Agreed, mate. What's more, it can't be easy for Marcus when his manager is constantly acting-up on the sidelines; just adds to the pressure, I imagine.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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At least not SAF.
You have to assume a good 77% of that 28% (which equates to, erm, a high number) are simply oppos on the wind-up.Incredible that 28.5% of the posters on here don't want him to go!
Either that or a corrupt admin has been tampering with the poll results. The fact that the results remain hidden from the public eye serves only to strengthen that claim.
Sad part is he is not going anywhere for this season. We could easily salvage this season by replacing him and rejuvenating the whole team. I am damn sure the likes of Sanchez and fred would be absolutely great to watch under a new manager. We wont be finishing in top 4 this season with Jose and for sure would not win the CL. So sadly next season we are in europa again. Even after knowing this our board is doing nothing and which is why I blame the board for this situation even more. Poor planning all together.
Liam Brady made a good point on RTE. Said Mourinho does not have confidence in the players (look at what he did when Rashford missed) but the players in turn dont have confidence in Mourinho.
Also said in so many ways that we have good players and Mourinho is not getting the best out of them.
Also said in so many ways that we have good players and Mourinho is not getting the best out of them.
He definitely knows better than that pretender Scholes that's for sure,him and Rio don't know what they're talking about and couldn't care less about the club. They need to back the manager publicly or shut the feck up!
Apologies for the poor Jose acolyte impression
I think anyone that still wants him right now, whether it's his fault or not, is fecking ludicrous and probably wants putting in any asylum.
He needs to go. If nothing else then as Mourinho fans, for his sake, if you're one of them.
He's not doing himself any favours still being here, let alone our players, club or us fans.
He needs to go. If nothing else then as Mourinho fans, for his sake, if you're one of them.
He's not doing himself any favours still being here, let alone our players, club or us fans.
I agree with pretty much all of this.
But who do you reckon we could appoint at this stage who could easily salvage the season?
I think you would just hire a caretaker for the rest of the season and then make a pernament hire in the summer.
Wont happen though until we legitimately cannot make the champions league next season. So when we are knocked out in the CL and mathematically out of the top four. Same with what happened with Moyes.
I tried to make this point in the match day and I got lambasted for my trouble.
Rashford had a good game all things considered. Sure he wasted a hatful of chances, misplaced countless passes, made poor decisions in and around the box and fell over his own feet once or twice, but aside from that he was absolutely outstanding.
The front 3 were crap tonight, again. Final ball or chances taken were amateur level. It’s a regular occurrence.
Mourinho is crap and needs to go, but some of the players are too. Rashford should be sent on loan and to be honest, if we got 60mil for martial I wouldn’t be too upset.
Lingard is a squad player.
On the manager, who could we get to take over til the end of the season though?
Also, Shaw needs to start going at his man more, too much stop start from him.
Mourinho is crap and needs to go, but some of the players are too. Rashford should be sent on loan and to be honest, if we got 60mil for martial I wouldn’t be too upset.
Lingard is a squad player.
On the manager, who could we get to take over til the end of the season though?
Also, Shaw needs to start going at his man more, too much stop start from him.
Both Rio & Scholes we’re spot on. It’s all about him, him, him. Football is a team sport, not individual as Scholesy rightly so pointed out.
Sir Alex won 38 trophies in total at this club. He didn’t spend bucket loads of cash every season that Jose done to achieve the success he bangs on about. Sir Alex won trophies galore in the 80s with Aberdeen including an European trophy at the same time which for a Scottish team outside the Old Firm is an absolute remarkable achievement. That for me is a far greater achievement than what Jose ever achieved at Porto, Chelsea, Inter & Real. Did you ever see Sir Alex continuously banging on about his past major successes all the time when we put in a bad performance just to make himself look good?
Can’t stand Mourinho no more. The sooner this sad little obsessed man is away, the better.
Sir Alex won 38 trophies in total at this club. He didn’t spend bucket loads of cash every season that Jose done to achieve the success he bangs on about. Sir Alex won trophies galore in the 80s with Aberdeen including an European trophy at the same time which for a Scottish team outside the Old Firm is an absolute remarkable achievement. That for me is a far greater achievement than what Jose ever achieved at Porto, Chelsea, Inter & Real. Did you ever see Sir Alex continuously banging on about his past major successes all the time when we put in a bad performance just to make himself look good?
Can’t stand Mourinho no more. The sooner this sad little obsessed man is away, the better.
Strange that the players do not have confidence in/support Mourinho given how he talks about them in the media.
Who though?
And he would have improved anyway. The lad has natural talent and a love for the club and a real desire to work hard to improve and better himself. Yes he would have learned from Jose, no doubt, but he would have improved under Moyes if given game time and confidence ffs. Look at all the youngsters who haven't played and improved or been given any time at all.
This is what pisses me off. So many of our youngsters from Januzaj to McTominay to McNair to Pereira and more have all been heralded as the future of United and have a had outstanding reviews after first team appearances yet where are they all now? Yes of course some don't live up to their potential, some don't fit, some.falm by the wayside or maybe weren't ever good enough in the first place but the point is I feel many have been overlooked or not given chances by Jose. LVG for all his faults was looking towards the future with youth.
I've said it before and will say it again. I would have preferred 3 more years of youth development and young signings other than what we have had. We would have been further ahead with more to build on and more to hand over to the next manager. Instead yet again the next manager will have to start all over again.
I could see what LVG was trying to accomlplish. I hated much of our performances and results but i could see his plan. I cant see Jose's. We have wasted 3 years under Jose. Let's not waste anymore.
Getting rid now is the best solution for us going forward. If we leave it too late then it will hamper us badly going into next season.
An even more damning stat. Almost a third of our userbase is only here to enjoy the fall of an old great.
Im still all for Mourinho. The players are simply not good enough. Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Shaw and Bailly are all overrated. None of them would be playing for City or Pool. Yet in here you lot think they are world class. What Mourinho should get stick for is some of his transfers, but so should almost every manager.
Too build a club after the mess we've had takes time. It took City years and years even with all the money they spent. And Liverpool has gone over 30 odd years. They sacked and sacked.
Our fans have become the new liverpool fans.
Give the manager some time, last year we came second, now he should be sacked before christmas?
According to you, we shouldve sacked Fergie in the late 80's.
Too build a club after the mess we've had takes time. It took City years and years even with all the money they spent. And Liverpool has gone over 30 odd years. They sacked and sacked.
Our fans have become the new liverpool fans.
Give the manager some time, last year we came second, now he should be sacked before christmas?
According to you, we shouldve sacked Fergie in the late 80's.
I just posted about that. At least with LVG you could see what he was trying to do. And we usually beat the top teams and always beat the Dippers.
Jose just seems like he wants to turn United it to his Chelsea winning side with no or little trust or faith in youth players. I'd rather we had kept LvG for the last three years tbh. Although his performances were fecking dire at the end. I don't feel Jose has taken us forward at all.
McKenna and Carrick along with Rene Mulensteen could hold the forte for 6 months until Howe or Poch become available. Poch is already moaning about a lack of funds at Spurs through the media and will possibly be ready to jump ship if we offered him the job with a bigger pay packet and an even bigger transfer kitty.
Love it. Could not say it better. I think one the best ones to say was arguably CBJ under LVG. I hardly saw mistakes from him and unlike some players like Mcnair - the guy seemed to look deadly at what was natural to him - his crosses in to the box from very deep and wide positions were fantastic to watch. Did absolutely minimal things wrong. Jose comes in and he goes on loan instantly - after arguably breaking in to the first team and the lad is never seen again. The same for TFM who is a tad luckier to have been loaned to a PL club instead.
Now fans can go about how these players were never good enough; that may be true - may not be true but not everyone is going to adapt instantly well to moving to a different town after arguablly breaking and impressing on multiple matches in the first team. To make things worse the lad struggled in leeds and that prospect is dead in my eyes to every bit of poor handling and management as much as it may have been CBJ's own lack of skills - ultimately it cannot be proved and that is another player down the brush.
We talk about young players all the time over here - how much do we talk about gomes, chong, gribbin etc etc - yet not a single one gets a chance anymore or not even close. It will be Matic in front of pereira in a game we ought to win with our eyes closed.
As you can see by my name I am an LVG fan and that was because I could see what he was trying to do at United and do for a future United manager. Just one more year of LVG and i'd love to see what players he managed to add to the likes of TFM, CBJ, Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Varela etc etc and for all their failures they only ever ended up 5th if i remember correctly - 500 million and the intent to buy only 30+ year olds and we are absolutely no where near better.
We need to either go for Nicky Butt, Mckenna or Carrick as potential next managers due to their current affiliations with the club. If not then Howe or Pochettino must be asked to use our youth team.
Mourinhos emotion makes me love him, the way he reacts to goals and wins makes me think he’s just frustrated like us fans. I just don’t see how he’s going to get the players back behind him. And no one can deny his tactics look out dated.
The more I think about the casual effrontery with which he doesn't utilize or even try to bed in a 50 million pound player the more I think he's plain rotten for the club. Woodward must on some level hate him for playing with the clubs purse strings like that.
Kind of agree, although LVG truly deserved the sack. But I had far more goodwill towards him than towards Mourinho because at least he was good with the kids, had some sort of a plan that actually involved the ball, and didn't drag the club's name through the mud to protect his own reputation while he was an employee (granted he has done that since he got sacked). Mourinho is now starting to look like he can't even coach football anymore and can only bang on about heart and desire and aggression.
Could you see what Van Gaal was trying to accomplish because I don't think he could? Using the 4 players you listed above:
- Januzaj started the first 4 games of the season under LVG who then shipped him off on loan. Obviously he had a well devised long term plan for his development as player. His United career over before Mourinho joined.
- McNair was a short term pet project of LVG because he was good on the ball. Was never good enough and LVG eventually noticed this and froze him out. Was on his way out of the club before Jose arrived.
- Periera fell out badly with Van Gaal who refused to play him even though he was playing well for the u23s. He felt it more worthwhile giving first team football to James Weir.
- McTominay was promoted by Jose who still plays him more than he should. LVG wouldn't even know who he is.
Van Gaal just threw a whole host of young players into first team football with no real plan of integrating them into the first team squad. Joe Riley got 2 games (I think), played really well and then never played again, while Donald Love was in the first team.
He played McNair and Blackett while letting Michael Keane go for peanuts. Rashford hit the ground running but only after injury to Martial, Powell and Will Keane forced Van Gaal's hand.
There was no identification of talent and blooding them sparingly for their future development. Regan Poole and James Weir being given first team opportunities was just laughable.
Just because he played lots of young players doesn't mean he did a good job developing them. When you see how far they have all fallen down the leagues that becomes very clear.
Put him out of misery. And us.
Everybody feels that way.
I don't understand how he still has the job. He's looked miserable the whole time here and it has translated to the performances.
I was "mourinho out" since this past offseason but we're at the point where I just think we're sticking with him because no one wants the job
I was "mourinho out" since this past offseason but we're at the point where I just think we're sticking with him because no one wants the job
Yes, please. We're just delaying the ineivitable and it's obvious that this is not going to end well. And till then we all have to suffer this miserable mind feck football.
It's depressing as feck.
I wish they would just sack him, but as along as top four is still possible it’s not going to happen.
I think people are in for a shock when a new manager comes in as some of you on here overate our players to feck. The majority have been stinking up the place for years.
If a new manager comes in he needs to have a clear plan and vision. He needs to get rid of half of this squad. Not in the space of a summer maybe over a year or 2.
If a new manager comes in playing attacking football I will be happy, I think we should accept that a new manager will not mean success, especially with this group of shitbag players. We could still be 7th next year with new manager but if we are entertaining I am willing to except no success for 2-3 years while the manager builds.
This shit Jose is serving up is just pointless, it’s like the full world can see what’s going on apart from our board.
I think people are in for a shock when a new manager comes in as some of you on here overate our players to feck. The majority have been stinking up the place for years.
If a new manager comes in he needs to have a clear plan and vision. He needs to get rid of half of this squad. Not in the space of a summer maybe over a year or 2.
If a new manager comes in playing attacking football I will be happy, I think we should accept that a new manager will not mean success, especially with this group of shitbag players. We could still be 7th next year with new manager but if we are entertaining I am willing to except no success for 2-3 years while the manager builds.
This shit Jose is serving up is just pointless, it’s like the full world can see what’s going on apart from our board.
Best to make peace with him being here til the end of the season. I think he'll go the way LVG did - given the chance to achieve 'something' before being sent on his merry way. The problem for fans is that you can't really be sure what the future lies in store of course and you feel the heirarchy are accepting this nonsense.
He has had 3 major summer windows and a couple more January windows. He could of bought a brand new starting 11 in that time frame. There is no excuse for where we are at now.
"So should every manager".
That's where you went wrong.
Have a look at both Klopp and Guardiola's record at both signing players and improving players. If you're really honest with yourself, Mourinho has been crap in comparison on both accounts. Not to mention the actual team /cohesion building that he's struggled at where those managers have excelled.
It's fine and dandy for you to have patience and back the manager but you're not really calling a spade a spade there.
And let's stop pretending this is the 80s. We're a enormous club today with huge resources to back our managers. It isn't the same as SAF who genuinely had to build/rebuild a great club.
Yeah. The "players are shit" argument is an inherently flawed one given the manager has nearly signed a whole new 11 in his time here.
Few weeks ago I changed my vote from he should go to undecided. The reason was we simply don't have the structure in place for any manager to succeed so, we should at least give him a chance in january to get 1-2 players in before pulling the trigger. It would take longer for a new manager to get a proper assessment of our squad and mourhino is still competent in some aspects of the game. However, I think it's time to change the vote again because it's clear as daylight that he's completely lost the ability to motivate the players and they simply don't enjoy playing for him. Yes, our players may not be good enough but we shouldn't forget that his chelsea team that was absolute shambles won the league under a new manager. Yes, a new manager is likely to struggle as well but we're struggling anyway so, what have we got to lose by sacking him?
££££.
20% of the fee we paid for Fred and we probably can recoup that amount by selling Fellaini ( BTW: Our first interview question for the new manager should be how will you get the best out of Fellaini? It's a trick question with right answer being I won't, I'll just sell him.)
So much this.
The season is lost already. I say we cut our losses, get rid of Mourinho now, bring in a caretaker while planning proper for the start of next season with a new manager and potential new transfers.
The ideal scenario would be to appoint a director of football first and then follow with the rest. However the simplest solutions seem like the hardest thing to do for the executive board.
Before Jose arrived we finished what was is 7th 4th and 5th? We where not a title winning side. Jose has signed 5 starting players and a future player in Dalot. He should of built a brand new team in that time frame i.e 10 players +DDG. He didn't and that is his issue.
Now getting the best of your players tactics etc that is different issue regardless of managers we where in need of a new starting 11.
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