Wengerscoat
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Arteta?
Please tell me its 1st April.
Please tell me its 1st April.
For a manager who has been furious with his board not getting the players he wanted I'm not sure what Conte will do with Arsenal's board then.The right choice is Conte.
Think the situation is completely different. Ferguson didn't leave during his very best but he had still just won the league and probably everybody would have been happy if he would have continued. Wenger missed the right moment to step back and the fans are demanding his departure for quite a while now. He's been heavily criticized for at least three years now.If they are going to go for an ex player then he would make the most sense given that he's gained experience under probably the best manager in the world (apparently he's also very well thought of at City) and has a much more recent connection to Arsenal than the likes of Vieira who left a very different club more than a decade ago.
That being said, there's a major rebuilding job to be done at Arsenal and that would be a huge amount for a first-time manager to take on. It isn't like when Guardiola took over at Barca where the atmosphere was clearly rotten but there was still a very talented squad that needed to be guided by a quality coach and manager, this is more like when Ferguson left in that he'd be replacing a legendary figure and mostly with a squad that isn't good enough.
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So apart from centre back, centre midfield and out wide (you're being very generous to Cech) the squad is in good shape? The three players you mentioned are good players but they're all 29, not old but not the ideal age when there's so much rebuilding to be done elsewhere as by the time they do the rest then suddenly they will need replacing especially Aubameyang whose game is hugely reliant on his pace.Think the situation is completely different. Ferguson didn't leave during his very best but he had still just won the league and probably everybody would have been happy if he would have continued. Wenger missed the right moment to step back and the fans are demanding his departure for quite a while now. He's been heavily criticized for at least three years now.
Moyes may have been a disaster as a manager but that aside he definitely faced a difficult situation. At Arsenal, people are aware that there needs to be a caesura but at United people thought that the team was just fine.
Despite that I think that the squad is much more talented than people give them credit for. Özil, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang are really good players who could harmonize much better than Sanchez and Özil. Both Mkhi and Auba are players who want to make runs and receive passes behind the lines which suits Özil very well. Sanchez is a player who prefers to get the ball into his feet and start dribbling and creating on his own. They also have very good CBs with Bellerin and Kolasinac.
Think they have some squad weaknesses like the CBs, the CM and probably the wingers but apart from that, this team looks dope if you ask me. Could turn into a really good squad with the right kind of manager.
I get what you mean but I think the lack of proper, modern coaching makes most players look worse than they actually are. Wilshere i a prime example I think. He is brillant on the ball and I think has really great potential for a CM but of course he has to be placed in a system that allows him to utilizes his strengthes and compensates his weaknesses. See someone like Busquets. In the Barcelona style he looks absolutely amazing and is probably the best defensive midfielder of the decade but outside of it he would probably seem like a fish out of water since he would need to cover more ground.So apart from centre back, centre midfield and out wide (you're being very generous to Cech) the squad is in good shape? The three players you mentioned are good players but they're all 29, not old but not the ideal age when there's so much rebuilding to be done elsewhere as by the time they do the rest then suddenly they will need replacing especially Aubameyang whose game is hugely reliant on his pace.
I do agree that there is maybe a chance that this will galvanise them in way it couldn't United because they wanted Wenger to leave while we obviously wanted United to stay but the situation is the same that the squads are made up of quality players in their late 20s/early 30s and mostly average players below that. Perhaps we were more delusional about where we were than Arsenal will be but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of their squad isn't good enough. This is a club that is actually worried about whether Jack Wilshere will stay.
Wenger being frugal had a lot to do with the stadium move. Wenger has even talked about it himself:He'd want the spending though. Wenger has been deliberately frugal for the sake of his footballing ethics but the next guy won't have those same ideals. He won't be staying for 22 years and will be looking for the immediate impact.
I think it'd be good for the PL even if it means another powerful rival on the block. Anything that presents itself as a genuine challenge to the City juggernaut has got to be good. And TBH, Arsenal aren't a plastic club like City and Chelsea
(Article is from May 2017)"In 2006 started the most difficult period of my life because we had restricted finances, we had to pay back a huge amount of money and we had to sell our best players and we had to stay at the top," he told BT Sport ahead of Saturday's FA Cup final against Chelsea.
I think our commercial department, looking at you Gazidis, is leaving us in a far worse position. He's the one in charge of making commercial deals which directly impact the budget we have to spend on money.That’s concerning for them when you consider how much work that squad needs.
Wenger is leaving them in a poor position.
You make £60 million combined from Puma and Emirates according to Deloitte, we get more just from the deal we fleeced from GM. We are apparently about to steal Palace's shirt sponsor for our sleeves as well.I think our commercial department, looking at you Gazidis, is leaving us in a far worse position. He's the one in charge of making commercial deals which directly impact the budget we have to spend on money.
Poor commercial deals = less money for transfers.
Although we seem to be the only top club that has a set budget for transfers. Or at the very least a budget so low.
Allegri and Ancelotti are the 2 best options in my view....But I"m not sure if they would want to work for a club that's not in the CL.Ancelotti is a 3 time winner and his ultimate ambition is to win a 4th CL....No manager in the history of football has ever won 4 CL titles....So not sure if Ancelotti would want a job where there's no guarantee of CL football...They should learn from our mistakes. Get ancellotti- premier league proven, enough gravitas to take over, good football. They won't get a manager for longer than 3-4 years max and should plan as such.
Or you just spent huge sum within few months on 2 forwards, then having Ozil and Mkhi pushing the wage cap upward.I think our commercial department, looking at you Gazidis, is leaving us in a far worse position. He's the one in charge of making commercial deals which directly impact the budget we have to spend on money.
Poor commercial deals = less money for transfers.
Although we seem to be the only top club that has a set budget for transfers. Or at the very least a budget so low.
That's precisely the problem with an appointment like Arteta. It doesn't matter how good your tactics are if you can't convince the players to follow them. Add in the fact that relative to Guardiola he had a pretty mediocre playing career and isn't an Arsenal legend unlike Viera and I can see him struggling to gain the respect of the squad.But for someone who'd be a new manager I'm not quite sure he'd command the respect at a squad which I think needs to be practically torn to shreds, either through being rebuilt or giving some of its established stars a swift boot up the arse. In that respect an established manager may work better; someone like Simeone will have a bit of an aura when he comes into the club, and even if he makes a relatively poor start in his first few games it'll take longer for the knives to come out than they would for Arteta.
True, that's a major problem. For as much as I like Arteta he spent the majority of his career under David Moyes and Wenger, the former of whom is notorious for not winning stuff and the latter of whom is notorious for winning very little in the latter stages of his career when Arteta's been there. Obviously we can't exactly judge players on the basis of who they've played for, considering a number of Fergie's former stars have turned out to be duds as managers, but he does seem like the closest thing the club can concoct to a continuation of Wenger. And a continuation of Wenger is the last thing the club need right now.That's precisely the problem with an appointment like Arteta. It doesn't matter how good your tactics are if you can't convince the players to follow them. Add in the fact that relative to Guardiola he had a pretty mediocre playing career and isn't an Arsenal legend unlike Viera and I can see him struggling to gain the respect of the squad.
Also, just because you coached under and learned from a great manager doesn't mean you'll automatically become one yourself. There's a big difference between coaching and managing. Just ask Phelan or Meulensteen.
If they want Ancelotti they've got to move quickly. According to Sky he has been offered a job with the Italian national team. They should've sounded him out ages ago. He was available from September onwards and they could've signed an agreement with him for next season. I actually agree with you. They need someone who will stabilize things for the next 2/3 years and there's no better option for that than Carlo Ancelotti. His CV speaks for itself. Plus there's something about Italian managers and the PL.I"m really curious to see who they end up with...We didn't really have to deal with months of speculation when SAF left...SAF announced his retirement and then within 48 hours Moyes was announced as his successor.But Arsenal fans have to endure weeks and weeks of speculation before they figure out who's going to take over next season....
I personally think that Carlo Ancelotti is the outstanding choice...It's amazing that people are writing him off because of a bad 3 month spell at the beginning of this season.He's 58,has plenty of football left in him....Has managed an incredible list of clubs-Juventus,Milan,PSG,Chelsea,Real Madrid,Bayern Munich....For christs sake,that's a scary list!!He's a 3 time CL winner....He knows what it takes to win the PL...He's lived in London before,which will obviously help and he's not going to be intimidated taking over from Wenger...He's had a far more successful career than Wenger...
If I was Stan Kroenke I would give the job to Ancelotti,it's not even close....
He'd need a couple of seasons and the financial backing of the board, I think 90% of that Arsenal team do not have to cojones to play for Simeone.I was listening to Gary Neville's podcast last night and he thinks Arsenal should go all out for Simeone. He brought up some good points about Arsenal needing to find a manager who can punch above his weight if they want to win the title again and there's nobody better than Simeone at doing that. We all know Arsenal can't compete with United, City and Chelsea in the transfer market. I agree with him, Simeone doesn't play the 'Arsenal way' but he gets results and would make Arsenal a serious team again. Simeone would get rid of all the mentally weak players at Arsenal and bringing in tough players. It could be the culture change Arsenal need.
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Surely that can't be right. That squad needs major rebuilding that will take probably longer than just one summer window. They are deluded if they think 50mil is enough. Wenger was making them money but the new manager is already on a collision course with the board if this true.Tweet
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In one way. In another way he's safeguarded the future of the club at the top level by keeping them in the Champions League for so long with a restricted budget. He played the long game better than most.That’s concerning for them when you consider how much work that squad needs.
Wenger is leaving them in a poor position.
You are probably right. I've just discovered he went to the same school as meGazidis is an idiot, you need a keeper, an entire back four, two or three midfielders and maybe a winger. You are not getting that for £50 million, maybe two of what you need. You are royally fecked for years.
BoomIf they choose Arteta, they'll present it as a 'bold choice/young manager' thing. In reality they'll be employing someone extremely grateful for the opportunity and so likely to accept a relatively low salary & not speak out about small transfer budgets. This is also why Rodgers has a shout. Same old Arsenal (board)...
Pretty much spot on. A new guy to keep under their thumb.If they choose Arteta, they'll present it as a 'bold choice/young manager' thing. In reality they'll be employing someone extremely grateful for the opportunity and so likely to accept a relatively low salary & not speak out about small transfer budgets. This is also why Rodgers has a shout. Same old Arsenal (board)...