Yes it does mean that. You are basically hoping that the opposition never does anything extraordinary and when you start a game with that approach and then concede an early goal, it is very difficult.
It isn't out of fashion, LvG just didn't have the coaching know-how or he hired some dumb coaches under him.
False. There are successful managers who allow the opposition to play more with the ball because they believe they are so good without the ball that they will control it their own way.
LvG is a very experienced manager with many trophies to go with it, of course he has the know-how.
We got the second most points in the league against the top 6 last season. Do you lot purposely ignore facts and stats under Mourinho just to fit your anti Mourinho agendas?
)I think it would go a long way if supporters got behind Mourinho and the team. It would make Jose happier, and energize the team. We should all unite together instead of encouraging the constant negativity of media. (but no flying posters please
The constant agenda against Jose and the team is beyond ridiculous.
There aren't that many, only one right now at a top club is Simeone(and Mourinho) and he hasn't won much. That sort of football is only good for financially weaker underdog clubs, you can't sign 100m players and then park the bus, it won't last long.
He openly admitted that he takes no active part in coaching and delegates them to his assistants. He may have the right idea but didn't sign proper assistants.
I doubt they read this forum. Match goers have been supporting Mourinho and the team all along.I think it would go a long way if supporters got behind Mourinho and the team. It would make Jose happier, and energize the team. We should all unite together instead of encouraging the constant negativity of media. (but no flying posters please
The constant agenda against Jose and the team is beyond ridiculous.
For that Jose must be behind the team, and personally i don't think he is. Whether we are talking about the squad or the club itself. I have a feeling his bags are half-packed already.
Then how can you not remember Moyes' days when we just hoofed the ball to Fellaini and got dismantled by every team in the league even when we had 10 players defending at all times as well? We're not playing great under Mourinho, sure, but to claim we're playing the most negative football under him is ridiculous.
Did we hoof the ball to Fellaini under Moyes? Weren't people surprised by the fact that he was used as a DM instead of the "Tim Cahill" role that he had with Everton in his last seasons there?
Yep. He was rarely played in that AM target man role under Moyes for us, surprisingly enough.
It's possible to play absolutely awfully and win the game.
The obvious difference is that Moyes did not even finished one season. So it was in category of a forgotten mistakes.
We did not play awfully against Arsenal away, Spurs at home, Chelsea at home, Liverpool at home, City away...
No it doesn’t but having more possession should mean more chances, more confidence for the players, few chances conceded, less bad luck etc. This is only of the possession game is coached properly, which is where LVG fell down.
So clearly you are confusing shit with negative. All three of Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho play/played shit football. Moyes wasn’t inherintely negative. His tactics were just rudimentary and ineffective, but he tried to attack. Albeit by endlessly crossing. Van Gaal’s football was shit because it was risk averse possession, just endlessly probing. Mourinho’s football is shit because he parks the bus so often and for so long. That’s what defines his negativity. The pervasive lack of intent to attack. I have never had a United manager that negative before. It’s not me saying he’s worse than Moyes or LVG. Just more negative.
Seriously now. This is becoming beyond ridicoulous.
The underdog thing is true and it's the basis for the siege mentality he tries to create. For good or bad reasons a sizable portion of United fans just haven't bought into it and probably never will. His fit here will remain an awkward one for however long he stays
The opening game (H v West Ham) was great from beginning to end. A real quality performance. And an all too common false dawn.
Yup. And, like Jose. it was worse to watch in his second season than in his first. Have both of them lost confidence the longer they've been in the job?
The only really enjoyable stuff has been the fightbacks. The football may be terrible, but the players have frequently shown there's nothing wrong with their mentality. For this, Jose must take much of the credit.
I seem to remember quite a lot of games in his first season (not just in the early part) where we played well, battered the opposition and only came away with a point. It seemed that a simple solution was at hand: bring in a more prolific striker. Which we did, but at the same time our play suddenly got a lot more laboured. Maybe Matic for Herrera didn't help.
Valencia's decline and trying to play with two holding players and 3 behind the striker rather than 3 CMs hurt our balance I believe. I haven't looked but I'd guess that we much more frequently played with 3 CMs in the first season, whereas in the 2nd season I think he thought Matic would be enough to control the midfield while Pogba could go forward. When he tried to get Pogba to play more disciplined he was unable and/or our attacking thrust was diminished.
Good point re. Valencia. He used to make our right side look a lot more effective than it did last season.
The match goers I know are not looking forward to the season and were hoping for a managerial change but feel it a betrayal to voice their concerns during the match. This is just a tradition at the club. Fans pretty much stuck with Moyes and LVG and did not voice that many concerns during the match.
We also backed Moyes and Van Gaal. Fellaini for 30 million was ludacris. Mata, albeit a good player, we overpaid for. Just because Moyes was an idiot and didn't know what to do at the transfer market doesn't mean that the club didn't back him.
Moyes was inherintely negative. What the flying feck are you talking about? This is the guy that wanted to make it "difficult for Newcastle" and in all of his press conferences and interview was extremely negative, always downplaying United and always talking about how we must stop the opposition rather than punch through them. I think you have forgotten pretty quickly what it was.
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
That's negative. Mindless crossing is stupid and negative and of course, for that boring tactic to be effective you need someone big or tall to get at the end of crosses which was pretty much what people moaned about when We signed Lukaku or kept Fellaini. There's a reason why Moyes signed Fellaini.
Mourinho's United have won trophies, showed fight when falling behind against rivals and improved to the highest level since SAF retired.
I think it has more to do with Zlatan than Herrera. Lukaku is a fine striker but his strengths don't really align with what Jose likes. Zlatan was a better target man with better hold up play, better technique, and more creative ideas; a lot of our chance creation that season heavily involved him. Lukaku's faster and a more lethal finisher from inside the box, but he can't play the Zlatan role as effectively.
So against my better judgement, I will respond to the general teeth gnashing and mouth frothing in these posts, by just reiterating the difference between shit and negative. At no point did I say that Moyes or Van Gaal were better managers, had better tenures, were more effective, or played better football. I merely said that of the three - all of whom I find to produce excruciatingly bad football to watch - that Mourinho's tactical style was the most negative. In fact the most negative I have seen in 40 years of watching United. I have never seen a United manager park the bus as often, and for such prolonged period as Mourinho has. He has other qualities as a manager, and I was a strong advocate of his for the job, mainly because I felt his self belief and **** of personality was the only one strong enough not to be cowed by the shadow of Ferguson. But it never really hit home for me, how much "shit on a stick" football we were going to get. For what it is worth, if I had to summarise the three, I would call Moyes inept, Van Gaal overly burden by technical intricacies, and Mourinho negative. I have nothing good to say about the Moyes era, it was fecking bleak. And I have about as many good things to say about the Van Gaal era as I do the Mourinho one. Van Gaal got a 4th and 5th place finish, Mourinho a 6th and 2nd. Mourinho two cups to one. Not much to pick between the two, especially considering Van Gaal's net spend over two seasons was approx 160M and Mourinho's is 302M.
There's no gnashing of teeth but there's nothing that's not shit or negative (aside from Mata on a helicopter) when Moyes was the manager. Even worse when you think We were the champions just a few months before He came here. I don't think We played better under Moyes at all.
Mourinho has played a major part both in the media and the way he plays in breeding that negativity. He has to take responsibility, but we know he won't, and it doesn't look like he's going to change either.I think it would go a long way if supporters got behind Mourinho and the team. It would make Jose happier, and energize the team. We should all unite together instead of encouraging the constant negativity of media. (but no flying posters please
The constant agenda against Jose and the team is beyond ridiculous.
