Why should I be happy?
Well no, at the last election Corbyn was Labour leader and pro Brexit. This is the context:
I was replying to Wibble's point about parliamentary democracy. If you didn't vote because you don't believe in it, or the particular form of it we have, then fair enough, my criticsm doesn't apply to you.
I don't get your point then. The election that mattered was the previous one, the one that put Cameron and his referendum promise in 10 Downing street.
I think you do. The new parliament could have decided not to go ahead with Brexit and still could if it decided to. And the point you claim not to get is that if there were more Liberal MPs that is what they would do. Even half a dozen might have done it. What a time for the Libs to be so useless, oh well.
Lots of the multi-nationals
Since 2016 the MEDEF, the largest employer union in france, is hunting UK based companies, the same is true in Germany and Ireland. In France it was advised to do it discreetly. And I doubt that they will stop even if there is a deal.
Quite a few companies have already moved or announced plans to move to Dublin, Barclays for example.
They’re building left right and centre down Dublin’s quays again. Don’t know if they’re for existing companies or incoming businesses. Either way there is still lots of old places that could be changed to hip new places so I can’t see lack of space being a huge issue
Google just snapped up the largest development that was available and I believe all of Capital Dock has already been taken too and that's not even fully built yet. Grant Thornton have bought the new building right beside their current one to switch. Most other buildings would be more-so for small to medium businesses than large ones. We don't really have the space or office size to take in the sort of mammoth firms that could be exiting London. More than likely we'll continue to get the likes of Barclays sending 100 or so jobs our way so they can shift their European headquarters.
Yes, to a huge number of UK voters, direct domestic policies that effect their everyday lives are indeed more important than Brexit. Most of them don't realize the shockingly dramatic effect Brexit could have on their lives and economic prospects. The idea that this means they support leaving is just nonsense.
I think I need to move my arse to Ireland hearing about this over-availability in tech jobs vs workers. The other option is Berlin where I already have friends. Buttfeck learning German
it's not all rosey. As good as IT options and wages are in Dublin it's equally very expensive to live here and very difficult to get accommodation right now. It's a tough place for expats to come, not that that stops them.
Easy enough to get by without speaking German in Berlin. One of the most cosmopolitan cities I’ve been to. Every second conversation you overhear is in English.
And a fecking amazing city to boot. Probably my favourite in Europe.
Yeah I heard about that. I have an ex-colleague who returned home to Dublin from London. He says basically what you're saying, that costs have been rising to the point where it's more expensive than London now in many things including housing. While the "package" the city offers outside of work opportunities is far inferior in terms of services, infrastructure and general shit to do. Last time I visited was 5 years ago and didn't fall in love with the place.
Same. Go there regularly with work and went for a long weekend recently to celebrate our 10th wedding anniversary. It's pretty close to perfection, as city's go.
He's right about the services and infrastructure but when it comes to "general shit to do" Dublin punches well above it's weight, if only because the countryside is so much closer/easier to get to than when you live in London. I've lived in both cities for a very long time and my general quality of life in Dublin is miles better than London because of the "general shit to do" factor. Although I guess that would differ if you're not a fan of the great outdoors.
If by outdoors you mean going to the mountains or sea and then yes London is lacking any of that in near proximity. Just getting out of London (as in the M25 area) can take over and hour which makes it a drag as well. You end up going on pre-planned City/Weekend breaks rather than doing nature stuff on impulse. Therefore it's more rare
Yeah that’s very true. Although my own experience of London was that schlepping around the city could get quite draining so we tended to spend most of our lives in our own postcode. Probably an age thing too. Back when I used to spend a lot of times in bars/clubs the options in Dublin seemed absolutely pathetic compared to London but that doesn’t bother me any more.
My only argument here is that referendums, other than for matters relating to constitutional change, should be utterly avoided under a Westminster form of democracy.
Cameron was anti-Brexit too, don't forget. What's your point?
That he offered the referendum, which shouldn't have happened in the first place. T
The point is fairly obvious, think.
It was naive, he never imagined the British public to be quite so fecking idiotically stupid/a bunch of racist cnuts.
That's not the point of the question. People that opposed to Brexit had an option that didn't include a referendum and he wasn't naive, he was being an opportunistic cnut.
I doubt he foresaw the migrant crisis and the rise of fake news which the Leave camp exploited to push those on the fence towards their side.
He thought he'd be the one who gets to control the coverage as in his previous elections and the papers told him to do one.
I see. I'm not sure myself, I have nearly started a thread before asking if anyone lived in a country or state where referendums were frequent and what they thought about it. I wasn't thinking of Brexit though, it was well before that.
Think that analysis oversimplifies things. Definitely a huge group in 'Middle England' and beyond who followed the jingoistic/bigoted Boris Johnson/Nigel Farage reasons for leaving, but a lot of people voted for it simply because it guaranteed change. That's the real key behind why people you wouldn't normally expect to back right-wing political movements went along with Brexit.
You can develop a feel for it if you look at the referendums in Switzerland, the subjects are generally simple.
Thanks, I was kind of aware of Switzerland. Still can't make my mind up though. Referendums apart, I do seem to hear a lot of anti-democratic opinions nowadays, 'people are too stupid, uneducated, old, whatever'. Quite worrying really, I can't think of any alternative that wouldn't be a step backwards.
Farage
Would be great if we could making voting easier e.g. on a weekend or a national holiday. Even make it online as well as a few countries have done.
No idea how it works in Switzerland and I think I’ve said this before but, for me, it’s the way that referenda can be achieved via a tiny minority is the problen. I think there should some sort of rule that a two thirds majority is the minimum required. Without that, nothing changes.
