Who told you this, the UK have agreed to pay it and it's not a figure plucked out of thin air. It's what the UK owe or will owe.
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Scaremongering was 100% on both sides, you just look at it from one angle.
I distinctly remember George Osborne saying interest rates would increase and people would lose their homes.
There were quotes that house holds would be thousands of pounds better off if we remained.
David Cameron made reference to potential world war 3.
The idea that one side lied and other one didn’t is just untrue. Politician do anything to swing a vote.
There will always be singular examples of people who are effected by something but the vast majority of people since the vote two years ago have not seen much of an effect.
Have interest rates increased? No
Has fuel increased? Back to prices it was a few years ago
Have my house bills increased? No higher than they increased previously
Have my investments decreased in value? No they have increased.
Have food prices increased? Yes probably one thing that has been affected, would they increase anyway? Yes they find any reason to increase prices
Has the £ weakened? Yes against the dollar but agains the Euro it’s no different to the exchange rate we had for 5-10year before the BREXIT vote.
Inflation has increased back to ‘normal’ levels
But let me guess we haven’t left yet right?
Do you really believe they will make all EU residence leave the country? And your telling me all my news is fake?
The same people who told him that we don't have sovereignty and are letting in immigrants to take over the country. The same people who said we would be saving billions and would have more to invest if we were out of Europe. The same people who are pushing for a disaster so they can profit over the shorting of sterling and the economy at large.
The post you replied to similar the other post that said "calm down this won't have an effect on your day to day life" are a resounding indictment of the undeniable idiocy in their thinking and gullibility.
Imagine not knowing that when you leave that you can't expect to get the money that was coming to you as one of the major benefits of being part of the EU. Then imagine on top of that saying that the UK does not want to pay it when they have agreed to it knowing it is what the owe. They may not want to pay it as much as any of us would like not to pay for things but its what they owe.
People wonder why their intelligence is questioned when all they do is come up with drivel despite the facts even their government have admitted to. The facts are even if we arbitrarily accepted their "reasons" for leaving whatever motivation lay behind that, they have to admit that all those soundbites that they chose to believe have now been exposed as complete lies and manipulation. I understand why some double down considering how gullible they look now after the unravelling of their "sovereignty" sand castle.
@Josep Dowling you somehow seem to ignore the most basic fact that UK hasn’t left yet.
He did mentioned it at the end which makes the previous lines strange from a cognitive standpoint.
You can’t win with you lot, when markets fell and the pound weakened that was due to Brexit. Now it has all stabilised what has caused that exactly? The reality that things aren’t as drastic as you lot seem to want to make out?
This then goes back to my previous point that you’re all throwing about arguments based on future events that literally no one can predict.
I’ve had people tell me EU citizens will have to leave the UK. That has already been agreed that won’t happen and was never in a million years going to happen.
I’ve had people tell me a border will be set up at Ireland. It’s an EU tactic to get a better deal. Switzerland has exactly the same situation but there is no issue. Why would they allow travel through Switzerland with no issue but would with EIRE?
You keep telling me all my news is fake yet seem to believe everything you read, and that any issues will not be resolved with a solution.
Emm...Because Swiss accept freedom of movement for people and that’s the only workable solution possible something that UK has made a red line?
There’s a border into Switzerland.
Switzerland has borders, they have custom checkpoints and they are part of the Schengen area.
Yes, yes that’s right you knew all the facts and all I read was lies and deceit.
I have a different opinion so I must be intellectually inferior to you, and can’t make the ‘correct’ decision with the facts in front of me?
Throw in the racist card and xenophobia because anyone who voted leave just hates foreigners.
This group is just a load of remainers patting each other on the back. There is no grounds to have a reasonable discussion. It’s more like a ****.
There is of course a border but they abide to the EU’s free movement of people. Rather than arguing with everything I say maybe have a quick read on the internet. It’s not difficult to find.
it's not about me knowing all the facts. It's about you knowing known of them as you have been put straight time and again on here.
Your cage is rattled because I did not say everyone who voted leave is racist. Although you would like to hang your hat on that for the lack of an actual argument.
Although it would be nieve and stupid to think that there was not a significant undertone of it being leveraged by certain state actors in the campaign. Reasonable discussion can only be had when someone does not get basic facts wrong repeatedly despite the side your supporting having admitted the very thing your arguing against.
it is all irrelevant now. what IS relevant is that all the made-up benefits of leaving have been utterly exposed as the crock of shite they are and nothing more than scum taking advantage of gullible fools by feeding them stone cold falshoods. So now we ask what is going to happen? what now? Not even a modicum of a coherent plan or strategy moving forward. Absolutely nothing that's what and you know why? It's because they don't know. What we DO know however is that what they said in the campaign was out and out BS. Those are the only facts we do know.
I agree. About the only sensible comment I’ve seen on this board since my first post this morning.
It’s clear the government had no plan in place if we voted leave. That is typical of the UK parliament.
But these decisions are long, complex and we won’t even be in transition until next March. It was never going to be a quick decision.
I am confident resolution will be made whilst it’s clear most on here don’t think there will be. That’s fine, everyone is allowed different opinions. I just don’t like it when one group say they’re 100% correct and another is wrong. It’s all based on future events, no one knows the future so no one can be correct.
That’s not what you said though. And the subtleties are important.
Again you are saying you knew all the facts but anyone that voted leave is a ‘gullible fool’ now. Just such an exaggeration.
Over 50% of the nation voted leave. You really believe all those people voted leave based on some crappy slogan about extra money for the NHS? You really believe you’re more intelligental than all those people that voted?
There are a whole host of reason why someone would vote the way they did. BOTH sides lied, BOTH side tried to manipulate the vote in their favour. To say otherwise is ridiculous.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ron-right-leaving-eu-brexit-increase-risk-war
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ornes-brexit-warning-george-osborne-2016/amp/
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36534192
You have your opinion, I have mine. No matter which way we argue we will never agree so I’m going to leave it here.
No... no they are not.
If someone said if I gambled my life savings on a horse the world would end and I gambled my life savings on a horse and that horse didn't win, but the world didn't end - have I come out of that situation ahead?
You'd probably be homeless. The Tories will take care of you.
And if you followed that advise, you would have known that first EIRE aren't the problem it's the UK who aren't part of Schengen and have informed the EU that they were leaving the SM and EUCU. If the UK agree to an FTA and joins Schengen then they will have the same type of borders that Switzerland has, with people from the EU and the UK crossing without problem like Switzerland. If they don't want borders at all, they will have to join the Custom Union.
Transition only takes effect if there is agreement on the NI border and customs. So transition is not assured at this point.
No they didn't.
Do you really think Switzerland is the same as Northern Ireland? Are you aware of the history in NI?
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I say remain in the EU, What could possibly go wrong?
You clearly missed the Prime Minister telling you clearly and repeatedly that ‘Nothing is agreed, until everything is agreed’.
This might not matter a lot to you personally, but to me and the other million odd people currently living within the rest of the EU it’s rather a big deal. Not to mention of course the 3.5m EU citizens currently in the UK.
The EU doesn't need a deal ffs.UK has been told from day 1 the conditions to get what they want. The goalposts haven't moved.
Do you really believe this could happen? I mean really?
I dont know a single Brit that is running to the passport office in case this does happen. Do you live in fear of what you read in tabloids?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44719576
Downing Street sets out some details of new Brexit customs plan
Downing Street sets out some details of new Brexit customs plan
If I understand correctly that proposition has already been made and EU members asked why should they trust a non member to collect EU tariffs.
You understand just well. It's a proposition that has already been called dead on arrival.
May is gambling on the member States telling Barnier to feck off.
She gambles on member states to tell Barnier to feck off when he takes instructions from the member states? Do you think she is stupid?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44719656
Jaguar Land Rover boss: Brexit threatens £80bn UK investment
Jaguar Land Rover boss: Brexit threatens £80bn UK investment
Yes I think she's stupid. There's no other reason she's coming up with a proposition that has already been rejected. She is trying to get the likes of France and Germany to put pressure on the other member states to accept her offer.
From last year but here's Merkel's line which I'm sure she will repeat to May once again.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...ing-for-britain-in-brexit-talks-idUKKBN14T1NX
So you really think that she is a dumbass, France and Germany are the least likely to accept that.
What other explanation do you have for her presenting an offer that's been rejected?
We are going in circles.
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Yes she is. She's also weak and trying to placate both sides of her party who want different options.
Infuriating that this referendum was promised to heal divisions within the tory party and nothing has changed except we are shuffling further and further to the cliff edge and they are still bickering. And the opposition still can't oust them.
She is playing for the british audience, thinking that most people don't read official papers, because I'm pretty sure that this was in the last white paper. Your alternative is way too scary.
Do I think they’ll round us all up and kick us out? No I don’t. Do I think that potentially we could face laborious residency procedures we currently don’t have, including spending hours queuing at town halls like my non-EU friends already have to? Sure. Do I think that as I’m planning on applying for citizenship after 5 years, that I’ll have to start meticulously tracking any trip out of the country I make so I can prove I qualify? Maybe. Do I think that no deal could lead to the wonderfully friendly people of Europe having a much worse opinion of English people like me, with potentially worse effects on my life here? Sure.
From the day after Brexit the EU heads of state came out one after another to reassure us Brits in their countries that we were welcome and they’d help us however they could. Whitehall said nothing and then started talking about us as bargaining chips. No. 10 were the ones who insisted on the ‘Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed’ because they wanted to use the 3.5m EU citizens in the UK as leverage, and feck the Brits abroad.
So yeah, I’d like to know exactly what is going to change in my life in just 9 months time. I don’t think that’s a particularly unreasonable request.