No, Chelsea *tried* to prevent him from playing, and UEFA cracked down on this attempt in the utmost clear manner. As for the James deal, Real and Bayern already agreed an all relevant terms concerning the transfer.
FC Bayern 17/18 discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
UEFA are getting rid of the Cup Tied rule.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-cha...gue-cup-tied-rule-abolished-what-does-it-mean
Lewa's new agent is Zahavi? The same guy who manages Tevez and Mascherano? Wonder why the change of agents now.
I swear I don't see what people see in Lewandowski. I hope Bayern's hirachy finally chuck him out this summer
It’s all well and good beating Borussia Handbag after stealing all their best players ever weekend, but this league needs more opposition for Bayern because that was awful tonight.
I thought they were the better team, just terrible finishing from Lewandowski and Ribery.
He was useless tonight. Maybe it was an off night but he was lacking in everything.I swear I don't see what people see in Lewandowski. I hope Bayern's hirachy finally chuck him out this summer
Really poor.
35 year old Ribery looked their best player.
35 year old Ribery looked their best player.
Will Alaba and Boateng be back for the return leg? Robben seems to be out for a while
The finishing was subpar, the performance was decent considering they had multiple influencial players out.
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Uncalled for.
Sevilla?
What’s that got to do with my point about Bayern needing competition in the Bundesliga mate?
Or is it exciting seeing Bayern winning the league without any challengers every single season?
Also, what’s the BPL?
Lewa has just been a below average striker in every big game for us. This is not a knee jerk reaction but Mandzukic was the far superior striker in those games. Hope Madrid buys him from us.
Fifth successive season Bayern look like they're going to go out to Spanish opposition.
There has to be in an inquest as to why half their players are injured. What is going on? After all they are playing in the Bundesliga where things are wrapped up early. They should have had a fit and firing squad for the CL knockouts and should've been working towards being in optimum conditions for these games. You look are Real Madrid and their big guns are never missing. They have the physical capabilities to go the distance in Champions leagues which helps a lot. Is the intensity of the Bundesligsa too slow so when they arrive to high intensity CL games their bodies can't cope?
It's always the same players, we simply have a few of them in our team, nothing to do with the "intensity" of the CL, especially in regards to Boateng and Robben.
Kimmich comment after the match: "We had more scoring opportunities than against Hannover last week"
We played against a team which refused to play football in favor of timewasting and playacting and which couldn't control a 36 year old winger with three men combined all match, that's exactly the same situation we have every weekend.
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In the league it is often exactly the other way round. Even if another team initially manages to create more chances than Munich, they end up being the more ruthless team and win nonetheless.
I really think it comes down to the lack of competition. You barely saw Ronaldo the whole game but even though his goal didn't count, he directly scored at his first real opportunity in a really difficult manner. In the meantime, Bayern was unable to convert much much greater chances. And not only that, in the first 20 minutes or so they struggled to handle the pressure of Madrid. Especially Thiago had some possession losses you rarely see of him. Although they found into the game it was still a big mistake of Rafinha that lead to the decisive goal.
In the league, they tend to get away with such mistakes. They get overlooked because they still manage to score more than the opponent and even if they lose points, it doesn't matter due to them having a great lead. But who can blame the players? Since Dortmund broke down they play maybe two or three really difficult games in an entire season.
IMO Bayern should put much more effort into improving the league. Yes, it isn't their business or responsibility to provide a competitive environment but it is in their very own interest, especially in the long term. And after all, they are by far the most influential club with the mightiest lobby in Germany. But instead, they still target potential competitors and try to bundle all German talents in their squad. The league is in a devastating state and it is only going downwards in the future.
If Manchester United were in the Bundesliga, Bayern would still win it easily.
It is not like La Liga is always super competitive. And Real had the likes of Ramos, Isco, Asensio out there bought from smaller Spanish clubs.
I've no doubt that more competition in the Bundesliga would benefit every team in the Bundesliga and every supporter, not just Bayern.
There needs to be a reality check here though. Bayern win the Bundesliga, usually there or thereabouts winning the double AND they routinely get to the CL semi final every year where they usually lose only to one of the top Spanish teams (usually Real Madrid). If they had drawn Roma or Liverpool I have no doubt they would have beaten either and so we wouldn't be having this conversation over league competition.
No one else in Europe comes near them even with a clearly aging squad with players like Robben, Ribery and Lewandowski on the wrong side of 30.
There needs to be a reality check here though. Bayern win the Bundesliga, usually there or thereabouts winning the double AND they routinely get to the CL semi final every year where they usually lose only to one of the top Spanish teams (usually Real Madrid). If they had drawn Roma or Liverpool I have no doubt they would have beaten either and so we wouldn't be having this conversation over league competition.
No one else in Europe comes near them even with a clearly aging squad with players like Robben, Ribery and Lewandowski on the wrong side of 30.
Somebody's feeling have been hurt. To be fair, it must be hard as an FC Bayern supporter getting knocked out of the only relevant competition you are in. Back to fecking boring, mundane Bundesliga you go.Do you think that the injury list is just a coincidence and not related or could there be a conncetion?
Yes but Real and Barca get to play each other at least 3-4 times a season and also have a really good sparring partner with Atletico. That's at least 5 or 6 highly competitive domestic matches. Bayern gets none of these. And while it rarely happens that one of these clubs buy a player from Atletico but it is hardly imagineable that a star moves from Barca to Real or the other way round.
Bayern bought Lewandowski, Hummels and Götze in a situation in which people started believing that there could finally be a real domestic competitor to Bayern with the BVB. Aside from the clear weakining effect that had on Dortmund's squad, it also had a signaling effect. I guess it was much harder for Dortmund to convince their players of staying because it seemed unrealistic that they could really be competing for titles with this team in the long term. And it probably made it even harder to convince outside players of moving there. Of course these transfers were no-brainers for Munich but I think in the long perspective it might've been disservice. With a competitive Dortmund squad as challengers they would look much better on the European level, I think.
We were declared out of the competition before. Remember?
But, Dortmund also lost Aubameyang, Mkhitarian, Gundogan, Sahin(who they got back), Kagawa(who they got back) all to clubs who were not Bayern. Bayern just signed Goretzka but, Schalke lost Sane, Matip and Kolasinac to PL clubs. Because of financial realities other clubs in the Bundesliga are going to get there players picked off by richer sides.
Surprised to see Bayern still lining up with Ribery and Robben, the two are still probably the best two players on the pitch for Bayern but it does show what a dearth of top quality wide players there are available at the moment. The next step down to players like Coman, Martial just aren't good enough yet, they're talented but players like Ribery and Robben really hit top form in their mid to late 20s.
Real have Bale and Ronaldo who are ageing, both still very good. But they also have Asensio who already looks very good. Hard to see how Bayern get another top player like Salah, there's no way they could afford someone like him.
But obviously as has been mentioned above they do pretty much have a free reign over all the promising players in the bundesliga, so that does help them. If Leipzig can keep players like Timo Werner and Borussia can build back up that would help the whole league imo, because over the long-term having strong competition in your league pushes you, as you see with Real, Barca and Atletico in La Liga (with teams like Sevilla &Valencia also being strong), and in the PL where United, Liverpool and Tottenham have had to build stronger teams over the past few years, to compete with a strong but still improving City and a strong (but now weakening somewhat Chelsea).
Real have Bale and Ronaldo who are ageing, both still very good. But they also have Asensio who already looks very good. Hard to see how Bayern get another top player like Salah, there's no way they could afford someone like him.
But obviously as has been mentioned above they do pretty much have a free reign over all the promising players in the bundesliga, so that does help them. If Leipzig can keep players like Timo Werner and Borussia can build back up that would help the whole league imo, because over the long-term having strong competition in your league pushes you, as you see with Real, Barca and Atletico in La Liga (with teams like Sevilla &Valencia also being strong), and in the PL where United, Liverpool and Tottenham have had to build stronger teams over the past few years, to compete with a strong but still improving City and a strong (but now weakening somewhat Chelsea).
That Bayern lost tonight for sure did not have anything to do with the weak league, or? 2 injuries that destroyed the match plan and then not being clinical. There has been matches in the league before in which they were - and some in which they weren't. Same internationally.
Why does anybody blame Bayern for Dortmund's fails? They were 25 points behind in the league when Bayern got Götze, 19 points behind when Bayern got Lewy. On a free - he would have gone anyways. But they still had enough very good players for their playing style - it is not the 2 matches against Bayern that were their problem as they had players to replace them. It is just that hardrock football might work fine against the big teams but not that well against the minors...
And I guess we do not really need to talk about players like Ribery or Robben either. We were in the semi finals without them twice in the last four years.
I think there is a difference between losing players to international top clubs or your direct domestic rival. Imagine Cristiano wouldn't have moved to Real but to City or Chelsea at the time. It is not only about the player but also about the signal. It says the whole world that your direct competitor is at least one or two levels above you in the food chain.
Especially in this situation. Sahin and Kagawa went when the team had their first successes. But Götze and Lewandowski.. everyone had predicted that Dortmund was a one season wonder but in the subsequent season they got another title and afterwards reached the CL final. People were believing they could become an international top club. Bayern - Dortmund matches were dubbed the German clasico and set records in viewership. They had Götze, Reus, Gündogan, Hummels, Lewandowski and things were really looking bright. Losing one of these players to Real or Barca.. well, unfortunate but not that bad. You can't mess with them. But Bayern buying their three best players in three consecutive years? It kind of buried the idea of Dortmund becoming a competitor and it is naive to think that players - regardless of current or potential players - didn't understand this.
But, here is the thing if Real could buy Barca's best players they would. Hell they have before(Laudrup,Figo). We bought Matic from Chelsea and Sanchez from Arsenal previously. City bought Walker from Spurs. Juve bought Higuain from Napoli and Pjanic from Roma. Every top side tries to destroy their domestic rivals. But, Bayern are the only ones people try to guilt for it.
Yes but Juve spent € 90 mln for Higuain (and € 35 mln for Pjanic).
Bayern signed Lewandowski (or Goretzka) for free.
It's not Bayern fault if Borussia or Schalke are not smart enough to keep their players under longer contracts and it's a good thing for Bundesliga that some worldclass player remain in Germany but, imho:
Lewandowski from BVB to Bayern for free -> destroy the competition
Higuain from Napoli to Juventus for € 90 mln, or Walker to City for £ 50 mln -> Nope
Would it though? It is an obsolete rule, you pay x millions for a player and he can only play domestically.
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Goretzka was the third key Schalke player who left on a free in the last few years. And Lewandowski left on a free because Dortmund refused to sell him to Bayern and Lewandowski would not go anywhere else.
Ribery was good enough tonight to draw two defenders (and beat them multiple times), later three.
Hasn't he been generally having one of his best seasons?
Nothing close to his prime, no. But its probably his best since 2013 or so.
I don't understand this choking by Bayern against Real. I was expecting Bayern to spank them last two season but opposite is happening. You can bet Bayern is gonna give them hell in the rematch however they gotta convert some of the chances.
Bayern Munich are biggest underachieves in UCL last two seasons.
Bayern Munich are biggest underachieves in UCL last two seasons.