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Sam Allardyce side with a high budget
Long Ball United
Goalkeeper Passing Stats:
Ederson - 226 Short Balls, 102 Long Balls
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 246 Short Balls, 129 Long Balls
Bernd Leno - 100 Short Balls, 64 Long Balls
Alisson - 209 Short Balls, 139 Long Balls
Petr Cech - 120 Short Balls, 104 Long Balls
Hugo Lloris - 139 Short Balls, 163 Long Balls
David De Gea - 83 Short Balls, 242 Long Balls
Percentage of Passes Are Long Balls:
Ederson - 31%
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 34%
Bernd Leno - 39%
Alisson - 40%
Petr Cech - 46%
Hugo Lloris - 54%
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Long Ball United
Could an enormous part of these particularly awful stat's be from the inability of our team to actually pass or take players on, which could be another confidence thing? If you watch the likes of city or liverpool or psg etc, how many times do you see them admiring their passes? Am I right in thinking that when I see these teams pass the ball, they automatically advance towards the opposition half and make sure they are in a position to receive the ball once they have laid it off? It's basics, our boys have been told to hit it long, even though we usually have only Lukaku on his own up front and avoid running into space and being available for a return pass.
Long Ball United
Goalkeeper Passing Stats:
Ederson - 226 Short Balls, 102 Long Balls
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 246 Short Balls, 129 Long Balls
Bernd Leno - 100 Short Balls, 64 Long Balls
Alisson - 209 Short Balls, 139 Long Balls
Petr Cech - 120 Short Balls, 104 Long Balls
Hugo Lloris - 139 Short Balls, 163 Long Balls
David De Gea - 83 Short Balls, 242 Long Balls
Percentage of Passes Are Long Balls:
Ederson - 31%
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 34%
Bernd Leno - 39%
Alisson - 40%
Petr Cech - 46%
Hugo Lloris - 54%
David De Gea - 74%
Laughing stock.Percentage of Passes Are Long Balls:
Sigh. Not good.
- Manchester City - 31%
- Chelsea - 34%
- Liverpool - 40%
- Arsenal - 43%
- Tottenham - 50%
- Bournemouth - 63%
- Leicester - 64%
- Everton - 70%
- Newcastle United - 72%
- Fulham - 73%
- Manchester United - 74%
- Huddersfield - 77%
- Southampton - 80%
- Wolverhampton Wanderers - 81%
- West Ham - 82%
- Crystal Palace - 83%
- Burnley - 90%
- Brighton - 90%
- Watford - 90%
- Cardiff - 97%
The long ball vs short ball doesn't bother me, I love a direct counter attack and love watching players ping the ball cross field. Issue with us is we are so ineffective with the style that we surely should change things.I can provide a full list if anyone is interested. But you get the point, it does work for some clubs, Atletico Madrid, Eintracht Frankfurt, Sevilla and Montpellier all have pretty high Long Range stats. But the majority of the clubs in the top 3 from those 5 leagues are in the top 30.
- If you combine the top 5 leagues together you get a total of 98 clubs.
- Manchester United are ranked joint 72nd on the list with 74%.
- If you average for the 98 clubs is 63%. United are therefore 11% higher than the European Average.
- The only Elite Club lower than us is Atletico Madrid joint 79th with 78%.
- Paris Saint-Germain are ranked 1st with 24% Long Balls.
- Manchester City are ranked 2nd with 31% Long Balls.
I think the difference between a long direct counter attack is that it doesn't happen too often in a game. We're averaging 19 long balls a game. So our main tactic from a goal kick situation is to punt it long, avoid the defense and hope that our forward/midfield line wins the possession.The long ball vs short ball doesn't bother me, I love a direct counter attack and love watching players ping the ball cross field. Issue with us is we are so ineffective with the style that we surely should change things.
We've got such a soulless team at the minute. A load of massive money signings who have forgotten the basics of football, low confidence all round and toxic manager. The fact we play Bolton under Allardyce style football as well suits us to a tee.
Said what we all think, let's be honest
Didn't hold back there did he?
Yh I agree, I wonder if they count the numerous hoofballs that don't reach anyone as passes as well. A random thought and not a reflection of how I would like us to play but as we are playing this way, I'd genuinely like to see Fellaini as a 9 with Sanchez behind him in a free role.I think the difference between a long direct counter attack is that it doesn't happen too often in a game. We're averaging 19 long balls a game. So our main tactic from a goal kick situation is to punt it long, avoid the defense and hope that our forward/midfield line wins the possession.
The long ball counter attack could also work if we've got players who are good at dribbling. Pogba is our highest and he's on 1.8 successful dribbles a game, that's rank 44 in the Premier League. Our next highest is Martial/Sanchez with 1.3 successful dribbles a game. That's rank joint 78th. Hardly inspiring strategy.
At least Tony Pulis teams can defendYou would swear Tony Pulis was managing us.
Non Utd fans around Europe used to love watching Utd, not because of results, but as Dugarry points out, passion and emotion. I travel to Spain/Italy and Sweden regularly through work and whenever football comes up you hear hear the same thing. That Sevilla tie last year disgusted football fans, our style of play is so dull and tedious, Utd are losing that romantic appeal. Imagine not seeing Barca often and then the 2/3 times a season you see them, with the hype, the football was horrendous, functional dross. We who watch it every week are desensitized to how bad it really is, shock to the system for those outside the bubble.Tweet
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He really has turned us into a laughing stock around Europe
Look at the bright side, we beat the top 6 to something.Percentage of Passes Are Long Balls:
Sigh. Not good.
- Manchester City - 31%
- Chelsea - 34%
- Liverpool - 40%
- Arsenal - 43%
- Tottenham - 50%
- Bournemouth - 63%
- Leicester - 64%
- Everton - 70%
- Newcastle United - 72%
- Fulham - 73%
- Manchester United - 74%
- Huddersfield - 77%
- Southampton - 80%
- Wolverhampton Wanderers - 81%
- West Ham - 82%
- Crystal Palace - 83%
- Burnley - 90%
- Brighton - 90%
- Watford - 90%
- Cardiff - 97%
I think it is more to do with the step up, very conservative, not ganging all against a team, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool playing attacking football and will try to score more goal rather than defending after goal up.Mata has the same amount of shots as Rashford this season in the PL (8 shots). The biggest issue with Rashford imo is that he doesn't shoot enough.
It should be blatantly obvious to anyone, unfortunately Ed isn’t taking any notice.Those are strong words from someone with no ties or connection to the club. It must be that blatant what a mess we are
Correction.It is all his fault. We've given him 2 years of free reign and he's brought us here. The only thing we did wrong was giving him full reign.
As he said. Stats are for people who don’t know football lol.Correction.
We gave him full reign.
Year1: EL and LC trophies
Year2: 2nd in the EPL and runner up FA Cup
Full reign was taken away.
Year3: out of the LC, 7th place in the EPL.
There really should be a crying smiley.I can provide a full list if anyone is interested. But you get the point, it does work for some clubs, Atletico Madrid, Eintracht Frankfurt, Sevilla and Montpellier all have pretty high Long Range stats. But the majority of the clubs in the top 3 from those 5 leagues are in the top 30.
- If you combine the top 5 leagues together you get a total of 98 clubs.
- Manchester United are ranked joint 72nd on the list with 74%.
- If you average for the 98 clubs is 63%. United are therefore 11% higher than the European Average.
- The only Elite Club lower than us is Atletico Madrid joint 79th with 78%.
- Paris Saint-Germain are ranked 1st with 24% Long Balls.
- Manchester City are ranked 2nd with 31% Long Balls.
Wow. You sir win Spin Doctor of the year award.Correction.
We gave him full reign.
Year1: EL and LC trophies
Year2: 2nd in the EPL and runner up FA Cup
Full reign was taken away.
Year3: out of the LC, 7th place in the EPL.
Ah feck. Blame the weed.I like the effort but your preaching to the wrong poster. I couldn’t careless about a DOF. The solution for the DOF to me is so fans can stop meaning at Ed when transfers don’t work out. Plus something has to help these guys just sack him.
"I think you have a duty and a responsibility to entertain. We have to always remember that there's a public to be entertained.
There is one I was sent that has Jim Ross commentating on it as well and it’s so good. “GOOD GAWD!!, he’s broken him in half”Tweet
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The board are so desperate to avoid the brand/public image being tarnished that they unwittingly tarnish it. They should make their own decisions, right or wrong.If that journo didn't leak the article about Mou getting fired during the international break, I think he would've been gone by now. The board wanted to save face that's why they didn't fire Mou then.
He's spot on. I don't care what he's won at other clubs. I am not a Porto, Inter or Chelsea fan. I'm a Manchester United fan, and right now, Manchester United are pretty shite under him.
Didn't hold back there did he?
Correction.
We gave him full reign.
Year1: EL and LC trophies
Year2: 2nd in the EPL and runner up FA Cup
Full reign was taken away.
Year3: out of the LC, 7th place in the EPL.
Oh I agree with him. Just sad to see the impression we're giving as a club....He's spot on. I don't care what he's won at other clubs. I am not a Porto, Inter or Chelsea fan. I'm a Manchester United fan, and right now, Manchester United are pretty shite under him.
Emannuel petit went on a rant after bouremouth game as well. When neutrals are pitying us you know the situation is not good.Oh I agree with him. Just sad to see the impression we're giving as a club....
Yes it's extremely sad. We talk about brand value here and how important it is for the ownership. I'd say the romance/ lure/ magic is of greater relevance. SAFs era created this aura about Manchester United that our dull as feck football these days is eroding. Even if we don't win and dominate as we used, I feel we should stick to those core values. Not just for the impression on onlookers of course. We supporters desperately want that entertainment as well. Bring back the flair and excitement.Emannuel petit went on a rant after bouremouth game as well. When neutrals are pitying us you know the situation is not good.
It's a very misleading stat. Even a pass to Fullback is considered as long ball. Box is 18 yards and any pass above 25 yards is considered as long pass. So even a pass to FB hugging touchline is a long pass.Long Ball United
Goalkeeper Passing Stats:
Ederson - 226 Short Balls, 102 Long Balls
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 246 Short Balls, 129 Long Balls
Bernd Leno - 100 Short Balls, 64 Long Balls
Alisson - 209 Short Balls, 139 Long Balls
Petr Cech - 120 Short Balls, 104 Long Balls
Hugo Lloris - 139 Short Balls, 163 Long Balls
David De Gea - 83 Short Balls, 242 Long Balls
Percentage of Passes Are Long Balls:
Ederson - 31%
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 34%
Bernd Leno - 39%
Alisson - 40%
Petr Cech - 46%
Hugo Lloris - 54%
David De Gea - 74%