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Surprised he went to Gary Neville of all people about the abuse.
Different tastes. None of our business IMOz.Also. I think bling culture in general is a bad thing and should be challenged. I don’t think anyone should get a pass for buying into that shit, no matter their heritage. Of course, a footballer spending a couple of million pounds on a house for his mum does not count as someone being bling.
Kind of. I happpen to think deliberate, ostentatious displays of wealth are in objectively bad taste. So it goes beyond personal preferences.Different tastes. None of our business IMOz.
Rooney also received a massive amount of support from an England-obsessed media. Given that Sterling is an England player too, where's his massive support?Seems as though Rooney suffered more stick than anyone in the press and received tons of abuse from furious gesticulating fans when taking a corner.
Imagine if Rooney was black and received the same attention in the media and had the same amount of fans shouting and waving wildly in his direction at games, it would suddenly look like it was because he was black to have this unprecedented attention. It would be interesting to dig up every article written about Rooney.
Certain people do get this attention. Plenty of black players don't get this type of press coverage.
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Excellent from Barnes.
Yeah this essentially.Different tastes. None of our business IMOz.
I know you're a smart guy, and an intelligent poster, and I mean this as a genuine question, not a sarcastic rhetorical - do you also think of Royals as 'bling'? Top politicians? the Beckhams? Ronaldo? Wall Street bankers?Kind of. I happpen to think deliberate, ostentatious displays of wealth are in objectively bad taste. So it goes beyond personal preferences.
It’s not a terrible thing to do but I certainly won’t feel sorry for anyone getting stick for showing off how incredibly rich they are.
Again you're confusing correlation with causation.think of the top 10 players considered to have high level of football intelligence....how many are black?
think of the top 10 players considered to be big and strong...or described as an animal or a beast....how many are white?
the ingrained racial undertones has been going on for years....was the same in NFL with quarterbacks....they were predominantly white as they were perceived more intelligent.
the media use this "language" and it sticks.
im glad Sterling has called them out on it
and john Barnes interview above is bang on the money
There's getting stick and there's getting vitriolic abuse. Whatever, thee people abusing him as much as they do, do so most likely not because they have any particular reason to but because they just want to, racist or not. Trying go find reason is probably giving them too much credit. I think their actions are non-sensical to the core borne out of ignorance and profound stupidity.Kind of. I happpen to think deliberate, ostentatious displays of wealth are in objectively bad taste. So it goes beyond personal preferences.
It’s not a terrible thing to do but I certainly won’t feel sorry for anyone getting stick for showing off how incredibly rich they are. It’s something that can only be done to get attention (literally “showing off”) so they deserve whatever attention they get, positive and negative.
This, and a well behaved and low key man of colour most certainly not.Society has this idea of how a rich man should be and a young, relatively uneducated black man is not it.
My missus watches Made in Chelsea. Believe me, I have no shortage of upper class caucasian hate figures when it comes to vulgar displays of wealth!Wow. The man just literally bossed the entire subject in 8 minutes...
Yeah this essentially.
I know you're a smart guy, and an intelligent poster, and I mean this as a genuine question, not a sarcastic rhetorical - do you also think of Royals as 'bling'? Top politicians? the Beckhams? Ronaldo? Wall Street bankers?
Fair enough if you do - but I bet there's a chance, if you're totally, brutally honest, that a few of those don't appear in your mind as 'bling' immediately.
A politician owning 3 houses, 4 cars and wearing cashmere and tailored suits is also a "deliberate, ostentatious display of wealth", but it takes a minute to realize it (for me, at least, if I'm totally honest).
The Royals dripping in Gold and daft medals, wearing crowns with jewels in, this is undoubtedly a "deliberate, ostentatious display of wealth" - yet we call them 'bling' in an almost tongue in cheek way, but ironically this is really where 'bling culture' comes from - Royalty.
They set the barometer and poor (or at least relatively poor...) people have essentially followed suit.
That's what 'Bling Culture' is. It's an animal instinct to display worth, status and position of influence. But working class people who are new to their money do it in a more clumsy (or, if you like, honest and transparent) manner.
My point is that if you wanna hate on 'Bling Culture', don't start at Stephen Ireland, or Memphis Depay, or some Rapper etc - start at the living behemoths of 'Bling Culture', start at what and why Royals are wearing, start at fashion houses, start at what's being worn by Wall Street execs, or what's been worn at Eton, or Harvard for generations...
Because all of them will be "deliberate, ostentatious displays of wealth" - albeit accepted ones.
Don’t get me wrong. There’s no kind of display of wealth that would justify the abuse Sterling got the other night. I don’t even think he’s a particularly bad example when it comes to this sort of thing anyway. I just don’t buy into the idea that we can’t criticise bling culture at all because that would be racist, or culturally insensitive.There's getting stick and there's getting vitriolic abuse. Whatever, thee people abusing him as much as they do, do so most likely not because they have any particular reason to but because they just want to, racist or not. Trying go find reason is probably giving them too much credit. I think their actions are non-sensical to the core borne out of ignorance and profound stupidity.
Pretty certain Joshua was referred to as Nigerian commonly earlier on in his career, before he was the dogs bollocks.Yeah, agree with pretty much all of this.
Joshua is another great example, totally adored by the British media. He actually dealt drugs when he was younger, yet you'll barely see this mentioned and most of the articles related to it celebrate him turning around his life. This is because he comes across as a humble, hard working, likeable guy .. the media in this country loves these types. Tyson Fury was portrayed as the villain and his achievements were half as lauded as Joshua's, he's a white guy but is in your face, arrogant and can be totally crass, though he seems to have toned it down a little recently and has a feel good story related to mental health, thus the media are coming to his side. remember nice Tim Henman? Won nothing but a likeable bloke, we're a sucker for it. Someone like Kante is basically seen as the nicest man in the country, Mo Farah as well is a national hero. It's just a preferred personality type and I honestly do not view it as a racial thing at all.
Fair enough , I'm all for taking the piss, there's just a certain level that just simply wrong. I think most of us know where that line is. There's taking the piss and there's pure hatred, and abuse that's just aimed to hurt and demean a person.Don’t get me wrong. There’s no kind of display of wealth that would justify the abuse Sterling got the other night. I don’t even think he’s a particularly bad example when it comes to this sort of thing anyway. I just don’t buy into the idea that we can’t criticise bling culture at all because that would be racist, or culturally insensitive.
This here is the problem, there is an expectation about the way certain people should behave and that expectation links very closely to skin tone. Black players are expected to be quiet and grateful that they've been allowed to succeed whilst white players are not similarly restricted. If you're rich, young and black please shut up about it is essentially the message. The personality type you're talking about is the preferred personality type for black players - quiet, submissive, respectful.Yeah, agree with pretty much all of this.
Joshua is another great example, totally adored by the British media. He actually dealt drugs when he was younger, yet you'll barely see this mentioned and most of the articles related to it celebrate him turning around his life. This is because he comes across as a humble, hard working, likeable guy .. the media in this country loves these types. Tyson Fury was portrayed as the villain and his achievements were half as lauded as Joshua's, he's a white guy but is in your face, arrogant and can be totally crass, though he seems to have toned it down a little recently and has a feel good story related to mental health, thus the media are coming to his side. remember nice Tim Henman? Won nothing but a likeable bloke, we're a sucker for it. Someone like Kante is basically seen as the nicest man in the country, Mo Farah as well is a national hero. It's just a preferred personality type and I honestly do not view it as a racial thing at all.
I appreciate you are ‘attempting’ to be fair in treating people equal. But could you mellow down on your tone. It’s actually kind of offensive not only to call someone idiot or dickhead of any colour, but to use it against race. Have some manners.Sometimes people with black skin are just fcuking idiots. It’s ok for that to be the case.
Sterling, Sol, Collymore, Ince.
All have some thoughts that I wouldn’t disagree with and could get behind.
But most of the time they’re just insufferable.
It’s not because they’re black. It’s just because they’re dickheads.
There are HUNDREDS of white talking heads and footballers that get the full force of peoples ire.
That there are a handful of prominent black faces that get treated for the twats that they are, is not racism.
Sterling is right in his point about the Mail articles. But he’s still a bell end.
Gullit, Jenas, Hasselbaink, Barnes, Dublin, Ferdinand, King, James, Lescott, Defoe, Salako, Kamara are all pretty well received in the game, in print and by audiences. Some better than others but that’s no more or less true than the white faces. Shock, Horror... the less of an ass you are, the more people like you.
I DO believe that Sterling gets a bad deal at times. But I think it’s wholly disingenuous to put it down to race and ignore character.
What has Sterling actually done to make you think he's an idiot?Sometimes people with black skin are just fcuking idiots. It’s ok for that to be the case.
Sterling, Sol, Collymore, Ince.
All have some thoughts that I wouldn’t disagree with and could get behind.
But most of the time they’re just insufferable.
It’s not because they’re black. It’s just because they’re dickheads.
There are HUNDREDS of white talking heads and footballers that get the full force of peoples ire.
That there are a handful of prominent black faces that get treated for the twats that they are, is not racism.
Sterling is right in his point about the Mail articles. But he’s still a bell end.
Gullit, Jenas, Hasselbaink, Barnes, Dublin, Ferdinand, King, James, Lescott, Defoe, Salako, Kamara are all pretty well received in the game, in print and by audiences. Some better than others but that’s no more or less true than the white faces. Shock, Horror... the less of an ass you are, the more people like you.
I DO believe that Sterling gets a bad deal at times. But I think it’s wholly disingenuous to put it down to race and ignore character.
It’s a repeated mistake which black people themselves try to rectify but like many will point out we are a good 100 years behind white culture so it might not kick in until another 100 years. Doesn’t mean we derserve the criticism. After all there’s a big historical reason why we are playing catch up.My missus watches Made in Chelsea. Believe me, I have no shortage of upper class caucasian hate figures when it comes to vulgar displays of wealth!
To be honest, I find the idea that people who only recently became wealthy houldn’t be criticised for showing off how much money they can spunk on expensive tat - because they don’t know better - kind of patronising. There are loads of unpleasant animal instincts that humans shouldn’t give in to. This is one of
I agree. Not a big fan, but he has handled this well. Flagging the DM bullshit was good work. It's depressing that C4 news said that the amount of racial crap at stadiums has risen for six consecutive years is depressing.What has Sterling actually done to make you think he's an idiot?
I'm not sure it's entirely a race thing tbh, albeit it's hard to think it's not an element with him.Does Sterling even flaunt his wealth?
I'm a little slow on this subject. It just seems like the argument of his criticism being legitimate is made from the fact he's being criticised in the first place. As if there has to be a reason and we'll find it rather than asking why he was picked out in the first place.
Sterling doesn't stand out in any way to me.
He flaunts his wealth like how Pogba keeps dancing. Basically he got a big contract after moving from Liverpool to City and has been criticised ever since. I’ve never seen him with a bunch of chains, never seen him with spinning rims etc etc. But you do one thing the people don’t like and it sticks forever (which actually has nothing to do with racism)Does Sterling even flaunt his wealth?
I'm a little slow on this subject. It just seems like the argument of his criticism being legitimate is made from the fact he's being criticised in the first place. As if there has to be a reason and we'll find it rather than asking why he was picked out in the first place.
Sterling doesn't stand out in any way to me.
Whats wrong with his character? This is what I find hilarious.Sometimes people with black skin are just fcuking idiots. It’s ok for that to be the case.
Sterling, Sol, Collymore, Ince.
All have some thoughts that I wouldn’t disagree with and could get behind.
But most of the time they’re just insufferable.
It’s not because they’re black. It’s just because they’re dickheads.
There are HUNDREDS of white talking heads and footballers that get the full force of peoples ire.
That there are a handful of prominent black faces that get treated for the twats that they are, is not racism.
Sterling is right in his point about the Mail articles. But he’s still a bell end.
Gullit, Jenas, Hasselbaink, Barnes, Dublin, Ferdinand, King, James, Lescott, Defoe, Salako, Kamara are all pretty well received in the game, in print and by audiences. Some better than others but that’s no more or less true than the white faces. Shock, Horror... the less of an ass you are, the more people like you.
I DO believe that Sterling gets a bad deal at times. But I think it’s wholly disingenuous to put it down to race and ignore character.
I genuinely struggle to think of anything he's done to make people think that beyond their own assumptions.What has Sterling actually done to make you think he's an idiot?
Not really, hes been equally criticized for not washing his car, shopping at Poundland and Greggs. He's seen as greedy and money obsessed because he left Liverpool for City and better wages. Brendan Rodgers is hugely responsible for Sterlings treatment because he was bitter about him not signing the 100k deal.Does Sterling even flaunt his wealth?
I'm a little slow on this subject. It just seems like the argument of his criticism being legitimate is made from the fact he's being criticised in the first place. As if there has to be a reason and we'll find it rather than asking why he was picked out in the first place.
Sterling doesn't stand out in any way to me.
The fact that he had an agent like Aidy Ward doesn't help his case though.Not really, hes been equally criticized for not washing his car, shopping at Poundland and Greggs. He's seen as greedy and money obsessed because he left Liverpool for City and better wages. Brendan Rodgers is hugely responsible for Sterlings treatment because he was bitter about him not signing the 100k deal.
Ward is an agent like the rest of them he's a piece of shit, but Ward was doing his job, Rodgers was taking pot shots at Raheem for ages, trying to bully him in to signing the 100k contract long before he signed for City. "Best offer we've ever made a teen" etc..The fact that he had an agent like Aidy Ward doesn't help his case though.
What "case" is Sterling supposed to have to make? He's just a young footballer making his way in the game, who gets a disproportionate amount of abuse up and down the country. Apparently because he had the temerity to leave Liverpool and sometimes he doesn't play that well for England. And his agent is Aidy Ward.The fact that he had an agent like Aidy Ward doesn't help his case though.
Yeah, Brendan was patronising from the start & has a habit of highlighting the credit he feels he merits.padr81 said:Ward is an agent like the rest of them he's a piece of shit, but Ward was doing his job, Rodgers was taking pot shots at Raheem for ages, trying to bully him in to signing the 100k contract long before he signed for City. "Best offer we've ever made a teen" etc..
He also at one stage said “I had Raheem Sterling playing for England and a regular in the Liverpool first team on £2000 per week." like a boast, because in Brendans mind it was doing Raheem good to be on no money because he couldn't handle money or something. In reality he was boasting about keeping a talented international player on £2k, whilst implying Raheem was incapable of keeping his feet on the ground on decent money (which I think was £35k or something when he did sign).
At the time the contract was offered, 100k was a lot of money that even many seasoned pros don't get. Plus, Sterling had just had a couple of seasons so the club probably thought he needed to prove himself more first, having been burned by the 140k given to Sturridge.Ward is an agent like the rest of them he's a piece of shit, but Ward was doing his job, Rodgers was taking pot shots at Raheem for ages, trying to bully him in to signing the 100k contract long before he signed for City. "Best offer we've ever made a teen" etc..
Long before all that Brendan came out with “I had Raheem Sterling playing for England and a regular in the Liverpool first team on £2000 per week." like a boast, because in Brendans mind it was doing Raheem good to be on no money because he couldn't handle money or something. In reality he was boasting about keeping a talented international player on £2k, whilst implying Raheem was incapable of keeping his feet on the ground on decent money (which I think was £35k or something when he did sign).
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Didn't his agent attack the club after club leaked info to media and Rodgers interview?At the time the contract was offered, 100k was a lot of money that even many seasoned pros don't get. Plus, Sterling had just had a couple of seasons so the club probably thought he needed to prove himself more first, having been burned by the 140k given to Sturridge.
Agree with you that Rodgers escalated the situation with his comments though. However, Ward attacking the club over it adds fuel to the fire that Sterling behaved like an entitled brat.
100% it was a lot of money, but the money didn't matter to Raheem by then. I think the fact Rodgers didn't trust him with money is what bugged Raheem and he'd never have stayed. He even said he'd have signed for less money if he was offered the contract at the end of the previous season.At the time the contract was offered, 100k was a lot of money that even many seasoned pros don't get. Plus, Sterling had just had a couple of seasons so the club probably thought he needed to prove himself more first, having been burned by the 140k given to Sturridge.
Agree with you that Rodgers escalated the situation with his comments though. However, Ward attacking the club over it adds fuel to the fire that Sterling behaved like an entitled brat.
Yeah, exactly.Of course, no football journalist or fan has ever changed their place of work in pursuit of better career prospects and wages...
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Anyone remember this rumour? The vilification of Sterling has been apparent since his breakthrough and has always been highly unreasonable.