What ever way it ends up I just hope both end up leaving
Mourinho tells Paul Pogba he'll never captain Manchester United again
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Ronaldo tried to leave and even said we were ensalving him. Fergy begged him to stay another season. Because he understood the value of hum both on and off the pitch.
What im trying to say is, Jose needs to realise that Pogba is our and only creative spark in the team. On top of being probably our most valuable player if he was to be sold. Basically its a stupid fight to be involved in because he wont win it.
The armband doesn't really mean that much to be honest. The true leaders will emerge regardless. Back when Neville & Giggs passed our captaincy around, it was clear Ferdinand & Vidic were leading us. Hazard was Belgium's captain in the World Cup despite Kompany & Lukaku being the obvious leaders of the team. Happens all the time.
Fergie got rid of Pogba because of his and his agents attitude. You think Fergie would do any differently now? Jose’s right.
We are literally hilariously bad. Thanks everyone who begged for Mourinho at this club.
I am tired of all this shit.
OMG there's nothing wrong with that single quote. Similarly, there's nothing wrong with Pogba's single quote either. Neither, strictly speaking, has said anything wrong in that one quote.
This is a saga which has to be read between the lines over time. You can't say one has done nothing wrong and the other is totally wrong, whether its Mourinho or Pogba you support. They are either both right or both wrong.
What do you mean "this year"? We, and our gutter-press, have been "enjoying" it for three seasons.
Fergie didn't "get rid" of Pogba.
Jose gave him the captaincy to try and show faith in him and acknowledge his contribution. People have incredibly short memories.
Go on then, what did he do? He could have kept him. He decided not to based on the attitude of him and his agent. If that’s not getting rid I don’t know what is
We'd be a dog beer
Incredible that there still people here that believe in Pogba after he did the same with Ferguson.
He didnt give him captaincy. He is only captain when Valencia is not playing.
There’s a hell of a difference between Ronaldo and Pogba ,
We all knew Ronaldo ‘s end game was to play for RM but he didn’t show the lack of respect to his manager his club and his fans that Pogba does , you can see that in the reception that Ton gets whenever he comes back .
Do you think Pogba will get that type of reception ?
Fergie wanted him to stay, but Pogba wanted guarantees of game time. Juve offered this to him so he left.
Are there any quotes from the great man about this? It has always seemed to be a bit of a grey area.
The same way Sir Alex booted out Ronaldo or Rooney as soon they agitated?
All this "booting out" business is also dependent on the quality of the player. Far easier to boot out easily replaceable players than superstars whose clones cannot be found easily.
Sure and when Rooney decided to.. ohh wait...
Those clubs have both been more successful than us since we lost SAF and their fans hold the club to much higher standards than we currently do. We are the biggest club in the world, it's time we started demanding it on the pitch.
Just be gone Jose. Him fecking off will have a bigger liberating feeling than when Moyes was canned
I agree on your Valencia point- he’s not a good captain at all from my view, he’s played in England over 10 years and still can’t speak proper English!? Pogba should not be saying this stuff in public, it’s not just what he’s said but knowing saying this is going to cause a huge shit storm with media, fans etc. He’s not even saying it from a position of strength cos he’s not all that
Both need to go at this point, let the pair of them cause unrest at another club with their huge ego's, I believe if you gave a manager like klopp or guardiola a midfield 3 of herrera, pereira and fred, they could get it working well.
Ferguson did whatever he wanted at the time it happened in whatever scenario. I don't like how people make out like he had hard and fast rules. Even his former players acknowledge he treated people differently.
Erm Pogba left, the deal was on the table and Fergie wanted to keep him.
From his book;
“We had Paul under a three-year contract, and it had a one-year renewal option which we were eager to sign."
“Raiola suddenly appeared on the scene and our first meeting was a fiasco. He and I were like oil and water."
Pogba went on, stopped the journos deliberately to tell them he's not the manager and can't say but the team should be attacking more. When he was asked about it he said they should be asking someone else not him, after stopping the journos on his own.
Meanwhile, Mourinho told journos that Ed is trying his best for him, he gave him list of names and see what will happen, if he can't get him players, we'll have to keep fighting and believing in what we had.
If you seriously believe both are similar then again I can't do any more than what I did. I brought real quotes. I compared both. If you want to interpret it the way you want then it's not my problem.
Just because a myth is said somewhere here, doesn't mean it's a fact.
Jose will probably now drop Pogba for McTominay and instruct the team to play even more defensive football in order to show everyone who is the boss.
It's Pogba that should stick to the United way, and it isn't some artificial dream of playing constant attacking football, but it is to respect the team and manager to the last minute, instead of going to the media with his thoughts and whims.
Rooney would have spent the past few years in Chelsea had Fergie stayed for one more season. Only Ed and Moyes were the reasons of him staying.
Does this explain the absence of Pereira in tonight's game? Is Pereira potentially playing instead of Pogba next time in light of Pogba's comments?
Who didn't guess this was going to happen with Jose? It was always a question of 'when', not 'if'.
Let's hope we don't have to wait until the very end like we had to with Moyes and Van Gaal. Still enough left for us to have a decent season. Don't want to see Jose at our club post the international break.
Let's hope we don't have to wait until the very end like we had to with Moyes and Van Gaal. Still enough left for us to have a decent season. Don't want to see Jose at our club post the international break.
Indeed, he did what he thought was best in the situation. In that situation he felt we needed Rooney to be successful. With Beckham he didn't.
Plus no one is infallible anyway.
Ronaldo said he was a slave to United and you dont think thats him showing us disrespect? Oh my.
People forgave and ignore it because Ronaldo was great for us before he left. But please dont say he didn’t disrespect.
Jose said Pogba has been rested...
And what about the first time he asked to leave?
Thats because he was passed it and Fergie knew it. Fergie did what was best in different situations and sometimes he did pander to players who disrespected/undermined the club.
Fergie is the only one who can analyzes if the player disrespected the club or not, and on that analysis he took the action. He didn't bend to any player who disrespected him.
Look, we'll hire the right manager and stick with him until he calls it a day, you know, like what happened with Sir Alex and Sir Matt. We'll keep switching managers until we find someone who ticks all the boxes, Jose isn't that guy so he might as well go.
One of them will leave for sure now.
Jose got him in! People complaining wanting Pogba for years and crying about Fergie selling him are just as bad.
Woodie should lock those 2 up in a room with no wifi/mobile for 48 hours with 4 bottles of water, a watermelon, 2 towels and a bottle of baby oil and force them to sort things out for good.
Time after time and Pogba never shuts up. He is the the only player who keep fecking talking. Just shut the feck up or feck off already. It's getting bored now really. Every one should get behind the team ffs and stop fecking drama. He is a god damn employee.