, but it's not all down to him and his work ethnic, but where he came from and his age. His body was not growing out enough for PL demand. He was into showboating style of Latin attacker while PL prefer to the point attacker. It took time for him to mature, but there was not a single case talking about Ronaldo needed to do more/ get more involved/ influence in the game. With Martial, Jardim had a work in progress with him at Monaco.
As others have said, it's up to Martial. It's not like he is being pushed out of the club. It's his decision whether he feels he deserves more by moving, or he accepts the challenge and fights.
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You are really young I guess. You have no idea about SAF, don't use the great man's name to defend Jose.
If any player struggles because of personal issues, SAF used to give time off and provide every possible help to get it sorted. You guys need to chill and read about the great man instead of throwing his name randomly to defend everything Jose does or did.
Again you have no idea what was told to B.Silva when he was signed and what was promised to Martial when he was signed. You are too quick to throw words like "coward" "mentally weak" at a player who was out of favor last season and won his place back with his performances.
If a player doesn't believe in coach he has every right to ask for transfer just like how any coach who doesn't believe in players sells them. Using "coward" "mentally weak" is pathetic and Jose fans should calm down a bit.
Think he's talking about this season mate.
Ohhhhh
Tbh we don't even need to imagine what was respectively to both players. Both situations are completely different, B.Silva knew he wasn't gonna be a starter and he knew who he was joining to compete against for places. Martial didn't think Sanchez was gonna be signed in January. The comparison made by that poster is nonsense
Not this season. Last season martial started first games for us. It’s quite clear in the post that it’s regarding last season.
The guy wants and needs to play, and find his form and level. I think United has been good for him, because it has shown him both glory, and being the No 1 guy... and then what happens when the squad competition increases, and new manager comes in... it's been a good experience for him.
I think we let him go... his game needs to evolve, it's too predictable, and I feel he has forgotten how to play with freedom and instinct. Rashford has retained this, one of the reasons I rate him so, so highly.
Just think Martial needs to think about what type of player and career he wants to have. If he wants to play every week, with no competition, then he better go Arsenal, or abroad.
I think we let him go... his game needs to evolve, it's too predictable, and I feel he has forgotten how to play with freedom and instinct. Rashford has retained this, one of the reasons I rate him so, so highly.
Just think Martial needs to think about what type of player and career he wants to have. If he wants to play every week, with no competition, then he better go Arsenal, or abroad.
I agree that one is mostly down to lack of fight and spirit. For me that one goes mostly on the players and I am by no means a Mou man so to say.
Now this is one truly strange post.
Don't even know where to start with this cringeworthy post and definitely not going to question your age.
Swap him for Douglas Costa or Ousmanne Dembele!
I don't fight for him to stay, but its this type of crap that annoys me.
The guy has fought all last season and this, and in Jan was one of the best players in the side (wining player of the month) before he got dumped
Lets not act like he hasn't had to fight harder than most in the side to get minutes please.
What a pathetic tweet.
So how much are we getting from him? 40M or more?
But he did fight, from a player who was out of squad he established himself as first left wing option and then he first lost that place to sanchez just because alexis is here, then he got one chance on right wing against spurs and then finished on the bench.
Seems to me that we mix two stories here on this thread. How good is martial really(is he good enough for first 11) and his view on whole situation.
Player wants to play. Situation is that he will be benched for next season also. Jose finally accepts that 433 is the best formation, lukaku is safe, alexis is safe, lingard and rashford have advantage on right wing. So, seems to me we can't keep him happy. It is not his fault, jose's fault or ed's fault. Maybe jose could prevent this by playing alexis on rw but after city and spurs game, it would be strange decision. Alexis is the best on lw and the fact is that he is now better player than martial.
As i said earlier, martial could and will be one of the best lw in the world but it will not be here.
Very few people disagreed with his decision to let these two players go when they were at Chelsea.