So let's talk about Eddie Howe....

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Put a young pep or Mourinho on the current Bournemouth team they'd win a cup or probably finish higher than howe.

People forget that Klopp and jose has been there done that with smaller club (mainz and leira?).
What a load of rubbish.

It's becoming farcical on here how people bang on about trophies as if one shiny pot at the end of a 9 month long season determines success or failure.

Maybe it's big club arrogance that you think it's easy to win a cup. Maybe it's big club arrogance that you can't tell success is relative to different factors. If trophies were all that counted people just support the same few clubs. I bet you're on of those guys who say Poch should have won a cup and Klopp should have won a cup and now Howe should have won a cup. There's only two domestic cups on offer so they all can't win. Jose didn't win a cup last season either. If Bournemouth's players are better fits for Mourinho why didn't he buy them? Why did no one on RedCafe include their players in transfer wishlists all summer?

Nobody thought that and saying it now is just a way to downplay Howe.

It's like a personal affront these days when another manager gets praise.

Eddie Howe is arguably the best manager pound for pound. He has done an outstanding job taking Bournemouth from the brink in League One to an established Premier League clubs. Developing young talent and turning journeyman lower league players into Premier League quality.

You complain that Pep only takes easy jobs so it invalidates him yet also say he would have done better at Bournemouth. It's almost like cherry picking a different side for different arguments.

And no, this comparison of Moyes to every up and coming manager at a smaller club has to stop at some point. Moyes was very good with Everton. He's not been good since. He's not reflective of the other guys - judge them on their own merits, not David Moyes's.
 

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What a load of rubbish.

It's becoming farcical on here how people bang on about trophies as if one shiny pot at the end of a 9 month long season determines success or failure.

Maybe it's big club arrogance that you think it's easy to win a cup. Maybe it's big club arrogance that you can't tell success is relative to different factors. If trophies were all that counted people just support the same few clubs. I bet you're on of those guys who say Poch should have won a cup and Klopp should have won a cup and now Howe should have won a cup. There's only two domestic cups on offer so they all can't win. Jose didn't win a cup last season either.

Eddie Howe is arguably the best manager pound for pound. He has done an outstanding job taking Bournemouth from the brink in League One to an established Premier League clubs. Developing young talent and turning journeyman lower league players into Premier League quality.

You complain that Pep only takes easy jobs so it invalidates him yet also say he would have done better at Bournemouth. It's almost like cherry picking a different side for different arguments.

And no, this comparison of Moyes to every up and coming manager at a smaller club has to stop at some point. Moyes was very good with Everton. He's not been good since. He's not reflective of the other guys - judge them on their own merits, not David Moyes's.
Where have i said pep has an easy job. On the contrary pep jose klopp etc are exactly doing what howe has done. They just had the virtue of doing it 10 years ago. That is starting at the smaller club and work their way up.

It's insulting to think that managers that has been there done that can't do what howe has done as if it's not been done before.
 

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It's impossible to know how he'd do until he is in a role where he can buy and play better players all whilst meeting higher expectations. I'd like to see a big club take a punt on him, but not sure I'd want it to be us. Writing him off with absolute certainty is a bit shortsighted. How are young managers supposed to get a chance if it is constantly assumed that they are merely at their level already?

What we do know is is that they play very good football, every player wants to get a foot on the ball and play it, and a number of those players have come with him from the championship and league 1/2. Not the most gifted players that are being coached to have confidence to receive and play the ball under pressure, even against the top sides.

We can compare him to Moyes as being an unproven but relatively highly regarded manager at his current level (Moyes was pre-United anyway) but we've also brought in two proven winners in Van Gaal and Mourinho and that has only been marginally better overall and with plenty of negatives. If any of our players were to think playing for Eddie Howe is a "joke", they should think about how for large chunks of the game his team has them all chasing shadows whilst we lumped it long.

I'd like to see him take that next step to a top 6 club, but I highly doubt Bournemouth fans would agree.
 

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Where have i said pep has an easy job. On the contrary pep jose Klopp etc are exactly doing what howe has done. They just had the virtue of doing it 10 years ago. That is starting at the smaller club and work their way up.

It's insulting to think that managers that has been there done that can't do what howe has done as if it's not been done before.
Pep at Barcelona B and Jose one year at Leira (having been a manager at Benfica first)?

Klopp did a fine job at Mainz initially building them up but he got them relegated. Bar last season Howe has improved Bournemouth year on year. Howe may never reach anything close to the heights those three have, but he has done more to deserve a shot than those three did at the respective points in their career when they got big jobs.
 

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Something to think about as well, is Howe's approach at Bournemouth may not be his approach at a big club.

Nobody expects Bournemouth to pick up points against big teams - therefore, Howe has nothing whatsoever to lose by playing attacking football against the big boys, and let the chips fall as they may. Dust off, onto the next game. At United, any dropped points against our big rivals would have the vultures circling and you better believe that sort of thing weighs heavily on the minds of managers at this level.

On the flipside, the smaller teams go at Bournemouth coz they see them as beatable - lots of space to attack. How would Howe fare going up against a team that have put 11 men behind the ball, parked the bus and hoped for a 0-0 draw? Because he hasn't come up against that yet.

It's not as a simple as "Howe plays attacking football > we want attacking football > Howe would give us what we want > sign Howe".
 

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Maybe pep, jose and Klopp. And see where they've been before they got the top job and what they have achieved.
Yeah I have checked their cvs thanks.

You're saying pep or José or klopp would have won trophies with this Bournemouth side. With that, you referenced their work at their own previously small clubs.

The evidence of this.... Is what exactly? Klopp taking over mainz, a club in the second division, promoting them and then winning ... 0 trophies? Mourinho, taking over benéfica actually as his first job but we can ignore it. Leiria, who were in the top division at the time and winning... 0 trophies? Or pep, who won the third division as his only trophy before jumping straight up to the main Barcelona team?

Howe has taken a team, from the fourth division to the top league, made them look not out of place at all despite consistently one of the lowest wage bills in the league. Also won the championship as well.

So can you explain to me how their achievements were so much more impressive than howes have been so far when they were at smaller clubs?
 

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Something to think about as well, is Howe's approach at Bournemouth may not be his approach at a big club.

Nobody expects Bournemouth to pick up points against big teams - therefore, Howe has nothing whatsoever to lose by playing attacking football against the big boys, and let the chips fall as they may. Dust off, onto the next game. At United, any dropped points against our big rivals would have the vultures circling and you better believe that sort of thing weighs heavily on the minds of managers at this level.

On the flipside, the smaller teams go at Bournemouth coz they see them as beatable - lots of space to attack. How would Howe fare going up against a team that have put 11 men behind the ball, parked the bus and hoped for a 0-0 draw? Because he hasn't come up against that yet.

It's not as a simple as "Howe plays attacking football > we want attacking football > Howe would give us what we want > sign Howe".
A much more reasonable analysis and very true. The reality is that nobody had any idea how any manager will do when at another club until they go and certain managers will work better at certain clubs, under certain circumstances etc.
 

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Laudrup won a cup with Swansea. How did that work out for him?
 

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Laudrup won a cup with Swansea. How did that work out for him?
I'd bring him in. Maybe in a dream team with Di Matteo, Ramos, Mcleish and Redknapp. Good spread of trophies there.
 

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Mourinho, taking over benéfica actually as his first job but we can ignore it. Leiria, who were in the top division at the time and winning... 0 trophies?
There weren't any half season trophies in Portugal. He only coached leiria for half a season and went to Porto in january
 

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There weren't any half season trophies in Portugal. He only coached leiria for half a season and went to Porto in january
Even more perfect then. So Mourinho had half a season at a smaller club before being given a big job (and hadn't won anything before getting that big job), Pep had one season at the b team and won the third division and Klopp had many seasons at one club, got them promoted one division, did a great job in the bundesliga in fairness to him... But ultimately got relegated, failed to get repromoted... And won nothing.

Yet the argument was that Howe has a lot to show before he is given a chance, like those three managers had to show so much before getting their big chance?
 

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Jose didn't last long at Leiria because he got them playing better and higher in the table like never before in their history and so early in his career. It wasn't a typical small team style either, it was a progressive and well played football. Eddie Howe can surely be a great manager for top teams but it's difficult to predict because Bournemouth really doesn't play like a big team or even tries to. And don't forget it's much easier to have space to counter-attack as a small team as your deeper defending and adventurous opponents create it for you.
 

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I can see Spurs or Arsenal being his next step in a couple of years. He's only 40 so there's no rush.

A move to someone like Newcastle or West Ham would be a disaster given their owners.
 

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Pep at Barcelona B and Jose one year at Leira (having been a manager at Benfica first)?

Klopp did a fine job at Mainz initially building them up but he got them relegated. Bar last season Howe has improved Bournemouth year on year. Howe may never reach anything close to the heights those three have, but he has done more to deserve a shot than those three did at the respective points in their career when they got big jobs.
He's done a great job. He deserve the next step up. Not the ultimate step up.
 

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Put a young pep or Mourinho on the current Bournemouth team they'd win a cup or probably finish higher than howe.

People forget that Klopp and jose has been there done that with smaller club (mainz and leira?).
Didn't Klopp get relegated with Mainz in the early days? He's taken Bournemouth all the way up from league 2 let's not forget in less than ten years.

One area he can certainly improve is taking cups more seriously. They're in quarters of league cup but Chelsea is very tough draw, arguably the worst they could get. Hopefully he'll play his full strength team in the FA cup and have a real go at that.
 

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You do realise that Jose is one of the most decorated managers over the last 15-20 years?
Most managers would do well to win even 25% of Jose's trophies.
Stopped winning the big ones though. One league title since 2011 and no CLs since 2010 despite competiting in that tournament pretty much ever year since.

Domestic cup he last won was something he'd deride Wenger for winning.
 

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Laudrup won a cup with Swansea. How did that work out for him?
Didn't he also have Swansea playing some really good football?

People live in this dream world where they constantly bang on about the massive mistake we made in hiring Moyes yet advocate the possible appointment of Howe. No thank you. We went down that route once and has almost led to the destruction of the work done by Sir Alex. This job is quite obviously different to any other and many have failed in their quest to taking us back to the top - some of those who have tried have been regarded, at some point in their careers, as the best around. Besides, if Howe failed, most of this place would want his head on a platter within months.
 

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Didn't Klopp get relegated with Mainz in the early days? He's taken Bournemouth all the way up from league 2 let's not forget in less than ten years.

One area he can certainly improve is taking cups more seriously. They're in quarters of League Cup but Chelsea is very tough draw, arguably the worst they could get. Hopefully he'll play his full strength team in the FA Cup and have a real go at that.
He's not united material yet, or chelsea, or city, or madrid or any other top club.

He might be successful if somehow he's given the chance now but that'll be an anomaly.

People really underestimate being a manager at a top club these days any jack and joe that display some flair and exciting football is suddenly a united manager material
 

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Eddie Howe has done a fantastic job at Bournemouth. Promotions from League 1 and now stability in the Premier League, whilst playing decent football is a real challenge he's excelled at.

I don't know about you though, but people saying that they would be happy to see him at United after Jose, part of me doesn't agree with it.

I dont know exactly what it is, maybe the lack of European experience, maybe the fact he would be out of his comfort zone as Bournemouth is HIS club. He runs that place top to bottom. If he was to come here, it would feel straight away like the Moyes era all over again. We know how that one ended...
 

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He's not united material yet, or Chelsea, or city, or Madrid or any other top club.

He might be successful if somehow he's given the chance now but that'll be an anomaly.

People really underestimate being a manager at a top club these days any jack and joe that display some flair and exciting football is suddenly a united manager material
You say that but top clubs abroad are much more willing to give managers from lower down the chain a job instead of going for the latest designer manager from abroad.

Conte had managed Bari and Atalanta before he got Juve gig (did help he was a famous ex player of course). Inter have appointed loads of managers in recent times from lower down Seria A (many of whom have been flops). Max Allegri had only managed two years at Cagliari before Meelan took a chance on him and he's now one of the best managers in World football.

Germany league speaks for itself, Kovac, Tuchel, Klopp etc.

Similar in Spain when you think Valverde had a solid but unspectacular career as a manager and he gets one of the biggest jobs in World football as did Gerardo Martino.

It only seems to be in England where the desire is to get in a famous manager from abroad rather than trust a home grown option. Might work in the premier league but dosen't make an English club anymore likely to win the CL as we've seen in last 5 years.

Actually if add in Luis Enrique, Zidane and Pep then it seems having a famous career is very important for foreign clubs so that analysis leads me to say the logical next appointment for Man. United is not Eddie Howe........but Ryan Giggs.
 

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Jose didn't last long at Leiria because he got them playing better and higher in the table like never before in their history and so early in his career. It wasn't a typical small team style either, it was a progressive and well played football. Eddie Howe can surely be a great manager for top teams but it's difficult to predict because Bournemouth really doesn't play like a big team or even tries to. And don't forget it's much easier to have space to counter-attack as a small team as your deeper defending and adventurous opponents create it for you.
Not sure if I follow you here, Bournemouth generally look to press their opponents, not sit back and wait for counter-attacks. They spent the majority of the first half pinning us back. Howes' achievements with Bournemouth are very impressive, in 5 years he's taken the club, without substantial transfer spending, from league two to establishing them in the Premier League. Most teams would struggle just to compete in the championship after years in league two, yet they qualify for the Premier League and establish themselves as a team playing attacking football without looking like relegation candidates.

I don't agree with the comparisons with Moyes, that it's a manager being thrown to the wolves. I didn't like Moyes before we hired him and he didn't exactly grow on me as a United manager...My basic point was that Everton was always his level, they were never able to reach that extra level and if Moyes had any major ambitions he would've left them as soon as that became evident. Yet he stayed...I hoped he'd learn things along the way and improve, but in the end he just confirmed my initial fears.

When Jose leaves, and it would hardly be a big surprise if it's after this season (depending on outcome), I am not entirely sure who people see as a natural successor. I'm not a major fan of going for an established big name, it feels like more of a safe choice that will keep the club at a certain level without taking it further, I'd rather happily place my bets with someone like Howe and let him assemble his own squad.
 

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Actually if add in Luis Enrique, Zidane and Pep then it seems having a famous career is very important for foreign clubs so that analysis leads me to say the logical next appointment for Man. United is not Eddie Howe........but Ryan Giggs.
If Ryan Giggs proves himself at Wales, then by all means he should be considered.

But for me, I thought Giggs was a bit too eager to leave the club, and I don't think he's done himself any favors taking over a national team rather than a club.
 

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I admire the guys achievements but I would think the jump from Bournemouth to United would be too big a jump.

If we disregard current contract lengths and whatnots, Poch to United and Howe to replace Poch would be the more sensible move. Both improved the teams they inherited and coached, generally done well in transfer market and playing modern offensive football.
 

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Yeah I have checked their cvs thanks.

You're saying pep or José or Klopp would have won trophies with this Bournemouth side. With that, you referenced their work at their own previously small clubs.

The evidence of this.... Is what exactly? Klopp taking over mainz, a club in the second division, promoting them and then winning ... 0 trophies? Mourinho, taking over benéfica actually as his first job but we can ignore it. Leiria, who were in the top division at the time and winning... 0 trophies? Or pep, who won the third division as his only trophy before jumping straight up to the main Barcelona team?

Howe has taken a team, from the fourth division to the top league, made them look not out of place at all despite consistently one of the lowest wage bills in the league. Also won the championship as well.

So can you explain to me how their achievements were so much more impressive than howes have been so far when they were at smaller clubs?
Excellent post.

But nah, Pep and Jose would have won the WC with Bournemouth. Heck, see how well Mourinho's done for us.
 

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Worth also considering who would be making this decision. To date, Ed has hardly gone for new upstarts, clearly going for the least risky option for manager.

Only good news for folks like me that believe managing evolves and we need to stop relying on 'won x, y years ago' types is that they're kind of going away. The big names like Ancelotti, Hiddink etc appear to be fading.

So when someone at United finally wakes up to Jose needing to go, we'll be forced to take a chance of sorts.
 

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Yeah I have checked their cvs thanks.

You're saying pep or José or Klopp would have won trophies with this Bournemouth side. With that, you referenced their work at their own previously small clubs.

The evidence of this.... Is what exactly? Klopp taking over mainz, a club in the second division, promoting them and then winning ... 0 trophies? Mourinho, taking over benéfica actually as his first job but we can ignore it. Leiria, who were in the top division at the time and winning... 0 trophies? Or pep, who won the third division as his only trophy before jumping straight up to the main Barcelona team?

Howe has taken a team, from the fourth division to the top league, made them look not out of place at all despite consistently one of the lowest wage bills in the league. Also won the championship as well.

So can you explain to me how their achievements were so much more impressive than howes have been so far when they were at smaller clubs?
Excellent post.
 

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Wouldn't be against it but think the club need to start planning for the long term.
Mourinho needs to go in the summer and I do think we'll need to take a risk on the replacement.
Not many more successful than Mourinho and he's been pretty underwhelming.

The issue is, If we do sack Mourinho then I see us bringing in someone like Ancelotti and nothing will change.
Need a DOF, figure out how we want this team to play long term and work towards building it. Hire managers that fit that style.

Easy enough saying the above but it truly isn't easy. I think not only does the team need investment but risks need to be taken and of course, a feck tonne of luck.
I just see us being underwhelming for the next few decades, not coming close to compete at the top.
 
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Since you're on this subject I thought it might be of interest to some to have a fans-eye view of the Eddie Howe years at AFCB pre-Premier League since that will be a mostly closed book to most of you. I'll run through them one-by-one as I get time and it may give you a little more insight into some of the challenges he's faced down the years.

For my first post I'll need to start with a potted history of the club since around the start of the 90s so you can get an idea of who we are. Not the media story, the real us. Don't worry, I'm not offended that you don't know. Why should you? We're so League One it's ridiculous. We've spent most of our history in the third tier, quite possibly more than anyone else, with a few periods in the fourth tier and (pre-Howe) a very brief stint in the second tier when Harry Redknapp was getting the hang of the management business with us. After Harry, and for this I offer my sincere apologies, we gave a managerial chance to one of our midfield hard-man getting him on the way in that career. Yes, we are responsible for Tony Pulis. Sorry, again.

As an aside, Pulis actually did very well considering the players that were sold from under him but fan discontent at his style of football meant he was given the heave-ho. Ever since I've followed the club in the mid-80s we've always tried to pass the ball. Sure, at a League One standard but the intent was there and nobody was happy with the switch to Pulis-ball.

Anyway, post-Redknapp there were huge financial issues (I'm not saying the warning signs were there for others but... well they were) which ultimately left the club on the verge of going out of business come the late 90s. There was no 'white knight' and ultimately the club were only saved by fans chucking in as much money as they could and an administration. Not funded by some consortium of well off local business men. Literally the people on the terraces digging deep into their personal household finances. We ended up labelled at the time as the first community run/owned club in Europe, something which has been copied (in a much better way... lots of mistakes were made) many times since.

Out of immediate financial danger and with a newly strenghened bond with fans the big problem was the stadium was on the verge of being condemned and had to be rebuilt. There was no delaying it, no option it just had to be done. This created a new debt which crippled the club and (skipping over the details) would end up with the fans having to give up their golden share, the stadium being sold on a sale-and-leaseback deal (one reason why it hasn't been expanded since we came up) and a whole cast of characters straight from the lower league football cliche play-book being involved in the club. Unfortunately, one of these forgot to check the VAT situation on the sale and leaseback and suddenly the club were landed with a big unexpected VAT bill and back in a mess financially again. Ultimately and unfortunately administration was the only option.

It's one of those strange things were the administration wasn't brought about by profligate spending on players but just circumstances. A forced stadium rebuild and the debt it created just meant it was a very long domino effect.

At the time we were in League One and managed by Harry's oft-right hand man Kevin Bond. The 10 point penalty that season for going into administration put us right in the relegation mire. I recall the long (from Bournemouth it is very long) train journey away to Carlisle on the last day of the season where, after a remarkable run of form, a win may have kept us up despite the point loss. We drew 0-0 and were relegated to League 2 by the thinnest of margins.

The Football League weren't finished with us. The next season in League 2 we would start on -17 points due to the way we exited administration. The same season Luton started on -30 points for similar reasons. The board decided Bond wasn't the man to turn that situation around and so he left and was replaced by one of our former strikers, Jimmy Quinn, a renowned long ball merchant. The football under his was utterly atrocious and the results weren't much better. Come Christmas we were still deep in trouble so at the turn of the year he was sacked.

With no money, the club offered the job to the cheap option. The only option they could afford, an ex-player that was doing some work with the youth players. I'll be honest, nobody was especially impressed at the time. Step forward Eddie Howe.

In one way it was very smart from the board. He'd been a classy youth team graduate in his playing days even playing for England U21s whilst with us. The only player I can remember doing that during our League One days. Not the biggest but great on the ball. He'd got a big move to Portsmouth but his knee shattered on his debut for them. A gruelling year later he made a comeback but his other knee collapsed on his first appearance back (one reason why I think he has a lot of time for players that suffer serious injuries... it's paid dividends with Callum Wilson). He struggled back again but the injuries meant his dream of making his way up the league was gone, his body couldn't handle it. Portsmouth offered him back to us for about £15k but that kind of money was way beyond our budget. The fans got wind of it though and on a now defunct fans forum pitched in £20s and £50s until we had the money. He came back and was serviceable in League 1 but sadly was half the player he had been. He did a job for us for a while but ended up retiring as a player early at, I think, 30 but with so many fewer appearances than he should have made in his career.

I said above appointing him was a smart move from the board. That was why. He was held in great affection by many AFCB fans and many felt they had contributed to his return to the club. Well, actually, they had.

So that's where we are. A club that had lived through 20 years of being constantly on the edge of financial oblivion, a fan base that had been drawn so close to the club before watching it all fall apart again, sitting adrift at the bottom of League 2 with the people in charge of the league pretty hacked off with the club, a demoralised squad fed up with often not getting paid and a rookie 31 year old now in charge of the team.
 
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I admire the guys achievements but I would think the jump from Bournemouth to United would be too big a jump.

If we disregard current contract lengths and whatnots, Poch to United and Howe to replace Poch would be the more sensible move. Both improved the teams they inherited and coached, generally done well in transfer market and playing modern offensive football.
Sensible for United perhaps, but not for Spurs and probably not for Pochettino.
 
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Season 2008/09 (Howe appointed 1st January 2009)

It was a fairly inauspicious start to his managerial career with the first couple of results not brilliant but despite having no money to spend his transfer dealings were smart in the extreme.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but there were definitely some raised eyebrows when he tried to get club legend Steve Fletcher to come re-join the club. A classic old-school centre forward who looks like he subsists on cow pie, he knew how to rough up a defence but was never exactly prolific. Having been released by the club two seasons prior as no longer having what it takes to compete at our level he was now plying his trade at then non-league Crawley Town. A legend for us yes, but two years after being deemed past it somehow it felt like an odd move. It was so right though. It galvanised everyone. He had that run through a brick wall mentality to him and the other squad players fed off that. Exactly what was needed to lift the mood around the team and, even all these years later, our thanks to the then Crawley manager Steve Evans for letting him come back for free.

To this he added some other non-league players. Liam Feeney was 22 and playing for Salisbury but had never really made a step up to league football. Your typical rough diamond. Mark Molesley came in from non-league Grays Athletic on a free and Anton Robinson from Weymouth also a free. There may have been others but these are the ones that I recall for now. Since our scouting department was all but non-existent I’m still not sure how they all got identified but time would show it was some outstanding business. They all contributed massively to various results that season.

Despite now having a big lump up front (Fletcher) in, at that stage, a fairly classical 4-4-2 the team still tried to knock it about when they could. Right around the bottom of League 2 and facing extinction if the club were relegated (the realities weren’t hidden, everyone knew it) he still tried to get us to pass the ball. One reason why I laugh at anyone who says he only plays passing football because we’re a mid-table PL side with no real pressure of relegation. He was trying to get us to do it in a scenario of a genuine fight for survival of the whole club with players of L2 standard. That takes balls.

It wasn’t a glorious march to survival but we picked up results and looked a different team to who we had been. Ultimately the man with the mobility of a wardrobe, the aforementioned Steve Fletcher, scored the goal to keep us up in the last home game of the season.

There were signs that Howe maybe had something about him that we hadn’t seen before in a Bournemouth manager before but plenty of managers have taken teams on a good run for 6-12 months only for it and their career to tail off. It was the next season that really showed us what he was about and just how good he might be.
 
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Season 2009/10 (Howe appointed 1st January 2009)

It was a fairly inauspicious start to his managerial career with the first couple of results not brilliant but despite having no money to spend his transfer dealings were smart in the extreme.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but there were definitely some raised eyebrows when he tried to get club legend Steve Fletcher to come re-join the club. A classic old-school centre forward who looks like he subsists on cow pie, he knew how to rough up a defence but was never exactly prolific. Having been released by the club two seasons prior as no longer having what it takes to compete at our level he was now plying his trade at then non-league Crawley Town. A legend for us yes, but two years after being deemed past it somehow it felt like an odd move. It was so right though. It galvanised everyone. He had that run through a brick wall mentality to him and the other squad players fed off that. Exactly what was needed to lift the mood around the team and, even all these years later, our thanks to the then Crawley manager Steve Evans for letting him come back for free.

To this he added some other non-league players. Liam Feeney was 22 and playing for Salisbury but had never really made a step up to league football. Your typical rough diamond. Mark Molesley came in from non-league Grays Athletic on a free and Anton Robinson from Weymouth also a free. There may have been others but these are the ones that I recall for now. Since our scouting department was all but non-existent I’m still not sure how they all got identified but time would show it was some outstanding business. They all contributed massively to various results that season.

Despite now having a big lump up front (Fletcher) in, at that stage, a fairly classical 4-4-2 the team still tried to knock it about when they could. Right around the bottom of League 2 and facing extinction if the club were relegated (the realities weren’t hidden, everyone knew it) he still tried to get us to pass the ball. One reason why I laugh at anyone who says he only plays passing football because we’re a mid-table PL side with no real pressure of relegation. He was trying to get us to do it in a scenario of a genuine fight for survival of the whole club with players of L2 standard. That takes balls.

It wasn’t a glorious march to survival but we picked up results and looked a different team to who we had been. Ultimately the man with the mobility of a wardrobe, the aforementioned Steve Fletcher, scored the goal to keep us up in the last home game of the season.

There were signs that Howe maybe had something about him that we hadn’t seen before in a Bournemouth manager before but plenty of managers have taken teams on a good run for 6-12 months only for it and their career to tail off. It was the next season that really showed us what he was about and just how good he might be.
Really enjoying this read, thanks :)
 
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Season 2009/10

I mentioned before that we weren’t the favourites of the powers that be at the Football League at this time. Having been relegated by the 10 point deduction two seasons prior then hit with the almost enough to send us down -17 the prior season (sadly, -30 was too much for Luton and they had succumbed to one of the relegation spots) a third season of punishment was enacted. A transfer embargo was imposed.

Not one of the ones you read about some clubs have had in the Championship lately where they can still sign players. This was absolute. We had a squad of 20 players and we were told nobody else could come in that season. As three of them were keepers of which one was a very young one a request was put in that if we released the third keeper could we sign another player instead. Word came back from the Football League that as long as there was no fee involved and the wages were appropriate that would be ok. We released the keeper then the FL changed their mind and said we couldn’t sign a replacement. So now we had a squad of 19 players.

The player that we had wanted to sign who had spent pre-season with us? Charlie Austin, then of Poole Town now of Southampton. Another brilliant spot from Howe but as he couldn’t come to us he went to Swindon Town instead where he banged them in (side-note, when Howe went to Burnley he signed Austin from Swindon so he got his man in the end!).

Meanwhile Howe’s half-brother Steve Lovell, a former youth team graduate who had carved out a respectible career as a striker in Scottish football but was coming back from an injury layoff, offered to help out his family member by playing for us on amateur terms. No signing on fee, no salary, nothing. The FL also said no to this. It wasn’t just that they didn’t want us to spend money, they didn’t want us to have any more players and that was that.

The embargo was water-tight. A quite odd coincidence that as they were so focused on ensuring we didn’t sign anyone since this was the season that fellow League 2 club Notts County appointed Sven Goran Eriksson as their Director of Football, signed Sol Campbell, Kasper Schmeichel and Lee Hughes amongst others. Strange times.

This left Howe with some serious challenges as the squad was imbalanced and he’d only been able to start to address that in the January but at the time he hadn’t really worked with the players as a coach so didn’t know what he had.

I’ll say it now. Forget everything that has gone since. This season is Howe’s greatest managerial achievement. I almost can’t find the words to describe some of the things I saw that season.

It’s fair to say our 19 man squad was soon injury ravaged at times. For example, here’s a link to a match report where we couldn’t even fill the bench:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_div_3/8328197.stm

Even then, many of the players that turned out for us were playing through injuries that they shouldn’t have done. The heyday day of the utility player was the 80s but in this season necessity was the mother of invention for us and Howe. I recall looking at the players line up and at least four of the players were starting in positions that were in no way natural to them. I don’t mean like how sometimes in the Premier League we’ll move King from striker to the wing tactically during a match. I mean, for example, central midfielder Anton Robinson starting as a right back where, as far as I know, he had never played before. Totally out of position.

Yet, we were still playing an attacking game. Trying to score goals and win games even with the most makeshift of line-ups. Trying to pass the ball and play the ‘right way’ if you believe there is such a thing.

Some of the forward play was ridiculous compared to what we were used to watching. An absolute joy to behold. The formation was still a 4-4-2 but you could start to see he was already evolving it with the movement around the pitch from the players far more intelligent than anything I can recall seeing before. Again, that may seem like a hindsight affirmation but I distinctly remember from that season a quote from the fan that wrote most of the forum match reports which, to paraphrase, went something like this “That was an attacking display the like of which I don’t know when I’ve seen last. Enjoy these days as Howe is going places where we won’t. He’s destined for the Premier League so we should just make the most of his time here whilst we can as we’ll remember these days for years to come”. He was almost right…

The fight for promotion and the title was truly on between us, Notts County and Rochdale but County ended up taking it only for the Middle East money to turn out to be a sham. We came second and Rochdale third.

I can’t describe the exhilaration I felt watching that season and at the promotion. Even the previous years achievement was celebrating survival rather than celebrating success in the classic sense. Sean O’Driscoll had taken us up from League 2 a number of years prior but only because the previous season he somehow got a squad relegated that should never have gone down. After years of doom and gloom and despite the best efforts of the Football League we could genuinely celebrate and all at the hands of a man with whom the fans had a special bond. It couldn’t get any better than that, right?

There were times that season when it looked like we couldn’t put a team out so there were a couple of instances when the FL relented and let us have a short term loan. However, the reality is injured players played when they shouldn’t have because we had no choice. I believe the career of Mark Moseley was ruined by the FL’s intractability that year. He played with niggles and ended up with one injury leading into another and another and… well you know how those careers go. He’s definitely a player that should have enjoyed a solid League 1 career at least and missed out as a result. He was aggressive and skillful, things which don’t often go hand-in-hand in a player at that level. He’s now on our coaching staff though – Howe doesn’t forget people that make a contribution – and he is apparently a very highly rated member of the staff.

Saving us the previous season Howe had picked up some headlines, not least because at the time he was the youngest manager in the league and looked even younger, but this season people really started to take note. The way he had moulded this small squad into a winning unit that attacked with such verve, passed the ball in League 2 and taken us up was something special. There are likely plenty of articles out there if you want to search some of the coverage he got. I do recall it felt like a novelty to be reading positive stories about something related to my football club!

That season the League 2 Manager of the Season went to Rochdale manager Keith Hill for getting them promoted out of the division after spending 41 years in it. For me, that was a sentimental choice and I’m still in complete awe at what Howe achieved that year. As I said before, for me it’s his greatest managerial accomplishment and I’m not sure he’ll ever be able to beat it.

I'm afraid 2010/11 and beyond will have to wait until later in the week.
 
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One important addendum to the 2009/10season: This is something we didn't know at the time but came out later. Howe and Tindally dipped into their own personal savings to hire a conditioning coach for our preseason that year. These weren't millionaire ex-footballers that had made a lot of money from the game. One was a promising youngster with a career ruined by injury and the other a lower league footballer all the way. Both with young families to support and with little in the way of job security given the nature of football and the perilous state of our club. I'm not sure I can find the right word to describe how I view that. I think the closest I can come is 'integrity'. They decided if they were going to do the job they were going to do it to the best of their ability and that meant they had to fork out some of their own cash to deliver on that. Very special.
 

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Shit enough record v the big teams at home at least

Really blew that game yesterday United were very dominant from the equalizer on imo

Overall good may need to be tested at a spurs Everton level club first or he could just end up being a more presentable David moyes

Lots of good signs tho
 

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Hmm, sounds like Howe have strong affection with the club. Doubt he's going to make the jump if United offers him the job unless if Bournemouth may be given huge financial compensation for it. He did superb job with Bournemouth and if they keep their top form of this early season half, for the next half, they may even get their best highest end position. Before this, they always climb up to the next leagues with him, and at the now top league -- hang around finished at the middle of the table.

Don't care about the winning trophies and cup "certainty".
I'm still not convinced if he can do the job at United. Doubt whether he can manage top egos, plenty of that kind of players in top clubs. The pressure to perform at United to get results is also huge, as we know it. Can he direct our ego players to listen, follow and play his way? Need strong character for that. Tbf, I don't know how he is. Also, will he able to turn United into the similar impressive attacking style he did with Bournemouth? It's a different environment, different level of pressure and expectations from the club and fans, different resources, basically a different game altogether.

The comparison with Moyes is fair -- he build his Everton into this strong fighting squad, doesn't hide even in big games. Many players improved under him and get into international team. Also did good work with the youth there. Iirc that latter aspect SAF mentioned about it when he's chosen. Came to United, tried hard to impress but get himself drowned in the different environment, top ego of the team and club pressure. Moyes is much more comfortable with the Everton environment. Anyway, Howe seems to be most comfortable with the Bournemouth environment. Apparently he did managed Burnley before in between his current club - did okay job with them, nothing impressive.

Every manager appointed is always a risk of course.

Love to be proven wrong, but I just don't see how it's a good gamble choosing him as the next manager. Don't mind if we try but what happens during his reign can be costly, if he don't adapt to the new different environment and rise to the new big challenges quickly.
--> I mean, we know what happens during Moyes era right? or even LVG and Mou? First summer transfer is so slow and no plan in Jan -- key players are not being replaced sooner. Rooney stick in the starting 11 for far too long and the big contract. Fellaini came in and our trio managers rely on him for far too much - change the whole football style. Crossing -> Sleeping -> Defensive Footballs. Kroos is confirmed with Moyes, then LVG said no. Reports of players "falling out" with Moyes and LVG. Etc.

Safer gamble is Pochettino, whom with Spurs have developed good top reputations with his great works. Top ego players are more likely to listen to Manager with top reputations. The only downside is again trophies. I think that's the furthest he can bring Spurs -- brought them to higher level, always come close to winning but lose it at the end, United have better resources for him to retain players and to get better quality players. His previous management clubs -- not bad, kept the two previous clubs at the right final positions in accordance to the club level respectively and improved Southampton, Spurs have better squad and resources than those two clubs.
 
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One important addendum to the 2009/10season: This is something we didn't know at the time but came out later. Howe and Tindally dipped into their own personal savings to hire a conditioning coach for our preseason that year. These weren't millionaire ex-footballers that had made a lot of money from the game. One was a promising youngster with a career ruined by injury and the other a lower league footballer all the way. Both with young families to support and with little in the way of job security given the nature of football and the perilous state of our club. I'm not sure I can find the right word to describe how I view that. I think the closest I can come is 'integrity'. They decided if they were going to do the job they were going to do it to the best of their ability and that meant they had to fork out some of their own cash to deliver on that. Very special.
Wow, seriously gave their all for the club.