Arteta?
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For a manager who has been furious with his board not getting the players he wanted I'm not sure what Conte will do with Arsenal's board then.
I think the right choice is Jardim. Not a tier 1 manager but he has the ability to do a job even with less requirements and can challenge for 4th spot for 2 or 3 years till they rebuild their rubbish squad then they can get one of the top names around.
Names like Carlo or Enrique will instantly fail before even managing one match with that squad they have. They need someone to get them past the inevitable transitional period and Jardim looks like a good choice for that.
C'mon, I want them to have a Moyes moment and fall even further.
Arteta or Vieira would be hilarious
Still think Tuchel would be the best fit. When Wenger came to Arsenal, he was a visionary and reformist. This description applies to Tuchel nowadays. He could modernize Arsenal and bring them back to their former glory. Would be a much better match for Tuchel, too, since his ways will definitely cause much tension with the owners as well as the stars at PSG. Think he needs more reputation before he can enforce himself in such an environment. Even at Dortmund he clashed with Watzke who albeit being difficult at times is no comparison to what he will find in Paris.
Arsenal would be the perfect destination for him at this point of his career while the club is in desperate need of someone like him and would probably grant him much freedom and responsibilities. Plus he has worked with Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang really successfully (maybe that was a reason for these transfers, too?) and Arsenal has many players with connections to Germany/the Bundesliga: Özil, Mustafi, Xhaka, Kolasinac, Mustafi, Mertesacker (will probably take over a role at the club after his career), Aubameyang, Mkhitaryan.. They like to target players in the Bundesliga and Tuchel could be another good argument to convince candidates.
Arteta would of course be a logical choice as well, especially if he has learned from Guardiola. But Tuchel would really be a match made in heaven in my eyes. The situation fits, the identity/character of club and coach, it would be aligned with the general strategy of the club and so forth..
Arsenal would be the perfect destination for him at this point of his career while the club is in desperate need of someone like him and would probably grant him much freedom and responsibilities. Plus he has worked with Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang really successfully (maybe that was a reason for these transfers, too?) and Arsenal has many players with connections to Germany/the Bundesliga: Özil, Mustafi, Xhaka, Kolasinac, Mustafi, Mertesacker (will probably take over a role at the club after his career), Aubameyang, Mkhitaryan.. They like to target players in the Bundesliga and Tuchel could be another good argument to convince candidates.
Arteta would of course be a logical choice as well, especially if he has learned from Guardiola. But Tuchel would really be a match made in heaven in my eyes. The situation fits, the identity/character of club and coach, it would be aligned with the general strategy of the club and so forth..
If they are going to go for an ex player then he would make the most sense given that he's gained experience under probably the best manager in the world (apparently he's also very well thought of at City) and has a much more recent connection to Arsenal than the likes of Vieira who left a very different club more than a decade ago.
That being said, there's a major rebuilding job to be done at Arsenal and that would be a huge amount for a first-time manager to take on. It isn't like when Guardiola took over at Barca where the atmosphere was clearly rotten but there was still a very talented squad that needed to be guided by a quality coach and manager, this is more like when Ferguson left in that he'd be replacing a legendary figure and mostly with a squad that isn't good enough.
That being said, there's a major rebuilding job to be done at Arsenal and that would be a huge amount for a first-time manager to take on. It isn't like when Guardiola took over at Barca where the atmosphere was clearly rotten but there was still a very talented squad that needed to be guided by a quality coach and manager, this is more like when Ferguson left in that he'd be replacing a legendary figure and mostly with a squad that isn't good enough.
Think the situation is completely different. Ferguson didn't leave during his very best but he had still just won the league and probably everybody would have been happy if he would have continued. Wenger missed the right moment to step back and the fans are demanding his departure for quite a while now. He's been heavily criticized for at least three years now.
Moyes may have been a disaster as a manager but that aside he definitely faced a difficult situation. At Arsenal, people are aware that there needs to be a caesura but at United people thought that the team was just fine.
Despite that I think that the squad is much more talented than people give them credit for. Özil, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang are really good players who could harmonize much better than Sanchez and Özil. Both Mkhi and Auba are players who want to make runs and receive passes behind the lines which suits Özil very well. Sanchez is a player who prefers to get the ball into his feet and start dribbling and creating on his own. They also have very good CBs with Bellerin and Kolasinac.
Think they have some squad weaknesses like the CBs, the CM and probably the wingers but apart from that, this team looks dope if you ask me. Could turn into a really good squad with the right kind of manager.
Ivan Gazidis: Arsenal need to be open minded and bold in search of new manager.
So, thats it.......Its Arteta!
I"m really curious to see who they end up with...We didn't really have to deal with months of speculation when SAF left...SAF announced his retirement and then within 48 hours Moyes was announced as his successor.But Arsenal fans have to endure weeks and weeks of speculation before they figure out who's going to take over next season....
I personally think that Carlo Ancelotti is the outstanding choice...It's amazing that people are writing him off because of a bad 3 month spell at the beginning of this season.He's 58,has plenty of football left in him....Has managed an incredible list of clubs-Juventus,Milan,PSG,Chelsea,Real Madrid,Bayern Munich....For christs sake,that's a scary list!!He's a 3 time CL winner....He knows what it takes to win the PL...He's lived in London before,which will obviously help and he's not going to be intimidated taking over from Wenger...He's had a far more successful career than Wenger...
If I was Stan Kroenke I would give the job to Ancelotti,it's not even close....
I personally think that Carlo Ancelotti is the outstanding choice...It's amazing that people are writing him off because of a bad 3 month spell at the beginning of this season.He's 58,has plenty of football left in him....Has managed an incredible list of clubs-Juventus,Milan,PSG,Chelsea,Real Madrid,Bayern Munich....For christs sake,that's a scary list!!He's a 3 time CL winner....He knows what it takes to win the PL...He's lived in London before,which will obviously help and he's not going to be intimidated taking over from Wenger...He's had a far more successful career than Wenger...
If I was Stan Kroenke I would give the job to Ancelotti,it's not even close....
So apart from centre back, centre midfield and out wide (you're being very generous to Cech) the squad is in good shape? The three players you mentioned are good players but they're all 29, not old but not the ideal age when there's so much rebuilding to be done elsewhere as by the time they do the rest then suddenly they will need replacing especially Aubameyang whose game is hugely reliant on his pace.
I do agree that there is maybe a chance that this will galvanise them in way it couldn't United because they wanted Wenger to leave while we obviously wanted United to stay but the situation is the same that the squads are made up of quality players in their late 20s/early 30s and mostly average players below that. Perhaps we were more delusional about where we were than Arsenal will be but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of their squad isn't good enough. This is a club that is actually worried about whether Jack Wilshere will stay.
Arteta would cost a bomb in hair dye alone.
I get what you mean but I think the lack of proper, modern coaching makes most players look worse than they actually are. Wilshere i a prime example I think. He is brillant on the ball and I think has really great potential for a CM but of course he has to be placed in a system that allows him to utilizes his strengthes and compensates his weaknesses. See someone like Busquets. In the Barcelona style he looks absolutely amazing and is probably the best defensive midfielder of the decade but outside of it he would probably seem like a fish out of water since he would need to cover more ground.
And this makes it even harder for young players to shine. Experienced ones can "improvise" but especially young talents need something they can orient themselves at. I believe that many, many of Arsenal's players would look totally improved if the team would have a tactical concept on the pitch. Iwobi is another player of this sort, I believe.
I can kind of see what Arsenal would be going for under Arteta - aiming for the Barcelona approach of appointing a youthful, modern manager who's fairly in-touch with the club and who can revolutionise their style. He's probably learned a lot under Guardiola and always struck me as a fairly intelligent player; I'm sure he's got a good grasp of the game.
But for someone who'd be a new manager I'm not quite sure he'd command the respect at a squad which I think needs to be practically torn to shreds, either through being rebuilt or giving some of its established stars a swift boot up the arse. In that respect an established manager may work better; someone like Simeone will have a bit of an aura when he comes into the club, and even if he makes a relatively poor start in his first few games it'll take longer for the knives to come out than they would for Arteta.
But for someone who'd be a new manager I'm not quite sure he'd command the respect at a squad which I think needs to be practically torn to shreds, either through being rebuilt or giving some of its established stars a swift boot up the arse. In that respect an established manager may work better; someone like Simeone will have a bit of an aura when he comes into the club, and even if he makes a relatively poor start in his first few games it'll take longer for the knives to come out than they would for Arteta.
Wenger being frugal had a lot to do with the stadium move. Wenger has even talked about it himself:
(Article is from May 2017)
The financial pressure eased in 2010 when Highbury Square development was debt free and making revenue, but they had also accepted unusually long-term deals for several of their main commercial revenue streams back in 2006, like kit manufacturers and shirt sponsors. Deals that would been worse of then all their main competitors in the later years of the deals. When those deals expired in 2014, they were able to negotiate new and way better deals, which gave them a huge boost in the coffers.
In recent years, Arsenal have had more money to spend, and Wenger have spent more. Özil for 42.5m, Alexis for 30m, Mustafi for 35m, Xhaka for 30m, Lacazette for 46.5m, Aubameyang for 56m.
Maybe they could've been more successful between 2006 and 2014 if they had invested more in the squad, but they had a huge loan to deal with and for the later years of that period they had less than ideal commercial incomes because of the long-term deals. They went the sensible way and Wenger kept them in the Champions League while they did it.
I wonder if Arteta leaves who will Pep bring as his new assistant at City?! Probably Xabi Alonso or even Xavi Hernandez?!
£50mil? Lol Surely that's a lie, that's just enough for bread and milk these days.
That’s concerning for them when you consider how much work that squad needs.
Wenger is leaving them in a poor position.
I think our commercial department, looking at you Gazidis, is leaving us in a far worse position. He's the one in charge of making commercial deals which directly impact the budget we have to spend on money.
Poor commercial deals = less money for transfers.
Although we seem to be the only top club that has a set budget for transfers. Or at the very least a budget so low.
Arsenal can already play football. They just can't defend or stand up to pressure. They could do a lot worse than bringing in a disciplinarian for a season or so.
A couple of new defensive players in the right system would reverse their fortunes. Probably not all the way to top four, since the PL is so stacked at the top end. But they have to be realistic about the progress that can be made against richer clubs who already have a head start on them.
A couple of new defensive players in the right system would reverse their fortunes. Probably not all the way to top four, since the PL is so stacked at the top end. But they have to be realistic about the progress that can be made against richer clubs who already have a head start on them.
I am not surprised by the number being mentioned. It is arsenal after all. It will be a big challenge for the incoming manager to challenge for top 4 with an aging defence. Monreal and Koscielny are 32, Mertesacker is retiring, Cech will be 36 soon. Ozil, Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang are not much younger either.
You make £60 million combined from Puma and Emirates according to Deloitte, we get more just from the deal we fleeced from GM. We are apparently about to steal Palace's shirt sponsor for our sleeves as well.
Gazidas is an idiot, you need a keeper, an entire back four, two or three midfielders and maybe a winger. You are not getting that for £50 million, maybe two of what you need. You are royally fecked for years.
They should learn from our mistakes. Get ancellotti- premier league proven, enough gravitas to take over, good football. They won't get a manager for longer than 3-4 years max and should plan as such.
Allegri and Ancelotti are the 2 best options in my view....But I"m not sure if they would want to work for a club that's not in the CL.Ancelotti is a 3 time winner and his ultimate ambition is to win a 4th CL....No manager in the history of football has ever won 4 CL titles....So not sure if Ancelotti would want a job where there's no guarantee of CL football...
How is Arteta even an option? doesn't make sense at all. Even Moyes appointment made more sense.
Solution for Arsenal : Hire Moyes.
Solution for Arsenal : Hire Moyes.
Or you just spent huge sum within few months on 2 forwards, then having Ozil and Mkhi pushing the wage cap upward.
Also the prospect of 2 consecutive seasons in EL really hit hard. Since Wenger was unofficially let go, you have to pay him his remaining time on the contract too. His wage is definitely expensive.
I would have to agree with what Gary Neville said in the other day about this "opportunity". It is a very challenging job to meet the expectations from the arsenal board (I didn't include the fans because they are irrelevant to the board, it is just a business. ) to challenge top 4 given the resource will be available to the manager, the current state of the team, and the competitiveness of the other top 5 at the moment. I highly doubt Vieria, Henry or Arteta will take the job.
Would like to see they go for Stojkovic. Wenger 2.0
That's precisely the problem with an appointment like Arteta. It doesn't matter how good your tactics are if you can't convince the players to follow them. Add in the fact that relative to Guardiola he had a pretty mediocre playing career and isn't an Arsenal legend unlike Viera and I can see him struggling to gain the respect of the squad.
Also, just because you coached under and learned from a great manager doesn't mean you'll automatically become one yourself. There's a big difference between coaching and managing. Just ask Phelan or Meulensteen.
True, that's a major problem. For as much as I like Arteta he spent the majority of his career under David Moyes and Wenger, the former of whom is notorious for not winning stuff and the latter of whom is notorious for winning very little in the latter stages of his career when Arteta's been there. Obviously we can't exactly judge players on the basis of who they've played for, considering a number of Fergie's former stars have turned out to be duds as managers, but he does seem like the closest thing the club can concoct to a continuation of Wenger. And a continuation of Wenger is the last thing the club need right now.
The worry would be that Arteta's too close to a number of players to go right through them in the way that's needed. It's a bit of a cliche, but if there's ever been a time when a big club have needed a ruthless manager to come in and just tear the club apart then it's now.
If they choose Arteta, they'll present it as a 'bold choice/young manager' thing. In reality they'll be employing someone extremely grateful for the opportunity and so likely to accept a relatively low salary & not speak out about small transfer budgets. This is also why Rodgers has a shout. Same old Arsenal (board)...
I was listening to Gary Neville's podcast last night and he thinks Arsenal should go all out for Simeone. He brought up some good points about Arsenal needing to find a manager who can punch above his weight if they want to win the title again and there's nobody better than Simeone at doing that. We all know Arsenal can't compete with United, City and Chelsea in the transfer market. I agree with him, Simeone doesn't play the 'Arsenal way' but he gets results and would make Arsenal a serious team again. Simeone would get rid of all the mentally weak players at Arsenal and bringing in tough players. It could be the culture change Arsenal need.
If they want Ancelotti they've got to move quickly. According to Sky he has been offered a job with the Italian national team. They should've sounded him out ages ago. He was available from September onwards and they could've signed an agreement with him for next season. I actually agree with you. They need someone who will stabilize things for the next 2/3 years and there's no better option for that than Carlo Ancelotti. His CV speaks for itself. Plus there's something about Italian managers and the PL.
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He'd need a couple of seasons and the financial backing of the board, I think 90% of that Arsenal team do not have to cojones to play for Simeone.
We know who the new manager is going to be now, Alan Pardew.
Surely that can't be right.
That squad needs major rebuilding that will take probably longer than just one summer window. They are deluded if they think 50mil is enough. Wenger was making them money but the new manager is already on a collision course with the board if this true.In one way. In another way he's safeguarded the future of the club at the top level by keeping them in the Champions League for so long with a restricted budget. He played the long game better than most.
You are probably right. I've just discovered he went to the same school as me
Plus he's a City fan.
Boom
Pretty much spot on. A new guy to keep under their thumb.
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