The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[endless_wheelies]

What a load of rubbish

Nothing in Mourinho's history points towards being able to turn around his inevitable meltdowns,this constant straw grasping over mythical 'player power' doesn't change that reality

Well the "inevitable meltdowns" I assume you must be referring to are only found in 2 of his 8 jobs, one presumably being Real Madrid which ended with a Champions League semi-final 4-3 aggregate defeat and a second place La Liga finish, the other where he was doing far better than Klopp at Dortmund at the time of his sacking and the only variable being the patience of the owner.

I think were the players forced to get back behind him you and others would be shocked as to the upturn in form we'd experience.

Or if he's sacked you and others wouldn't be shocked as to how fast things went south with whatever manager was stupid enough to follow.

 

[fishfingers15]

It started off great, large portions of quality chicken and all the trimmings, but it quickly began to deteriorate. The portions were smaller and the food often overcooked, turned to shite basically.

Just like Jose Mourinho.

I usually eat at a Nandos Peri Peri near by

 

[Bastian]

What's the point in having several different Mourinho discussion threads? Whether you're Mourinho In or Mourinho Out, the discussion is going to revolve around... Mourinho, in or out?

I like having a thread that is positively supporting the manager and if the mods decide to merge again, I'd rather they close this thread.

 

[Moriarty]

It started off great, large portions of quality chicken and all the trimmings, but it quickly began to deteriorate. The portions were smaller and the food often overcooked, turned to shite basically.

Just like Jose Mourinho.

That's often the way. My local Indian has been consistently good for over 10 years. The food is always top quality and very fresh. The owner's wife oversees the kitchen so maybe that's why because she says she wouldn't serve her customers anything she wouldn't serve to her own family. Jose could learn something from her.

 

[giorno]

On hindsight, I agree with Beckham. He still had a lot to give.

SAF's fall out with Beckham did not ruin your season, did not have a particularly negative impact with the team, and was promptly resolved. Beckham also wasn't your best or most irreplaceable player at the time, that was Ruud

 

[endless_wheelies]

I've seen wishful thinking and I've seen delusion.

Do you honestly feel that Pogba is the only reason we're in such a mess?

You don't think he's a reason?

 

[Theonas]

Well the "inevitable meltdowns" I assume you must be referring to are only found in 2 of his 8 jobs, one presumably being Real Madrid which ended with a Champions League semi-final 4-3 aggregate defeat and a second place La Liga finish, the other where he was doing far better than Klopp at Dortmund at the time of his sacking and the only variable being the patience of the owner.

I think were the players forced to get back behind him you and others would be shocked as to the upturn in form we'd experience.

Or if he's sacked you and others wouldn't be shocked as to how fast things went south with whatever manager was stupid enough to follow.

That's just impossible to do. There is a reason why no club ever forces players to get behind a manager they don't believe in, feel free to provide examples to the contrary. That reason is we are talking about a profession where the supply is simply not big enough or cheap enough for any big club to treat them like the military. If you work at a grocery shop, you're expendable because there are millions who can the same job as you, maybe even cheaper. That is why certain industries can afford to treat their employees the way you suggest and others don't.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I have no clue how some fans on here still back him.

 

[reddevil80]

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Of all the foolish things to factor in this has to the most trivial. These guys haven't watched football long enough to get a feel for when a 'soccer' team is spiralling downwards. It also says they feel his CV has earned him time to turn things around. The same CV that contains several 3rd season meltdowns where he couldn't turn things round. That's it. I've given up on CL football next season

Glazers give time and chances do they?, Moyes and LVG?? Plus, they obviously don't thoroughly read cv's do they? I agree with you pal, there will be no CL footie next season but I do hope that they see sense and release JM from his contract, we can afford the financial hit, and let's hope the next coach/manager focuses on entertaining the hard working fans and putting a challenge up for the league next season. I have my fingers crossed.

 

[fishfingers15]

SAF's fall out with Beckham did not ruin your season, did not have a particularly negative impact with the team, and was promptly resolved. Beckham also wasn't your best or most irreplaceable player at the time, that was Ruud

We were strictly talking about falling out with players in peak. In that case, Ruud's departure led us to winning more things. We struggled after Stam with some diabolical replacements but as I said, I would rather back Fergie even if it meant disastrous consequences because I trust him. Mou doesn't deserve anywhere near that trust.

 

[Penna]

All posts from the Mourinho survivalist thread have been moved here. Please don't keep starting new pro- or anti-Mourinho threads. Thanks.

 

[Bubz27]

You don't think he's a reason?

A? Yes I do.

Do I think selling Pogba and replacing him means everything else instantaneously sorts itself out? Nope.

 

[JK-27]

I have no clue how some fans on here still back him.

Probably because not all fault can be laid at his door. He has to take some yes, but not all.

Everything Jose said preseason about it being a difficult season, especially if we didn't get in a new defender, has been proved true. He's not lied to fans. He tells the truth, but some people don't want to hear it.

Woodward is clueless on the football side. He did not back Moyes, or LVG. He signed Jose to a new contract to 2020 in January, and come July does not back the manager in buying the players the manager requested. Instead he wanted to buy Varane a player who a) Real Madrid didn't want to sell and b) who didn't want to come to Utd anyway. Why not back the manager when the manger gave you a list of players to buy, and before the transfer window closed was pleading with you for a new defender?

Players don't play for the shirt.

If you honestly believe getting rid of Jose, our most successful manager since Sir Alex left, a manager who has won more trophies in more leagues than any current manager, is the sole answer to our problems then those fans are delusional.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Now that is worrying.
How the hell is ronaldo and juve not a sell out

Now I've read it again the Jueve was on about a match day VIP experience. That probably costs the earth.

Buy tickets now and get behind the players this Saturday at Old Trafford when they take on Newcastle.

Plus, guarantee your seat with a Matchday VIP Experience to see Ronaldo's return to Old Trafford for an unmissable Champions League match.

I thought the 2 were combined but I now believe they are different offers. Teach me for reading it on my phone at work.

 

[Random Task]

Probably because not all fault can be laid at his door. He has to take some yes, but not all.

Everything Jose said preseason about it being a difficult season, especially if we didn't get in a new defender, has been proved true. He's not lied to fans. He tells the truth, but some people don't want to hear it.

Woodward is clueless on the football side. He did not back Moyes, or LVG. He signed Jose to a new contract to 2020 in January, and come July does not back the manager in buying the players the manager requested. Instead he wanted to buy Varane a player who a) Real Madrid didn't want to sell and b) who didn't want to come to Utd anyway. Why not back the manager when the manger gave you a list of players to buy, and before the transfer window closed was pleading with you for a new defender?

Players don't play for the shirt.

If you honestly believe getting rid of Jose, our most successful manager since Sir Alex left, a manager who has won more trophies in more leagues than any current manager, is the sole answer to our problems then those fans are delusional.

If there is one universal truth we United fans have learned since the great man retired, it's that success is by no means guaranteed. Sacking Jose tomorrow will not instantly elevate United to elite status once again, but it will put an end to a great many problems currently surrounding the club - they need not be listed I'm sure.

There are no guarantees save one - if Jose remains in charge we will absolutely not qualify for the CL next season. For that reason alone he simply must go, allowing the new manager time enough to evaluate the squad and the club in general. He may even rejuvenate and inspire the players to reach a top 4 spot.

 

[Bastian]

All posts from the Mourinho survivalist thread have been moved here. Please don't keep starting new pro- or anti-Mourinho threads. Thanks.

I wouldn't have started it if the old one had been left alone or locked. There was one positive Mourinho thread (and then another) and probably 10 or more negative ones. I don't get why it has to be merged. I guess I'll just stop posting about Mourinho.

 

[Sandikan]

Now I've read it again the Jueve was on about a match day VIP experience. That probably costs the earth.



I thought the 2 were combined but I now believe they are different offers. Teach me for reading it on my phone at work.

Thank goodness for that.
If games like that were up for grabs, I'd start wondering why I bother with the hassle of a season ticket and all the arrangements, pals and logistics of it!

 

[JK-27]

If there is one universal truth we United fans have learned since the great man retired, it's that success is by no means guaranteed. Sacking Jose tomorrow will not instantly elevate United to elite status once again, but it will put an end to a great many problems currently surrounding the club - they need not be listed I'm sure.

There are no guarantees save one - if Jose remains in charge we will absolutely not qualify for the CL next season. For that reason alone he simply must go, allowing the new manager time enough to evaluate the squad and the club in general. He may even rejuvenate and inspire the players to reach a top 4 spot.

I remember fans saying back in January when we had a wobble that we wouldn't finish in the top 4, that Liverpool were going to overtake us. And we finished 2nd.

I remember fans calling for him to be sacked at half time when we played City at the Etihad, they said he had humiliated us for playing such bad football and giving them the title in the derby. In the end we won the game.

None of us can accurately predict the future, especially the fans on here who have already been proven wrong with their predictions.

Fact remains, we've tried different managers and different players over the past 5 seasons, the only thing we've not changed is Ed Woodward thinking he knows more than the managers he employs.

 

[Mainoldo]

I wouldn't have started it if the old one had been left alone or locked. There was one positive Mourinho thread (and then another) and probably 10 or more negative ones. I don't get why it has to be merged. I guess I'll just stop posting about Mourinho.

Please do. Your positivity for him his annoying! He’s not turning this around.

 

[Mainoldo]

I remember fans saying back in January when we had a wobble that we wouldn't finish in the top 4, that Liverpool were going to overtake us. And we finished 2nd.

I remember fans calling for him to be sacked at half time when we played City at the Etihad, they said he had humiliated us for playing such bad football and giving them the title in the derby. In the end we won the game.

None of us can accurately predict the future, especially the fans on here who have already been proven wrong with their predictions.

Fact remains, we've tried different managers and different players over the past 5 seasons, the only thing we've not changed is Ed Woodward thinking he knows more than the managers he employs.

Mourinho had two years of doing what the hell he wanted. He provides us with no EPL title and crap football. The guy over the road got the same backing and brought a title and good football. I fail to see how this is Ed’s problem. Thank god he never brought more players. We’d be spending two years trying to get rid of them. No more Matic’s thanks.

 

[fellaini's barber]

All this talk of players downing tools and players 'not caring' are just narratives Jose and people are inventing to divert attention from the real problem. Is there any player you can point out with 100% certainty that has downed tools? They're all trying, including the much attacked Pogba when they're out there. They're doing their best and the same thing they've been doing since Jose's tenure, its just not working. People are just viciously attacking the players just to excuse Jose's ineptitude. Sure some of them are not good enough and need to be shipped out, but that is no excuse for the rubbish we've been served for the past two seasons

 

[Xaviboy]

Looking at the football tonight by some of the teams we are so far behind. It's fecking depressing to see. Get Mourinho out asap.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Glazers give time and chances do they?, Moyes and LVG?? Plus, they obviously don't thoroughly read cv's do they? I agree with you pal, there will be no CL footie next season but I do hope that they see sense and release JM from his contract, we can afford the financial hit, and let's hope the next coach/manager focuses on entertaining the hard working fans and putting a challenge up for the league next season. I have my fingers crossed.

Would you have given more time to Moyes and LVG? If anything both should have been sacked far sooner than they were.

And the financial hit of sacking Mourinho is quite considerable. If the £12m is to believed that is about 25% of the net profit earnt last season. But that is down to the incompetence of Woodward giving long contracts to managers with no reasoning other than this nonsense that we are not a sacking club. Its quite easy not to sack a manager when you have one that was consistently finishing near the top for 25 years.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Mourinho had two years of doing what the hell he wanted. He provides us with no EPL title and crap football. The guy over the road got the same backing and brought a title and good football. I fail to see how this is Ed’s problem. Thank god he never brought more players. We’d be spending two years trying to get rid of them. No more Matic’s thanks.

Hardly ‘the same’ backing. Pep has spent at least £100m more and has been able to to turnover the squad far quicker.

I admit that some of that is down to cheaper signings but buying a new goalkeeper and defenders is a lot cheaper than replacing attackers. Well it certainly was 2 years ago.

 

[Amir]

All this talk of players downing tools and players 'not caring' are just narratives Jose and people are inventing to divert attention from the real problem. Is there any player you can point out with 100% certainty that has downed tools? They're all trying, including the much attacked Pogba when they're out there. They're doing their best and the same thing they've been doing since Jose's tenure, its just not working. People are just viciously attacking the players just to excuse Jose's ineptitude. Sure some of them are not good enough and need to be shipped out, but that is no excuse for the rubbish we've been served for the past two seasons

Mourinho's great success in recent months has been to instill in some the belief that the players or Woodward are the cause for our difficulties rather than the basic reality: The manager has been doing a crap job.

 

[JK-27]

Mourinho had two years of doing what the hell he wanted. He provides us with no EPL title and crap football. The guy over the road got the same backing and brought a title and good football. I fail to see how this is Ed’s problem. Thank god he never brought more players. We’d be spending two years trying to get rid of them. No more Matic’s thanks.

Not quite as plain as you point out. Pep took over a squad with far better players than ours, who were more successful than us in the seasons prior, but he didn't do well in his first season, then did great last year winning the Prem, but not so great in the CL. And, as pointed by Josep, has also spent more money.

In two years we won the League Cup, Europa League, 2nd in the Prem, runners up in the FA Cup. It was progress. Then over the summer the board decide we don't need to improve anymore? City won the Prem with ease and still spent £65 million on Mahrez in the summer.

And again, Liverpool and Spurs have spent money and play attractive football but won nothing. Our boring football has been more successful than their attractive football.

As for failing to see how this is Ed's problem - who ultimately appointed Moyes, LVG, and Mourinho as our managers? Who is the guy responsible for picking what fans on here consider to be boring dinosaurs of football management and a waste of space?

 

[Woziak]

I was about to say the same.
It's almost as if he has travelled to the future and brought back information of what is taking place.

How much did Varane cost?
And did Phil Jones leave on a free or did someone pay for him? And better still, if someone did pay for him, which club did?

If you look at previous posts on multiple threads I've been consistent with Zidane but with the caveat if the club is lucky enough to recruit him. Why would he currently join us other than for a big fat pay cheque plus most United fans don't even want him because they think he's not all that and he's tactically inept but one thing that he has proved as a player and a Manager is that he is most definitely is 'A Leader of Men'. Something we currently don't have anywhere in the main squad, maybe N Butt in the youth set up but nothing in our first team squad!

Our best chance of signing a world class CB like Varane is through Zidane, as for Phil Jones which United fan on this thread or any other would seriously like to keep him.

Does it matter what club and how much we do or do not get for him, he simply needs to leave the club and restart his career at Burnley, Palace, Watford or any team like that, he's probably not good enough for Leicester, Wolves, West Ham or Everton !!!

And Boys, sarcasm is great in small measures but after a while it just shows the poster up for being a condescending Narcissist!

Highly similar to our current Manager.

 

[Mainoldo]

Not quite as plain as you point out. Pep took over a squad with far better players than ours, who were more successful than us in the seasons prior, but he didn't do well in his first season, then did great last year winning the Prem, but not so great in the CL. And, as pointed by Josep, has also spent more money.

In two years we won the League Cup, Europa League, 2nd in the Prem, runners up in the FA Cup. It was progress. Then over the summer the board decide we don't need to improve anymore? City won the Prem with ease and still spent £65 million on Mahrez in the summer.

And again, Liverpool and Spurs have spent money and play attractive football but won nothing. Our boring football has been more successful than their attractive football.

As for failing to see how this is Ed's problem - who ultimately appointed Moyes, LVG, and Mourinho as our managers? Who is the guy responsible for picking what fans on here consider to be boring dinosaurs of football management and a waste of space?

I’m kind of fed up of repeating myself. The squad he took over finished joint on goal difference with us. They went 2 years without winning a title a year less than when we won it. So I’ll go on a limb and say adding Zlatan, Pogba and Mhikityaran on paper put us equal to them considering the crap Pep signed in his first season. Add if we never downtoolsed trying to win the Europa, City would have finished 5th-6th.

You say they spent money like we didn’t sign anyone over the summer. We signed a Midfielder they wanted whilst there second choice went the Chelsea. We also signed Sanchez who was first choice to Mahrez for them in January. It’s all excuses with Mourinho’s failings and I’m sick of it. End of the day he’s failed here, no excuses; he’s had time, money and no interference to get this job right and to be quite honest if Pep wasn’t here, he probably would have got us the league with this team he says are rubbish and he would have calapsed like it is now, like it always does for him.

 

[Amir]

Everything Jose said preseason about it being a difficult season, especially if we didn't get in a new defender, has been proved true. He's not lied to fans. He tells the truth, but some people don't want to hear it.

It's called getting your excuses in early. Honestly, what would a centerhalf truly add when out attack is so clueless?

It's a difficult season because the manager has been doing a bad job.

 

[RonaldoVII]

It's called getting your excuses in early. Honestly, what would a centerhalf truly add when out attack is so clueless?

It's a difficult season because the manager has been doing a bad job.

It's definitely a factor though. I'm sure Jose wanted more than just a new CB too.

 

[PoTMS]

When will he be sacked? How many more defeats and poor results? How bad does it have to get? Surely we're pretty close to rock bottom now.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

End of the day he’s failed here, no excuses; he’s had time, money and no interference to get this job right and to be quite honest if Pep wasn’t here, he probably would have got us the league with this team he says are rubbish and he would have calapsed like it is now, like it always does for him.

Funny that, innit? That tally would have won the league on several occasions in the premier league era, yet Mou has convinced everyone that over night this squad is shite as justication for his shit on a stick football. Which leads me on to...

It's called getting your excuses in early. Honestly, what would a centerhalf truly add when out attack is so clueless?

It's a difficult season because the manager has been doing a bad job.

This. I posted on here back when we are 4 mill FC for a short period, with regards to how incoherent our football looked even during that little purple patch. Against poor teams mind you. So how people think a CB would have suddenly made us a great team is beyond me. We can't even park the fecking bus right anymore - that's Mourinho's forte !!

 

[endless_wheelies]

That's just impossible to do. There is a reason why no club ever forces players to get behind a manager they don't believe in, feel free to provide examples to the contrary. That reason is we are talking about a profession where the supply is simply not big enough or cheap enough for any big club to treat them like the military. If you work at a grocery shop, you're expendable because there are millions who can the same job as you, maybe even cheaper. That is why certain industries can afford to treat their employees the way you suggest and others don't.

If they make a clear statement of backing Mourinho over the players what choice do they have? Why did players never rebel against SAF?... because he was such a lovely man?

 

[Ether]

If the Glazers are waiting for Mourinho to arrest the decline, they're going to be disappointed. He just can't do it. The best we can hope for is that this season descend into complete farce.

Jose doesn't have the conciliatory tone you need to keep things together when the team is struggling. Look at Liverpool last season. No one talks about the run of form they had in September & October where they won 2 games in 10 in all competitions, because Klopp staved off the negativity around the club by keeping faith in his squad and backing them in the press. Because of that, they were able to pick up their performances and have a decent enough season. Compare that to Jose who lashes out at everyone around him when things get tough.

 

[Le Red]

This "no better options available" is a great offence to coaches all around the globe. I'm sure there are dozens of coaches who would dream of training Manchester United who can do much better than him.
Some people can only look at past trophies and they probably think they can count good coaches in their hands.

 

[VJ1762]

You know what, for anyone here on the Cafe still Jose in, I am just going to leave this clip I found at reddit.

Look at the forward passing, the movement , the aggression. Compare it with the shit that is being served at our beloved football club today. We still have time to salvage this season by appointing a new manager ( like Klopp at liverpool after they sacked Brendan) and I hope Ed woodward has the balls to make the decision. We would be losing a lot more than 25 million pounds if this guy is our manager till the end of this season.

If anyone is still Jose in after watching this clip, please explain how you think he is going to fix things. Honestly if you ask me, he is a lost cause.

 

[Jojo <3 Mou]

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[Fracture90]

Would probably cause more arguments, who knows.

Name shaming?

 

[Bob H from Manchester]

I know that there are ructions going on but I'm more minded towards stability than towards anarchy. That's why I say give the bloke a chance to pull things round - I mean, why sack him and then still pay his wages (which is what we'll do, if we do) if we don't have a replacement ready? It may make some fans feel good but it wouldn't serve the club well would it?
There's also the issue of player power - if they get the notion that they run the show then we're goosed as football club.
The knee jerk reaction feels very natural but the considered approach may bring best results eh?

I'm one of the few left in the "give him a chance" club but I'm here because he's a much better option than a rudderless ship and a million times better than having Pogba being seen to dictate club policy.

 

[Woziak]

How some of you still back him is an enigma to me. We are 5 points behind Arsenal in the league it's an absolute disgrace. How can you back him after he makes utterly moronic decisions like playing Herrera and Mctominay at CB. Last night was shambolic as well, champions league night at old trafford and we can't even score a single goal against a piss poor team. We have 3 losses in 7 games and we still have to play City, Liverpool, Chelsea home and away. If we keep him for the rest of the season we are heading towards a 10th place finish mark my words he will drag the club down to the abyss.

I think if you look at the poll on Jose in or out, nearly 75% of the fans on that thread now want Jose sacked sooner rather than later, it's just with the Glaziers and Woodward at the helm they will most definitely drag their feet and the problem as you so eloquently put will only get worse and even 10th may beyond us with Jose managing the club for the rest of theseason.

• Last year in our first 10 games all competitions P10 W8 D1 L1 GS 29 GC6
• The year before in Jose First season P10 W7 D0 L3 GS18 GC10
• This year in P10 W4 D3 L3 GS15 GC14

So over three years Jose starts with a 70% win rate, his teams score an average of 1.8 goals per game and average conceed 1 goal per game, wins the community shield and safely through to 4th round of Carabo cup in his first season.

Year 2 he starts with a bang, causing all the fickle United fans to think we are back serenading Jose as the special one. He has a 80% win rate, his team are free scoring at 2.9 av per game and the defence looks air tight with only 6 goals conceeded, again safely through to 4th round of Carabo and 6 points out of 6 in the CL, we become deluded and start dreaming of PL or dare I say it CL. The real reason for the up turn in form is Jose wants a new contract and uses PSG as stick to beat Ed Woodward with!

Year 3 Jose Meltdown starts pre season with his moaning about his squad and Transfer inactivity for an Elite CB. Most fans agree with him but we do not agree with his constant criticism of young and star players. He clearly wants the sack and a £24M payoff because he's setting up his teams in the strangest of ways, almost as if he's been a fraud all his career. So we now have a pathetic win rate of 40%, We average our worst goals scored per game at 1.5 and our defence has detoriated to such a level that we conceed an average of 1.4 goals per game, even when we park the bus at most home games. We are also averaging 1.71 goals conceeded in the premier league after 7 games which over a 38 game season would mean this United team would conceed 65 goals. Just let that sink in for one moment! Plus of course we have been eliminated by a championship team in the 3rd round of the Carabo cup!

It's clear for all to see that this United side under Jose current inept leadership in all areas of the game is in dramatic decline and if Ed Woodward or the Glaziers could be bothered to look at the stats, they would have pulled the trigger after West Ham!