RepardReece
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Never been less excited for a season than I am with this one, but I still feel the 2013 summer was worse, the beginning of post SAF and all, I just didn't see a bright side in that summer.
Not to mention Rio's testimonial, losing 3-1 at home to Sevilla.Moyes pre season was terrible. Lost or drew with some chinese or thai team.
Definitely didn't.People keep bringing up the Moyes summer but I think that is something that has become worse in hindsight. Sure, no one really wanted Moyes but at the time, we had a squad that had just dominated EPL, we had a world class striker in RVP, and the rest of the team seemed fine too. Our actual summer transfer window (signing Felliani after chasing Fabregas, Thiago, Baines, Bale, Herrera) was a disaster obviously, but we still had a PL winning squad to fall back on. And at that point, no one really knew that Moyes was that bad, he had done well with Everton and had a reputation as a decent manager. Our preseason went well iirc, and we won the Community Shield. Just on a personal level, there was more optimism that summer than this one. Obviously in hindsight, things are different.
Thoughts about the tour overall were slightly more positive here though, even if some predictions didn't manage to come off:More like a testimoanial, am I right guys? Guys?
Then a few threads around the time the transfer window closed:Zaha
Born to play for United. Very much in the mould of United wingers of the past. Young, and Valencia will have a job on their hand to keep him out of the team.
You weren't a member here but in 2013 there was Thiago (De Gea signing the ball), Fabregas, Bale, Ronaldo (Moyes confirmed all of the latter three as his targets). Then there was the failed double bid for Baines and Fellaini, followed by us signing Fellaini for above his release clause on deadline day, the failed signing of Herrera with those 3 men who went to Spain and finally topped off with us trying to sign Coentrao on loan for the season and it falling through.I had low expectations in 2013 with SAF leaving so that was more grim acceptance than disappointment.
This one, given all the rumours about top notch reinforcements on their way - Sandro, Sidibe, Alderweireld etc...
I'm no muppet but it's been the biggest kick in the teeth I can remember.
There was a lot of uncertainty and anxiety then but we were the PL champions at the time and I don't recall there being so much doom and gloom. We were all excited to see what Moysie would do. Nothing compared to this summer where we already know we'll not win the league or play attacking footballYou don’t remember us appointing Moyes and signing Fellaini on deadline day do you?
This imo, but elsewhere too. No smoke without fire but there's a fecking lot of smoke compared to the size of the fire.For United? No. For the cafe? Absolutely.
Would you be saying the same if Pep was not managing City?There was a lot of uncertainty and anxiety then but we were the PL champions at the time and I don't recall there being so much doom and gloom. We were all excited to see what Moysie would do. Nothing compared to this summer where we already know we'll not win the league or play attacking football
Fair enough, after I saw that, I remembered that we had a difficult (poorly planned) tour of Asia that summer. My mistake. I still think though that we were more optimistic that summer, compared to this one.Definitely didn't.
Final game post-match thoughts from this page onwards. Olly with post of the thread for this:
Thoughts about the tour overall were slightly more positive here though, even if some predictions didn't manage to come off:
Then a few threads around the time the transfer window closed:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/post-match-v-scouse.376234/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/david-moyes-that-was-a-good-performance-from-us.376260/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/its-not-as-bad-as-you-think-seriously.376390/
I think 2013 was worse.
Hell yeah, now that was grim, didn't even want to go out and play football that Summer, or play Doctors and NursesNot for me. 1974 was worse than this. We were relegated to division 2 and it felt awful. I was only a kid, but can still remember how it felt. The next season we stormed the league, won it and got promoted. This is a bad un, but not worse than that.
Agreed, Van Gaal was an absolute horror show and will take some beating for rock bottom. Have no idea what it was like back then but eeeeeeeeeesh, people trying the old "worst football they've ever seen" at the moment. Not a hope in hell is this as bad as Van Gaal.For United? No. For the cafe? Absolutely.
LVG literally binned a whole bunch of our serial winners for absolutely no reason. Gutted the lifeblood of SAF's winning legacy out of the club. Imagine if Jose had started his first year with Chicharito/Nani and Rafael still at the club. They aren't the glory signings, but they're serial winning squad filler that we binned off for a bunch of green teenagers, some of which just got stomped out of the club instantly last year because they weren't good enough.The second LVG summer was off the back of a 4th place finish and whilst the football was bad at times it felt like a believable 'process' and was a case of replacing old guard with new. Depay was the exciting potential signing, along with Martial. There was plenty of other signs for optimism albeit no huge confidence.
Nor meHell yeah, now that was grim, didn't even want to go out and play football that Summer, or play Doctors and Nurses
What winners? Fletcher, perhaps? Even then he wasn't good enough anymore. Nani was busted here and it was sadly a long time coming. Hernandez was and still is fairly shite (his cult-like followers will no doubt disagree, albeit there's a reason Madrid didn't buy him and now he can't get a kick at West Ham). Rafael, I loved, but he wasn't exactly a 'serial winner', in spite of his passion for the club.Agreed, Van Gaal was an absolute horror show and will take some beating for rock bottom. Have no idea what it was like back then but eeeeeeeeeesh, people trying the old "worst football they've ever seen" at the moment. Not a hope in hell is this as bad as Van Gaal.
LVG literally binned a whole bunch of our serial winners for absolutely no reason. Gutted the lifeblood of SAF's winning legacy out of the club. Imagine if Jose had started his first year with Chicharito/Nani and Rafael still at the club. They aren't the glory signings, but they're serial winning squad filler that we binned off for a bunch of green teenagers, some of which just got stomped out of the club instantly last year because they weren't good enough.
LVG was a complete and utter disaster for the club.
Then stop reading this forum. It's a cesspit of negativity as far as United is concerned.I'm desperate for a ray of light.
Listening to Radiohead is always a good idea!If my son hadn't been born I would have been *this* close to listening to Radiohead this summer.
What has that got to do with anything?Would you be saying the same if Pep was not managing City?
Still knew we’d do alright during the season. This time most are expecting a car crash.You think this is bad? Can you not remember selling Ronaldo and replacing him with Obertan, Owen and Valencia? This summer is a dream compared.
Let's face it, it was this attitude that got us through the 70s and 80s!I didn't like the Moyes summer. I didn't like anything about it, but I tried to believe that was because I just didn't know him. Depressing is maybe the wrong word, it was just really hard work to dig out any ray of hope. That "chosen one" banner didn't help either, the 30 seconds worth of the joke was never worth the display space at OT.
LvG's second season, I'd started the summer genuinely optimistic. We'd played well at times the previous season, we were on the up. Then I watched the pre-season and realised that LvG had decided to throw away everything good about the previous season. By the time the season started I feared the worse, and that's what I got. More annoying than depressing.
Mourinho summers are weird. I don't enjoy the doom merchant show he puts on for the press. I don't like the undersell of our players or our chances. I don't like the buck-passing that I hear when he speaks. I can't say I've found the preseason depressing though, more uninspiring.
As for history. Getting relegated was the worst. Looking at the fixtures list for the next season, looking at the empty league tables, all pretty grim. Strangely enough, the season that followed was actually enjoyable.
I don't know. I guess I don't find football depressing. Mind you, I'm always convinced that we're going to win the lot until it's mathematically proven that we can't. And when it's mathematically proven we can't I'm convinced we will do it next season.
Moyes was definitely worse, so much worse. I certainly don’t feel we are running around chasing unobtainable players - but we do have a budget.I thought the Moyes summer was more depressing. This runs it close though. Not because of the lack of signings, but the way we have been playing and José's attitude to the team does not leave me with too much confidence.
Indeed. It's probably part of the reason why I personally think the "false dawn" problem is overstated - the more dawns the better. You have to enjoy the fun when it's there, whether that's a win in a derby match or a last minute equaliser against an also ran.Let's face it, it was this attitude that got us through the 70s and 80s!
This.For United? No. For the cafe? Absolutely.