Was listening to Dean Saunders on The Alan Brazil Show, not for long mind you. He said the players are disgusting and is blaming them for Jose getting sacked. Won't blame Jose for anything. I love how these perpetually out of work managers are getting on their high horses.
Mourinho Gone
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What is worse, our fans will agree. People are seriously undermining the work of good managers. Just like players, managers also have to evolve. History shows us this.
I know but his reservations about Jose were mostly about his behaviour not his managerial acumen. He was right on the money with that one.
Jose should have been fired after the Sevilla game. So this Summer spending or lack thereof is irrelevant.It is a bit.
Maybe some people are so stuck in the "support the manager no matter how much sh!te he causes or how far he drags the club down" mode.
It could be that some people wanted him him here so much and desperately wanted him to succeed that they are willing to make as many excuses for his as needed.
Or there maybe some on here who think that if Jose had been given the funds for Alderweireld he wanted that we would be top of the League, undefeated marching towards another League title
Tbh it's because the pro Jose supporters were exactly like this too while he was still here. Some even extended this treatment to some of our players.
Its not right. But it's understandable.
Yes. But maybe we should have taken that period to properly rebuild. Like hiring a DOF or something.
I know that I am saying this with the benefit of hindsight though.
That's not the DoF's job though, that's down to management team.
I've not seen anyone agreeing? And if they did, would you even value their opinion anyway? Think you'll find the only people still hating on our players are the closet racists.
Tell you what, I will be fecking furious if ever go for another manager of his ilk again. Pragmatic, spiritless, Stoke/Pulis bullshit.
I'm honestly so thankful we never allowed him to have a KDB moment here. Credit where it's due to Woodward.
It's strange how they want to be known as managers but seem to not want the duties of that role. Since the manager is supposed to be the leader, he needs to convince people to follow him.
Honestly when people start blaming the players collectively over the bloke leading them, it makes you wonder if they even see the need for a manager in the first place.
Yep. There’s plenty who blame the players. Saying Mourinho would have turned it around etc.
Thos with the views are closet racists? Duno. But the players who get the most hate are Pogba and Rom. Sanchez is hardly ever mentioned.
I don't know if it's the same posters but I have seen people suggest that improving the players individually wasn't the managers duty and that motivating the players wasn't his duty. So I guess that managers are supposed to make transfer wishes and write names on a team sheet. I don't like that reference but I have always felt that it was a very "FIFA/PES" outlook.
We are very lucky he hasn't done a Chelsea. He was going to cost us Dave, Pogba among others.
I totally agree with this, as he wouldn't have been able to moan about his lack of funds because the players at his disposal were not good enough etc and his toxicity wouldn't have dragged on through the season mate.
. But some people will still defend Jose after the sh!te against Sevilla (labelled by some as the Stoke of Spanish Football).
Although everybody is entitled to their opinion even if it vastly differs from mine.
Martial, Shaw can you imagine how much it would cost to replace all of them???
Indeed. This is the last comment I will make about that man before consigning him to the past; I remain absolutely convinced that he was trying to get sacked since the summer and was going to more and more desperate lengths to make it happen, including seeking defeats. I had a begrudging respect for him last season; now though, if I were at Costa I'd make his hazelnut mocha skinny latte with semi-skimmed milk.
He genuinely was. Imagine losing Paul Pogba, Anthony Martial, and David De Gea in the space of 18 months? fecking mental.
That would have happened this summer with martial and as you say, Woodward should be given credit for putting his foot down
Imagine Chelsea with martial and hazard, they could have been challenging for the title as one of the key things they are missing is a striker
But you are in this thread! On other threads you have a point if you ask people to shut up about Jose being gone.
I hated every moan that Jose had about this club and he made me question if I even want to continue following United and the self-inflicted torture.
Why can't people vent it out now when they have the chance. Yes - some of it may get misdirected to some other fans (who are still pro-Jose), but that's fine. What's an online forum without a bit of banter!
It doesn't bare thinking about..
I also listened to this.
Don't you think there is an element of truth in this?
The players stopped playing for the manager, no?
The Chelsea players done it under Mourinho previously, the Leicester players done it to Ranieri.
Our players workrate and commitment to the club more or less was non existent under Jose towards the end. A change was needed.
Ultimately, it is the managers job to motivate the players and the buck stops there. But you cannot say any of our players have been putting 100% effort in under Jose. In that regard, Saunders is correct.
Jose has his faults, but the players are responsible for they're own workrate and pride in playing for this club
Sums up the ABU agenda. We've spent years being told that everything is awful because of Jose's toxicity. Now he's gone and people can't stand us having any feel good factor around the club so they're hammering the players for getting the manager sacked.
I think Mou takes the main share of blame, but the players haven't exactly covered themselves in glory. That said, it is ultimately the manager's role to create a harmonious and positive environment.
So now if we have issues with our players we are racist? What do you define as "hating" on our players? Im not convinced by portions of the current squad in terms of passion/commitment to united and its values.
I personally thought Luke Shaw and Dalot were poor against huddersfield. Does that make me racist? Or are you only talking about if I criticise black players.
To be honest it's nothing about the ABU agenda, those types react like that every time a manager gets sacked from a big team and then they suddenly start playing better. The media were the same when Jose got binned off from Chelsea.
Nah, this thread can serve as some sort of healing stop for most of us who had to put up with Jose and his acolytes excuses. Everytime his nonsenses get debunked we have this thread to come in and point them out.
This thread provides a cathartic release and I'd keep it around for a while.
I can't but smile everytime I read "Mourinho gone" in the first places of the forum. We should keep this thread up, to remember everyday the satisfaction of seeing this idiot disappear. It's like the storm has ended and everything is colourful again. Like sacking the Grinch for Christmas. Such a beautiful feeling.
Hello Mourinho cult, I'm sorry us enjoying to rub it in as a result of having to suffer your arrogant talk downs for the past two years is hurting you. Can dish it out but can't take it and going the "oh look how morally superior and grown up I am, I wish I had used this theory back then too when I thought I was so much better than you but nah I'm a hypocrite to the square root of RED ARMY TILL I DIE (redcafe thinking man's poster tm)" way from your high horse really is a sight to behold.
Mourinho OUT.
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Your right it would have been fecking mental and made me and maybe a few others fecking mental. All because they don't conform to his 'pragmatism'
or don't like being constantly thrown under the bus, (which I think should have been kept 'in-house' anyway)
The club and fans with a long overdue decision to sack Jose have woken up from a nightmare. Too premature to discuss long-term implications.
Enjoying the moment.
Enjoying the moment.
I guess it won't end until his supporters own it up and finally admit they were wrong. They were wrong on wanting him to stay, and they were wrong on turning against Martial, Shaw, Pogba et cetera, in favour of the most toxic man to ever manage our team.
In a perfect world, probably this.
But we both know that the world isn’t anywhere near perfect enough. And that applies to both sides of this discussion.
Some people could never admit to any of the above because it would hurt their egos. People don't like being proven wrong.
I think k he has permanently divided the fans. Madrid fans are still divided to this day.
The players who are still getting the most hate are Pogba, Martial and Lukaku, and I'm not talking about how they've been playing, more to do with their personalities and what they do outside of the game. You're right about Shaw and Dalot though, they were poor last match but also looked knackered.
It's definitely wasn't all Mouinho fault and the players and the board take some blame also. I also don't think he was bring us down on purpose, but at the start of this season he looked like he wanted to pick a fight with everyone. He's always had elements of this but more so this season.
As for the player not running for Mouriho, we have been 19th and 20th in the distance covered for the last 2.5 season which says to me that it tactics not the player unwilling to run as I've not heard him complain about this during his time.
As for the player not running for Mouriho, we have been 19th and 20th in the distance covered for the last 2.5 season which says to me that it tactics not the player unwilling to run as I've not heard him complain about this during his time.
Martial was lauded after the game against Cardiff, and right so. Pogba has been excellent in the last two games - both players have not been playing to their potential and there are questions about how much that was them, and how much the manager - valid questions to ask.
It's getting really pathetic from some posters who hold up a racism card if certain players are criticised.
Have you actually any evidence to back this up? That the hardcore minority of Jose enthusiasts were/are any older than the majority who ranged from septics to hardcore outers?
I could just as easily make a case for us oldies, who pine for the days of Best, Doc’s Red Army and the 90s Fergie’s 442, being the ones who hated Jose’s dull pragmatism and his fans being younger people who were seduced by his winning charm in his first spell at Chelsea. Or something.
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