Mourinho tells Paul Pogba he'll never captain Manchester United again

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Nothing was worse than LvG, but if you gave him the squad we have now I think we'd be doing better. At least we'd try to dominate matches and not only do Fellaini long balls constantly. LvG played with Blind, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Memphis, Rooney, Herrera, Mata and a retiring Carrick... if Dalot, Shaw, Pogba, Fred, Pereira and Sanchez would perform like Martial and Rashford did we'd be another team completely.
Maybe you don't remember how LVG used Fellaini.
 

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He's probably as pissed off as we are and couldn't resit it.
Fans are fans and are allowed their opinions... it's debatable as some see the captain as just a ceremonial position.

I think that they should be model professionals and examples to the rest of the team - the way Pogba has acted for weeks now hasn't been that. I'm not defending Mourinho here, just calling a spade a spade.
 

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Going off to media to mouth when club has problems? Undermining the manager publicly?

I don't really think Jose is doing a great job, but a player can't really be mouthing in the public all the time and not expect repercussions.
Repercussions (losing the armband) will mean nothing to bad if something more serious isn't done (like sending him to the reserves or simply benching him)
@JPRouve I agree with you, he really shouldn't have said anything. There was feck all to gain
 

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It was never the press causing problems, only extremely naive people believe this. When a story comes out in various outlets, it's been leaked and in those cases there is never smoke without fire, even if the headlines are sensational at times.
Every media outlet wrote about it. They aren't going to give a direct quote, never.

It was obviously true we didn't need Jose to "confirm" it.
Proof from the horses mouth usurps all and stops any counter-arguments dead. There were a number of back and forths in here over whether it was fact or fiction that can no longer exist.

The circular nature of the discussion pre-confirmation is now over. That'll be across fora and in discussions all over the country/world regarding the did he, didn't he that existed an hour ago.
 

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Timeline of most thread here:
'Newsstory abour some bust up with Mou and a player'
'Oh this is just the media making up clickbait, stop posting that'
'Later confirmed to be 100% true'

Feck this is like the tenth time it happened this year. When will people finally learn?
 

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Difficult one for me because player power is a dangerous game.

However Mourinho just seems to fall out with everyone these days.

If truth be known I wouldn’t be bothered if both left provided we got well over £100m for Pogba. He’s just too much drama off the pitch. Liverpool have 3 workhorses in midfield but they work as a team. Pogba is out there for himself.
 

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Is this really for the attack comments or something else? I'd just assumed something else had happened!
 

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Proof from the horses mouth usurps all and stops any counter-arguments dead. There were a number of back and forths in here over whether it was fact or fiction that can no longer exist.

The circular nature of the discussion pre-confirmation is now over. That'll be across fora and in discussions all over the country/world regarding the did he, didn't he that existed an hour ago.
Most of us realised it was true 3 hours ago.
 

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I think if this was at any other club, I'd expect Mourinho to be leaving shortly.

But this is United and we keep things ticking over even when it's obvious a change is needed.
 

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Never mind Pogba never captaining us again, I wish Mourinho would never manage us again.
 

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The point is it's not how a captain should behave. Regardless of the situation.
It depends if that captain or player feels more loyalty to the club's principles or to a coach that's losing the plot. I can argue he's showing leadership in wanting the club to play like Manchester United used to quite successfully, instead of adhering to a defensive coach who can't even bother to get the results after three years of trying to get his message across.
 

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Proof from the horses mouth usurps all and stops any counter-arguments dead. There were a number of back and forths in here over whether it was fact or fiction that can no longer exist.

The circular nature of the discussion pre-confirmation is now over. That'll be across fora and in discussions all over the country/world regarding the did he, didn't he that existed an hour ago.
Denial is the most predictable human trait. We have so many supporters who bury their head in the sand and refuse to accept the obvious.
 

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Let me get it straight, Mourinho told Pogba he'll never captain United again ever because of his attitude and in the interview, he said he want us to attack more, attack, attack. Now Mourinho throws Baily and Jones under the bus? Criticizing them because they don't have the motivation to beat them? Last time I check, he has been here for longer than 2 years and he couldn't do a proper job of motivating them.
 

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Fans are fans and are allowed their opinions... it's debatable as some see the captain as just a ceremonial position.

I think that they should be model professionals and examples to the rest of the team - the way Pogba has acted for weeks now hasn't been that. I'm not defending Mourinho here, just calling a spade a spade.
At this point how can he still play Pogba? If he does is he expecting him to put his all in? Our best player and one of the only reasons i tune in anymore being pushed out by this cnut!
 

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Pogba is a clown and has been undermining the manager and overall crap since he got here -don't let a highlight reel performance against Basel fool you.

The manager is another problem all together - both need to go.
 

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It depends if that captain or player feels more loyalty to the club's principles or to a coach that's losing the plot. I can argue he's showing leadership in wanting the club to play like Manchester United used to quite successfully, instead of adhering to a defensive coach who can't even bother to get the results after three years of trying to get his message across.
That's a fair point to make; I think it depends on what angle you come at it from - from a purely hierarchical point of view, the manager is there to make the decisions and the players need to invest in these decisions or they'll second guess everything and we'll be in a vicious cycle.
 

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Pogba is a clown and has been undermining the manager and overall crap since he got here -don't let a highlight reel performance against Basel fool you.

The manager is another problem all together - both need to go.
Amazing how he didn't manage to undermine France en route to a world cup trophy with a different manager.
 

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Denial is the most predictable human trait. We have so many supporters who bury their head in the sand and refuse to accept the obvious.
Can you really blame people for not trusting everything that comes out of the press? Not like they've never made things up before. They got this one right, and once every one agreed on the story and it came out of the horse's mouth, then there's no question; but to trust quote-less stories is for dummies and gullible people.
 

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At this point how can he still play Pogba? If he does is he expecting him to put his all in? Our best player and one of the only reasons i tune in anymore being pushed out by this cnut!
I have no doubt if he could get away with it, Pogba wouldn't be playing. It's like the Ronaldo situation he had at Madrid, he just can't afford to drop him.
 

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Pogba shouldn't be the captain, but saying he isn't captain material when the past it Velanica and Young captain the team is laughable to say the least.

Pogba shouldn't have given that interview but I can't help but think Mourinho's man management brings on drama like this. It happens at every club he seems to manage and Pogba hasn't seemed to be a trouble maker at Juve or for France, it's only now, under Mourinho that issues like this start to appear.
 

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Amazing how he didn't manage to undermine France en route to a world cup trophy with a different manager.
Or Conte, or Allegri. Just about happens that he's undermining a manager who has a history of falling to pieces at his last 2 clubs.
 

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Yes Pogba, how many great coaches does he have to annoy before someone realizes he is a dickhead. Fergie knew.
Last time I check, he has great relationship with Allgeri, Conte and Deschamps, did very well. With Jose, it's a different story.
 

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Its amazing he only plays for France a few times a year and cant ask for more money or transfers isnt it?
If money was an issue then he wouldn't play for them at all. The difference between here and there is night and day.
 

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Its amazing he only plays for France a few times a year and cant ask for more money or transfers isnt it?
Why wasn't there any issues when he was at Juve? Drama like this always seems to follow Mourinho and the clubs he goes to. There's a theme there
 

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I mean, if you were managing someone in a regular job and you heard them spouting off shit about the way you run your team, in the canteen. Most people would do something similar to mourinho. I’m starting to fecking hate Pogba and his bullshit. it’s sadly going to mean Mourinho will probably be the one binned.

I’d happily ship off Pogba to Juve to get someone like Dybala in return. We’ve been playing without a proper no 10 for ages to accommodate Pogba in his own playground football role.
 

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Just put it this way: If you were Jose, trying to do your job managing a club full of egos while not being backed by the board. What would you do if your star player came out a few times to complain like Pogba has been doing?

Now imagine if you're Pogba and you think your team should play better, would you keep sulking and come out and talk with the press so many times while being club captain?

If you're unbiased there's only one to defend here.
 

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Pogba is a clown and has been undermining the manager and overall crap since he got here -don't let a highlight reel performance against Basel fool you.

The manager is another problem all together - both need to go.
Yeah with this train of thought to be honest. The pair of them are becoming poisonous, this ego battle they’re having is making us a laughing stock. It’s completely unacceptable. It wouldn’t even be acceptable if they were both performing in their roles but they’ve both been a shambles this year.
At this point what are we actually gaining from Pogba and Mourinho?