Give it to Carras til the end of the season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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Why do you think everyone is so frustrated? Because we actually have good players that don't perform at all. The ability is not in question.
Can you elaborate on that??
Casey Stoney because she looks like an actual inspiration.
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DOF before any other appointment at this club.
He's my first thought, but just wondering if taking over in this atmosphere might not be too much for him....
Jose is neither. It is both, today was on the players in the first half for not scoring, but Jose's and the players reaction to the 2-0 wasnt good, even if he set up well. But the fans are overrreacting, he wont be sacked, far from it.
Arsene Wenger. Laugh if you like. It's like Apollo joining Rocky.
Both never managed a first team squad, very young and have very little experience between them. We'd need someone with way more authority to get this lot playing decent football again.
Which is why a caretaker makes sense rather than handing/courting another full time manager before the end of the season
Poch only recently signed a 6 year deal with Spurs, it's highly unlikely he is going to jump ship this year or even the next.
Madrid, with all their lure and appeal, could not persuade him. What makes you think United could do any better given the circumstances?
What did Jose do wrong at 2-0? I thought the players reaction was great, they tried everything to get back into the game which is partly what left us so exposed for their 3rd.
To be fair, we could do a lot worse than giving Wenger the tools to put one over Arsenal.
It's actually perfect timing now, you come in knowing people aren't expecting you to challenge for trophies. Get almost a full season to get up and running and make a transfer list, knowing you'll get unflinching backing because of the situation.
Cantona for caretaker because he'll just go full out attack and flair.
What's the point even discussing this. I think Jose will be backed till the end of the season and he will be in charge even if we finish 6th. Yeah we lost 2 and we play awful football but Jose has been this bad for 2 years. I don't see shit would change. Old Trafford has emptied early before and many times in the last 5 years, ed just cares money is coming in from the commercial side.
He wasted 2 subs, Fellaini and Lindelöf are useless. Long balls is not a reaction, it rarely works. And every one knows what we are doing when behind. Today was another game where it didnt work, surprise. When we go behind City or Pool, he will do the same again and we wont come back. His plan B is always the same. The effort is there, but we dont use the ball well and neither should a top team rely on luck and long balls when we have good footballers in the squad.
Now yes. But we're gonna wait until we hit rock bottom, and until the gangrene has rotted off the entire limb before we go for the amputation.
I’m sorry but I do not agree. We have some good players yes but depth and talent wise I feel we are quite a way behind the top teams in league and Europe.
Definitely a new manager may get them playing better but I feel we need at least three or four top tier players brought in before we mount any serious challenge for the league nevermind the CL. Anyway that’s my opinion and I have had it for a few years now.
Mathematically relegated?
I know there are Woodward threads out there, but this is one key thing that should not happen, IMO. We judge managers by how they play, who they sign, and what they win. Why shouldn't we do the same for Woodward? If Mourinho is deemed incapable of taking the club forward as manager, then so should be Woodward, at least for the footballing side of things. This is HIS report card:
Moyes: F (Worst Manager at a top club. Ever.)
Wasted 70m on Mata and Fellaini. Finished 7th. Won jack shit.
Van Gaal: C- (Terrible football, terrible signings, no soul)
Romero, Shaw, Herrera and Martial were all good signings for a king's ransom of 120m. But that's about it. Woody let LVG waste another 180m on sub-par players like Blind, Rojo, Di Maria, Depay, Schneiderlin, Darmian as well as princely wages for Schweinsteiger, Falcao and Valdes. Finished 4th and 5th. Embarrassed ourselves in the CL. Won a consolation prize in the FA cup. NONE of this 180m+wages actually helped us in any way at all. Neither did the unprofessional way in which Woody sacked LVG.
Mourinho: C (Defensive, disjointed, safety first football)
Woody seemed to back Mourinho so far, with 90m on Pogba, 70m on Lukaku, 80m for Fred/Matic, 40m for Mkhi, along with 70m on Bailly and Lindelof. Mou won the Europa League to keep us in the CL, and then finished 2nd behind a rampaging City. But once the CBs didn't look like they could make it, and an underperforming Mkhi has now been replaced with an underperforming Alexis, Woody seems to have changed his mind halfway, and neither sacked Mourinho nor backed him. If Mou is sacked, it will be partly be Woodward's fault, too. Like Gary Neville said, you don't leave a house three quarters built and leave it unfinished.
None of the managers play with United's traditions of attractive attacking football. The only one of the lot who had the board's full unwavering support was the one who wasted the most amount of money, and was booted out unceremoniously. And the one who deserved the most backing has been left out to hang and dry, and die a slow painful death instead of being sacked.
Woody has no idea how to hire managers. Or who to purchase. His obsession for Galacticos has hurt the club one too many times. His lack of footballing knowledge is plainly apparent. His inability to get transfers done efficiently is all too known. He might have been making us successful off the pitch, but he's responsible for the mess on it. His uncertainty over summer is an absolute sackable offense.
Kick Woody off football business. Get a DoF in who knows the club and the way we want to do things, and let that fella have full control over managers, philosophies, transfers and vision. Till you find that DoF, stay with Mourinho, and back him as much as you can. Once you get that DoF, go back to the money side of things and leave the football to someone who knows it, instead of fecking up the club more and more every season. And don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Moyes: F (Worst Manager at a top club. Ever.)
Wasted 70m on Mata and Fellaini. Finished 7th. Won jack shit.
Van Gaal: C- (Terrible football, terrible signings, no soul)
Romero, Shaw, Herrera and Martial were all good signings for a king's ransom of 120m. But that's about it. Woody let LVG waste another 180m on sub-par players like Blind, Rojo, Di Maria, Depay, Schneiderlin, Darmian as well as princely wages for Schweinsteiger, Falcao and Valdes. Finished 4th and 5th. Embarrassed ourselves in the CL. Won a consolation prize in the FA cup. NONE of this 180m+wages actually helped us in any way at all. Neither did the unprofessional way in which Woody sacked LVG.
Mourinho: C (Defensive, disjointed, safety first football)
Woody seemed to back Mourinho so far, with 90m on Pogba, 70m on Lukaku, 80m for Fred/Matic, 40m for Mkhi, along with 70m on Bailly and Lindelof. Mou won the Europa League to keep us in the CL, and then finished 2nd behind a rampaging City. But once the CBs didn't look like they could make it, and an underperforming Mkhi has now been replaced with an underperforming Alexis, Woody seems to have changed his mind halfway, and neither sacked Mourinho nor backed him. If Mou is sacked, it will be partly be Woodward's fault, too. Like Gary Neville said, you don't leave a house three quarters built and leave it unfinished.
None of the managers play with United's traditions of attractive attacking football. The only one of the lot who had the board's full unwavering support was the one who wasted the most amount of money, and was booted out unceremoniously. And the one who deserved the most backing has been left out to hang and dry, and die a slow painful death instead of being sacked.
Woody has no idea how to hire managers. Or who to purchase. His obsession for Galacticos has hurt the club one too many times. His lack of footballing knowledge is plainly apparent. His inability to get transfers done efficiently is all too known. He might have been making us successful off the pitch, but he's responsible for the mess on it. His uncertainty over summer is an absolute sackable offense.
Kick Woody off football business. Get a DoF in who knows the club and the way we want to do things, and let that fella have full control over managers, philosophies, transfers and vision. Till you find that DoF, stay with Mourinho, and back him as much as you can. Once you get that DoF, go back to the money side of things and leave the football to someone who knows it, instead of fecking up the club more and more every season. And don't let the door hit you on your way out.
I'd take Laurent Blanc or Roberto Martinez in the short-term. Don't think Martinez would accept that sort of appointment, though.
Who's going to hire the DoF?
Otherwise yeah I agree with you.
Otherwise yeah I agree with you.
We’ll do a poll then.
Lindelof came on because Jones was injured tbf. Fellaini is useless though, and it's on Jose that he didn't have a player like Martial to come off the bench.
Let the rest of the entire board, SAF and some of the legends together take that call. Anyone but Woody.
We're in the unfortunate scenario where he's either got to hire the next manager or he's got to hire the Director of Football who will hire the next manager. Depending on who's available in a DOF role, I prefer that route.
Yeah Martinez has a cushy job with Belgium. Blanc's a good shout for caretaker, not in a job now and has some experience to ride out a season. Can put himself back on the map too as a manager for other clubs.
Unfortunately the club isn't a democracy and now watch the guy in charge firing himself. He's not even obligated to sack Mourinho if he likes him.
Tbf he didn't hire Moyes, but was still responsible for this crap Fellaini window.
Spot on on the rest. I'm not waiting for a third managerial appointment failure. Feck him off already.
Spot on on the rest. I'm not waiting for a third managerial appointment failure. Feck him off already.
Agreed. Getting a DoF is the most important step the club needs to take.
Give me the job Ed.
Wenger. There is no one else available.
Exactly. If he it doesn't work out, he was just doing a caretaker job or some such spiel. Would give him time to settle without the pressure. Still need a world class coaching team around him though if we get him.
He can go all out and win the CL
Just joking of course.I agree - who in their right mind would trust him to make the 3rd appointment?
Who should then?
Certainly not Fergie. He was the one who chose Moyes and Ed new into his job wasn’t going to argue with Fergies decision. Fergie also wanted Martin O’Neil to replace him when he was originally going to retire in 2001, whilst board wanted Sven.
Certainly not Fergie. He was the one who chose Moyes and Ed new into his job wasn’t going to argue with Fergies decision. Fergie also wanted Martin O’Neil to replace him when he was originally going to retire in 2001, whilst board wanted Sven.
What we need is a long term DOF with a certain vision. He then hires the manager to implement that vision (preferably something like klopp or guardiola or someone like them) Both the DOF and the then manager look at players who fit certain criteria for the said philosophy we wish to play.
We have gone from moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho. Three different managers who then had to get rid of certain players and buy new ones all to implement their own style of play.
By long term DOF i mean he stays at the club for at least ten years.
We have gone from moyes to Van Gaal to Mourinho. Three different managers who then had to get rid of certain players and buy new ones all to implement their own style of play.
By long term DOF i mean he stays at the club for at least ten years.
The best decision would be a behind the scenes re-shuffling, where a DOF picks a manager or there's an agreement for the two and they are announced together. I'm always baffled at the ponderous, laboured decision-making of this club. The bare minimum is that EW needs to be jettisoned from the player acquisition side of the operation. I'm not on board with Jose's rumored target list but it's absurd to think that Toby and Maguire weren't upgrades.
The first five words are enough tbh.
That window told me all I needed to know about him - overpaying for Fellaini and the whole Herrera fiasco
I would certainly have zero confidence in him making a good appointment. However, even if he didn't appoint the next manager, he'd still presumably be deciding who does? At which point we have to ask whether we have confidence in him to do that well, which I don't.
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