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like Henderson did simulating being hit on the head by Barrios
It was a headbutt and the guy should have walked!! The person clearly in the wrong there is Barrios and only someone who is blinkered would think otherwise after watching the situation in its entirety.

You seem happy to criticize England and the 11 Neymars, I just don't get why Colombia gets a free pass in your book.

And you seem precious about Neymar throughout your posts. He is lauded as the guy who will take over from Messi and Ronaldo as the world's best. No one on England is lauded as that, so naturally they aren't as highly scrutinized. But I'm failing to see all this diving, except for Maguire ( who pulled out from a challenge and immediately signalled to the referee about it not being a penalty), Henderson, whose reaction was admittedly OTT (but let's keep in mind... he was headbutted!!) and Lingard's "dive", where, Mina went sliding in with a clumsy challenge nowhere near the ball and was lucky to escape without conceding a penalty!

England's not perfect and they have players who will take tumbles, including my favourite, Rashford, and our best player, Kane (neither of whom have been Neymars yet in this tournament). But if you genuinely think England was a side with 11 Neymar's and bad andd theatrical against a physical Colombia side as Neymar is on a daily basis, or even as unsporting as Colombia was, then there's no helping you.
 
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By the way, I don't think Neymar would change a lot that semifinal. It was a blend of emotional instability, lack of organization and other factors. Colombia can't be held totally responsible for what happened with Brazil after.
I fully agree with this, by the way. I don't think Neymar would have changed the result but it was a huge shame he missed the semis.

I actually love Colombian football and watch it more than probably anyone on this forum. I also like Brazilian football and tend to root for South American sides above European sides (except for England). That's why i was so disappointed watching Colombia. I know they are better than what they demonstrated.

Pekerman knew exactly the type of game he wanted to play and I raised my eyebrows when he omitted Muriel from the starting 11. It's frustrating because Colombia have the capacity to play much better, even without James. I think they overestimated England and it proved their undoing. England handled it well, all things considered, in my opinion.
 

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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:
 

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He can be as biased as he likes. But it’s pretty clear why neutrals who have no skin in the game - who have no choice but to watch the same coverage - might roll their eyes from time to time when listening to the commentary.
To be fair, this happens in most countries with shared broadcasts. I'm sure the Mexican expats in Brazil were not thrilled to hear the biased Brazilian commentary, for example. No one expects to Scots to support England, but no one should expect the English media to not be biased, especially when all other media around the world tends to be biased in commentary and coverage about their own teams.
 

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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:
Your bitterness is hilarious!

Imagine being daft enough to think that English people actually think they'll win the World cup!

Imagine slating 3 players who have been pivotal in helping their country reach the final 8 in a World cup (with one having won the league in record breaking fashion and the other making a CL final this year alone)

Imagine being so bitter that you come on to a forum to post about how shit and lucky England is, yet predict they'll make the semis!

I can play this rather pathetic game too...
 

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To be fair if you lads bag the entire UK a monday off (public holiday) for being/winning in the final, I might even raise a glass to you lot.
 

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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:
This.
 

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I’ve read that the only way we’d get a bank holiday is if we won it. The bank holiday would be for the trophy parade and not the following day.
 

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I’ve read that the only way we’d get a bank holiday is if we won it. The bank holiday would be for the trophy parade and not the following day.
Useless bastards at Westminster. First Brexit, now this! Couldn't organise a piss-up in a...
 

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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:
You’ll never fall in love. I genuinely feel sad for you.
 

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The whole coming home thing was a bit of tongue in cheek pre tournament or at the beginning. But surely now the English are quietly confident of reaching the final and then anything goes. Don’t overdo the, “we have no chance” thing.
 

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The whole coming home thing was a bit of tongue in cheek pre tournament or at the beginning. But surely now the English are quietly confident of reaching the final and then anything goes. Don’t overdo the, “we have no chance” thing.
If you look at the squads left in it, England should probably reach the final on firepower alone. But they've had top strikers before and failed - that's why it's not guaranteed.
 

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You do have to feel for the Anti-England lot. Their arses must be going like the absolute clappers.

I and many other English agree its not a great squad of players but even this group and with a good spirit and identity the team has assembled has a real chance of making the final thanks to a stroke of luck with the draw.

England would be underdogs whoever they face from the other half of the draw (I would say Brazil but France, Belgium and Uruguay are better on paper than England too) in a final but England are favourites for a place in the final. Croatia will beat Russia but are overrated. I'd back us vs Croatia.
 

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If you look at the squads left in it, England should probably reach the final on firepower alone. But they've had top strikers before and failed - that's why it's not guaranteed.
Yeah it isn’t guaranteed. On paper though, it looks as good as it can for England until the Final.
 

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Yeah it isn’t guaranteed. On paper though, it looks as good as it can for England until the Final.
Don't worry. England never fail to disappoint. We'll just enjoy the ride until they do, and accept the inevitable laughter that will follow.
 

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The whole coming home thing was a bit of tongue in cheek pre tournament or at the beginning. But surely now the English are quietly confident of reaching the final and then anything goes. Don’t overdo the, “we have no chance” thing.
Hold on there. If there's even a whiff of the English thinking they might win the shouts of "arrogant"! are deafening.

I don't think many are confident at all and the vast majority are simply taking it one game at a time. And that's as it should be.
 

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Oh the Anybody-But-England brigade. Bless 'em, poor luvs. It's probably explicable with some easy pop psychology.
They'll need a helpline setting up if we win it. Come on England!
 

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Oh the Anybody-But-England brigade. Bless 'em, poor luvs. It's probably explicable with some easy pop psychology.
They'll need a helpline setting up if we win it. Come on England!
So far:
  • Before the World Cup: You're shit and will struggle to get out of the group.
  • After the Tunisia game: You're shit and needed a last minute goal.
  • After the Panama game: You're shit and only beat a pub team.
  • After the Belgium game: You're shit and couldn't beat Belgium's reserves.
  • After the Colombia game: You're shit and still haven't played anyone decent.
If we lose:
  • After the Sweden game: You're shit and lost to a shit team.
  • After the Croatia/Russia game: You're shit and lost to a shit team.
  • After the final: You're shit and lost to the first decent team you played.
If we go all the way:
  • After the Sweden game: You're shit and still haven't played anyone decent.
  • After the Croatia/Russia game: You're shit and still haven't played anyone decent.
  • After the final: You're shit and only beat one decent team in the whole tournament.
Imagine being one of those people. It's like their mothers didn't love them, they've ended up with a fat wife or they know they're ugly. Just not happy with life.
 

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It seems that a lot of people are annoyed with that "its coming home" thing and i find the reactions really funny. I mean, the meltdown here if the English nt go to the final will be epic.
 

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It was a headbutt and the guy should have walked!! The person clearly in the wrong there is Barrios and only someone who is blinkered would think otherwise after watching the situation in its entirety.
As well as Layún who stepped on Neymar in the last match unnecessarily but got a free pass by some “spaghetti hair guy” haters. Or is it justifiable according to the sport rules? Although both Henderson and Neymar had clearly overreacted, both guys who commited the infractions are wrong and should be penalized for their irresponsible actions.


You seem happy to criticize England and the 11 Neymars, I just don't get why Colombia gets a free pass in your book.
Happiness may not be the right word, but I found, at least, intriguing how people may change their convictions so quickly when it comes to seeing a similar situation in different teams. Some people in this forum argued they wish Brazil are knocked out soon because of all those Neymar’s theatrical scenes and they even lump every Brazilian player in the same league as if Mexican players were angels and were victims of the “unlikeable” Brazilian side. However, they just turn a blind eye to the English players’ attitudes and just blame Colombian players and the referee as though English players hadn’t tried to simulate diving and overact.

And no… I’m not getting Colombia off the hook. As I said before, both of them starred a despicable match and it wasn’t exactly a match between the dirty Colombian cnuts and the heroic English players. I’m just pointing out the differentiated treatment among the English press and some of their supporters who use one sauce for the goose and another for the gander.


And you seem precious about Neymar throughout your posts. He is lauded as the guy who will take over from Messi and Ronaldo as the world's best. No one on England is lauded as that, so naturally they aren't as highly scrutinized. But I'm failing to see all this diving, except for Maguire ( who pulled out from a challenge and immediately signalled to the referee about it not being a penalty), Henderson, whose reaction was admittedly OTT (but let's keep in mind... he was headbutted!!) and Lingard's "dive", where, Mina went sliding in with a clumsy challenge nowhere near the ball and was lucky to escape without conceding a penalty!
That’s far from being true. Speaking for myself, I’ve never put Neymar in the same league as Messi and Ronaldo and, to be fair, I don’t even think he’ll reach this threshold someday. He may just overthrow them after their downhill or if he wins this WC as the main protagonist (and, even so, Ronaldo might be ahead of him). I’m well-aware that he isn’t a likeable guy and I criticize his individuality in his first match as far as you can see in this post:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/day...s-mexico-brazil-vs-switzerland.439442/page-64

However, that is no excuse for hunting him desperately as when he was clearly stomped on his ankle (I’m not sure now if it was the injured one) and almost everyone, including the English press, shouted at his overreaction and didn’t apply the same criteria when Henderson was headbutted under the chin and went down clutching his forehead. It doesn't sound right for me. But, retaking Neymar’s issue, I assure you that not every Brazilian worships him and even the Brazilian press nagged him about his selfishness by not contributing positively to the team in the first two matches. If you ask me, I'd say he should leave this acting performance to his girlfriend, the actress Bruna Marquezine, and do what he's really good for: playing football.


England's not perfect and they have players who will take tumbles, including my favourite, Rashford, and our best player, Kane (neither of whom have been Neymars yet in this tournament). But if you genuinely think England was a side with 11 Neymar's and bad andd theatrical against a physical Colombia side as Neymar is on a daily basis, or even as unsporting as Colombia was, then there's no helping you.
That’s why I’m expecting to see from English fans. I’m not saying Neymar doesn’t act on the field regularly or England always resort to filthy tactics. Far from it, but it’s fine to put yourselves in other shoes and recognize your own flaws sometimes.



NOTE: I'm sorry for answering you in a huge chunk like that instead of splitting my messages in more posts so as to make everything easier to read, but I'm saving my limited quota of posts for the next matches (France vs Uruguay and Brazil vs Belgium). :p
 

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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:
And WUM of the week, goes to.....

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Far from it, but it’s fine to put yourselves in other shoes and recognize your own flaws sometimes.
England's main flaw is that we're shite :)

Layun should have been sent off for treading on Neymar deliberately. I think criticism towards Neymar is more for the penalty dive and his rolling, not that stomping incident. And I know a lot of Brazilians who poke fun at him. They shared memes of him rolling all over the place. So at least you guys can join in the fun.

My main objection to your posts is that you seem to paint a false equivalence between how Colombia played and how England played. Those two were simply not in the same unsporting league, and Colombia can whinge all they want, but in the end they were very lucky that the official was so lenient.
 

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Thanks for trying to lay down your set of rules for how other people should behave and feel, but we'll kindly decline them. We can dream whenever we like, thank you very much.
Forgotten whether he was from Daily Mail or Mirror. He claimed England got a chance because of a long list of talents. That was few months ago, even before season end. Oh yes, this is a typical English (press, may be fans as well) problem, dream too early, fall too hard.
 

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Forgotten whether he was from Daily Mail or Mirror. He claimed England got a chance because of a long list of talents. That was few months ago, even before season end. Oh yes, this is a typical English (press, may be fans as well) problem, dream too early, fall too hard.
Well that proves it. That one article from that writer you can’t quite recall in that newspaper you can’t remember said England had some talented players.
 

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Let them laugh. Most of them come from countries who never even made the finals. Its like a Sunderland fan laughing at Utd for only winning the FA cup.
 

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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:
This is a weird amount of bitterness especially on an English forum full of English people. It'd be like me going into a pub in Colombia before the last game and telling them their palyers are shit and I can't wait to laugh at them. Have you tried not acting like an absolute weapon and just being fine with people supporting their team and being hopeful?
 

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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:
I know you're wumming, but regardless of what happens now (shy of Southgate ripping his waistcoat off in anger) it's not really gonna be laughable, unfortunately for you.
 

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Well that proves it. That one article from that writer you can’t quite recall in that newspaper you can’t remember said England had some talented players.
Is this your argument? Just because someone not bother to search the internet for various articles and you would boldly conclude that all English fans/press are indeed very conservative. (p.s. it wasn't an article, it was a Sky show in Asia that invite various UK pundits/journalist to comment on players/club performance. The discussion was about England's chance, John Dyke claimed England's ranking is about QF (top 8) but the guy believe all the way)

How about another person claim "England might have lost a goal to Belgium but might win the WC..."

Of all the pundit and journalist, our own Neville is about the only person make sense. Yes you would all want England to advance, just take it 1 game at a time.
 

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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:


We came here with zero expectation and a mediocre squad, they’ve already done better than anybody predicted, not so sure what’s funny about a team of underdogs doing pretty well then getting knocked out?

Either way your post comes across as a bitter 12 year old.
 

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It seems that a lot of people are annoyed with that "its coming home" thing and i find the reactions really funny. I mean, the meltdown here if the English nt go to the final will be epic.
For me it's like hearing a joke once and it being funny, twice and it's not, 5 times and it's annoying but 50+ times and it's so ludicrous that's it's funny again.
 

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Is this your argument? Just because someone not bother to search the internet for various articles and you would boldly conclude that all English fans/press are indeed very conservative. (p.s. it wasn't an article, it was a Sky show in Asia that invite various UK pundits/journalist to comment on players/club performance. The discussion was about England's chance, John Dyke claimed England's ranking is about QF (top 8) but the guy believe all the way)

How about another person claim "England might have lost a goal to Belgium but might win the WC..."

Of all the pundit and journalist, our own Neville is about the only person make sense. Yes you would all want England to advance, just take it 1 game at a time.
Wow. TWO nameless commentators!? This mountain of evidence is becoming too big to ignore now. That quote looks pretty legit, too.
 
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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:
Mods, you really need to child proof this forum at some point.
 

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Imagine thinking you can win the World Cup with the likes of Henderson, Sterling and, wait for it, Harry Maguire! :lol:

They should make it to the semis due to their lucky draw (easiest group, then faced a COL with no James in the Round of 16).

To win it all, at some point they will have to rely on their football and not a favourable draw.

Then, and only then, will this thread be off and running.

Man I can't wait to start laughing at England! :lol:
Imagine joining a football forum and then demonstrating you know nothing about football.

Look, whatever happens we are proud of this young, unfavoured team. And no matter what happens today and for the rest of the tournament and happy with what we are seeing for a change.