Not really. We could have easily been leading by 3 if Pogba took his chances. They were better than us in the last 30 minutes and it gives the perception that we were lucky, but on the other side, they were very lucky to actually be in the game considering that we should have finished the game much earlier.
Rooney: Manchester United should go 'all out' for Mauricio Pochettino
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We were lucky. A fair result was a draw from the game.
I agree with him
They were lucky. A fair result was 0-3.
We should have been out of sight before Tottenham grew into the game. We could have and should have had three by the time Spurs started attacking, luckily for our lack of finishing, De Gea made sure we came away with all the points. Beating us was no feat, or Chelsea under Mourinho or Conte in melt down mode. They've come up short in moments where they had to win to show their mettle, that starts with the manger. Spurs coast through seasons with little to no expectation on them and they deliver on that every season.
Again, they had Kane and Son in top form. Look at them now, lucky to be drawing against Fulham as we speak.
No. It wasn't.
Yes. It was.
So it’s settled then. If Rooney says Poch we must choose Ole.
They beat Sarri this season. They should have got more out of the City game and they matched Liverpool in both games this season (Arguably unlucky to only come away with a point overall). They've beaten Real back to back and Dortmund in the group of death last year and were terribly unlucky to not go ahead of Juventus after again matching them toe to toe.
They shouldn't be expected to match the sides I've named because they are a tiny club in comparison. But again, their manager has got the absolute best of the squad at his disposal. They dislodged Arsenal beyond just a fluke season under Poch and became a good Champions League side in the process. He's taken the club on and brought them to a level they aren't expected to sustain. It's not even a debate for me that he's a fecking good manager.
Never said he wasn't a good manager, he's just not the right fit for us. Let him go to Madrid and we'll see how good he is, we can always pick him up once they sack him if Ole doesn't work out.
I agree with Rooney
Seems to have adopted Fergie Time!
Rooney not a fan of Ole then?
I am with Wayne.
Should move heaven and earth for Poch. What a manager and what a job he is doing with literally no resources.
Or we could just keep the one we've got that's doing amazingly well and put all our support and resources behind him instead of a want for Pochettino to be successful.
I agree.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Poch has and always will be my first choice.
He certainly divides opinion. Doing a fantastic job and yet the "no trophies" criticism is also fair to an extent, in my opinion. But overall a great manager.
The dilemma is that if we keep Ole, I am not sure there would ever be a better chance of him managing us. It is certainly a good dilemma to have of course, as it means Ole is doing incredibly well.
It's starting to look like we'd be doing Pochettino a favour by bringing him to OT, not the other way around.
Of ole gets us fourth after being in such a hopeless position, he should get the job.
Rooney is Ofcourse entitled to his opinion but I hope the club takes no cognizance of that
Rooney is Ofcourse entitled to his opinion but I hope the club takes no cognizance of that
Ole has done fantastically well no doubt. However before everyone starts getting Ole for manager t shirts, let's just see where we finish this season. Clearly Woodward has a target for the manager's chair and I fully expect that to be Poch
He's a good manager but we're not that desperate. I don't know if he's the right fit. Ole already has the endorsment of our top players, knows the club and I'm very wary of changing this winning formula. The first time we look like we're heading in the right direction and we change it up - not comfortable at all.
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Everyone talks about Poch and youngsters! What youngsters? Dele Alli from MK Dons in 2013 or Kane with his Tottenham debut in 2014 after 13 appearances on loan for Leicester in 2013? I count one player promoted by Pochetino in Tottenham, that's it.. Kane!
I think Poch has done a great job at Tottenham with very limited resources and he's been able to achieve this by developing young players and taking many of them to another level. However, the environment at that club is very different especially when one considers what the expectations are. One thing that has always concerned me about him is that he's never really shown ambition in winning some silverware; I mean, he's managing a team that's never going to win the Premier League [and the one season he probably should have, they crumbled with the finishing line just about in sight..] so it's weird how he's never shown the ambition to go win one of the other domestic trophies. Mourinho loved the League Cup to give the team a taste of silverware and using that to spur [hehe] them on to bigger and better things. But Poch was just content with maintaining their top 4 status and so did it seems most of their fan base - expectations are different here and thus so is the environment. What I'm getting at with this is that neither him nor Ole are sure things.
Ole on the other hand lives and breaths this football club, it's in his DNA from being a player under the tutelage of the greatest manager in sports ever. Sure Poch takes Ole in the experience department, but experience is gained by being in the job and Ole is literally passing his tests with flying colours at the moment while in the actual job he's auditioning for and I'm sure he'll be evolving as the season progresses. As someone in this thread or another mentioned, he comes as a package with Phelan and by extension SAF's library of knowledge so he most definitely has all the tools to grow and take shape in the image of Manchester United. If he does well and shows the tactical nous, then why take apart a demonstrably successful formula to bring in another 'big name' and start from scratch - again? It didn't work with LVG, it didn't work with Mourinho, so why not try do something different by recruiting one of our own? Make our own Pep or Zidane?
Of course this is all assuming Ole shows what he needs to show come end of the season. And I have faith that he will.
Ole on the other hand lives and breaths this football club, it's in his DNA from being a player under the tutelage of the greatest manager in sports ever. Sure Poch takes Ole in the experience department, but experience is gained by being in the job and Ole is literally passing his tests with flying colours at the moment while in the actual job he's auditioning for and I'm sure he'll be evolving as the season progresses. As someone in this thread or another mentioned, he comes as a package with Phelan and by extension SAF's library of knowledge so he most definitely has all the tools to grow and take shape in the image of Manchester United. If he does well and shows the tactical nous, then why take apart a demonstrably successful formula to bring in another 'big name' and start from scratch - again? It didn't work with LVG, it didn't work with Mourinho, so why not try do something different by recruiting one of our own? Make our own Pep or Zidane?
Of course this is all assuming Ole shows what he needs to show come end of the season. And I have faith that he will.
I meant who else would be a better option as manager?
Oops..ma bad...
I can see his point given that Pochettino has the experience of managing in the PL and doing a very good job with Tottenham consistently keeping them challenging in the top 4.
However it does still stick out that he hasn't won a trophy. Yes I probably wouldn't expect the CL Or PL for them due to perhaps not having the squad depth. However I would have liked to see them having won an FA cup or even the League cup. Especially with some of the players they have e.g. Kane/ Son etc.
Ole has certainly achieved far more than i could have hoped when he was appointed, the Cardiff relegation did worry me but how can you not love Ole especially after that goal in 99! Thought it'll be refreshing to see what he can do low expectations etc.
He has got me loving and enjoying watching United again, certainly haven't have the nerves and gasps the Tottenham game caused last weekend in a while, watching us most of the time under Jose/ LVG/ Moyes felt like going through the motions rarely did we do anything massively exciting. We also mostly played boring football, I loved hearing the fans singing in the background when watching the Brighton game yesterday.
I'd love to see him win a trophy with us though I think Arsenal will be really tricky and PSG probably a step too far at this moment in time (though wouldn't it be great if 20 years after scoring the winning goal for us in the 99 final he comes back and guides us to victory as a manager) realistically though I don't think we have enough to get past PSG. We will need to take our chances as no way are they not scoring.
Before I'm either pro or anti Ole getting the job full time I'd need to see him when things aren't going well and how he reacts to that. Obviously I don't want us to lose but how will he react when we lose a game? What will he do or change for the next game? How will he react if we go behind in a game? That will probably tell you a little more about his manager skills to see his ability to turn things around if they aren't going to plan. Will he be able to keep the players onside and get them to keep going and get one of our famous late goals? I'm certainly loving watching the football he's got us playing though, however the second half yesterday was nerve wracking. It's refreshing to see him bench Lukaku.
One thing worries me is him saying we won't be making any January signings - is this Oles discision or the boards? I can partially see sense as the new manager if it isn't Ole may not like the signing then be "stuck" with the player however we are still challenging for top 4 and a possible trophy. The fans can see we need signings so it's a little worrying if Ole can't see that but obviously the decision may not be his to make.
Madrid being so interested in Pochettino worries me if we take him on. Could he potentially do a couple of years here then quit for Madrid? Leaving us in the same position of needing a new manager a few years down the line? Yes he will probably have built a good team and set up but then, while some were old SAF left Moyes a title winning team and look what happened. Again the board would need to make the right choice in replacing him. With Ole if he was successful I could see him being here for many years.
I'd also like to see how Pochettino copes without Kane and Son. How will he adapt? I didn't see it but see they only just beat Fulham today. Certainly he's done a great job with Tottenham and I'm not putting him down on Moyes level but people thought Moyes did a great job with Everton but look what happened with us.
Taking absolutely nothing away from Ole but how much of how we are playing now is down to him and which is down to Phelan/ Carrick/ Sir Alex etc? I will say Ole certainly gets United, interestingly I'm reading Michael Carricks autobiography at the moment and Ole is one of the players he frequently mentioned as "getting " United. This was published before Jose was sacked.
So in short im certainly open to Ole getting the job BUT need to see what happens when things aren't going so well. Can he quickly turn things around ideally in the same game? If we do lose can it quickly be stopped so we win the next game and don't go into a horrible form slump which has been so common lately? While I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't beat Liverpool or city can he at least get us to challenge them and not just park the bus. I would want to see at the very least a respectable scoreline and us not tamely surrendering.
However it does still stick out that he hasn't won a trophy. Yes I probably wouldn't expect the CL Or PL for them due to perhaps not having the squad depth. However I would have liked to see them having won an FA cup or even the League cup. Especially with some of the players they have e.g. Kane/ Son etc.
Ole has certainly achieved far more than i could have hoped when he was appointed, the Cardiff relegation did worry me but how can you not love Ole especially after that goal in 99! Thought it'll be refreshing to see what he can do low expectations etc.
He has got me loving and enjoying watching United again, certainly haven't have the nerves and gasps the Tottenham game caused last weekend in a while, watching us most of the time under Jose/ LVG/ Moyes felt like going through the motions rarely did we do anything massively exciting. We also mostly played boring football, I loved hearing the fans singing in the background when watching the Brighton game yesterday.
I'd love to see him win a trophy with us though I think Arsenal will be really tricky and PSG probably a step too far at this moment in time (though wouldn't it be great if 20 years after scoring the winning goal for us in the 99 final he comes back and guides us to victory as a manager) realistically though I don't think we have enough to get past PSG. We will need to take our chances as no way are they not scoring.
Before I'm either pro or anti Ole getting the job full time I'd need to see him when things aren't going well and how he reacts to that. Obviously I don't want us to lose but how will he react when we lose a game? What will he do or change for the next game? How will he react if we go behind in a game? That will probably tell you a little more about his manager skills to see his ability to turn things around if they aren't going to plan. Will he be able to keep the players onside and get them to keep going and get one of our famous late goals? I'm certainly loving watching the football he's got us playing though, however the second half yesterday was nerve wracking. It's refreshing to see him bench Lukaku.
One thing worries me is him saying we won't be making any January signings - is this Oles discision or the boards? I can partially see sense as the new manager if it isn't Ole may not like the signing then be "stuck" with the player however we are still challenging for top 4 and a possible trophy. The fans can see we need signings so it's a little worrying if Ole can't see that but obviously the decision may not be his to make.
Madrid being so interested in Pochettino worries me if we take him on. Could he potentially do a couple of years here then quit for Madrid? Leaving us in the same position of needing a new manager a few years down the line? Yes he will probably have built a good team and set up but then, while some were old SAF left Moyes a title winning team and look what happened. Again the board would need to make the right choice in replacing him. With Ole if he was successful I could see him being here for many years.
I'd also like to see how Pochettino copes without Kane and Son. How will he adapt? I didn't see it but see they only just beat Fulham today. Certainly he's done a great job with Tottenham and I'm not putting him down on Moyes level but people thought Moyes did a great job with Everton but look what happened with us.
Taking absolutely nothing away from Ole but how much of how we are playing now is down to him and which is down to Phelan/ Carrick/ Sir Alex etc? I will say Ole certainly gets United, interestingly I'm reading Michael Carricks autobiography at the moment and Ole is one of the players he frequently mentioned as "getting " United. This was published before Jose was sacked.
So in short im certainly open to Ole getting the job BUT need to see what happens when things aren't going so well. Can he quickly turn things around ideally in the same game? If we do lose can it quickly be stopped so we win the next game and don't go into a horrible form slump which has been so common lately? While I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't beat Liverpool or city can he at least get us to challenge them and not just park the bus. I would want to see at the very least a respectable scoreline and us not tamely surrendering.
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United were better than Spurs away from home a factor and their poor finishing didn't merrit them a point. We should have scored more than one. Today's game vs Fulham was hardly exhilerating, were sooo lucky to win, they looked a tad flat, Spurs played more like Morinho than Ole. Jury out at the moment to see if he can sustain Spurs' position. Ole has more Umited experience than Poch ever will plus the legacy, the culture, he breathes the club and that to me is his own Zidane factor... Ole may be able to do much more than a conventional manager... and the haters, add Rooney too the Ince list... egos and jealousy my friends...
My top 3 would have been Zidane, Allegri, and Jardim. Though both Zidane and Allegri are a bit conservative (as is Pocchetino).
Ole is making a very good case for himself though, and should definitely be considered. I hope that the club goes a bit slower this time, interviews the candidates about their vision for the future, and makes a calm, rational decision. For example, in any decision about Pochetino, why he hasn't win a trophy yet should be an important question. I don't buy the bullshit about very limited resources, he has a very good team which is on par or so with us and Chelsea, yet both seem able to win trophies even while changing managers, why he hasn't been. Sure, we spent much more money than him, but he also inherited players of the calibre of Kane, Erikson and Vertonghen (one for each department) which we didn't. The Spurs team is more than capable of winning the occasional trophy, which he hasn't been able to achieve so far.
Not many managers have started consistently winning trophies after 10+ years as managers if they didn't do it before. I cannot think of any, though probably someone exists. Would be interesting to see why people think that Poch is different in that aspect if they cannot find examples.
I find it fascinating how many fanboys Poch actually have on this site. Mark my words: He will start from scratch with his own stuff, throwing over board what Solskjaer has buildt upon. Damand transfer upon transfer, still not winning the premier league. And after two or three years, hw will run away to Spain after wasting money on failed signings and blaming the club. He was Maurinhos friend and shares his narcissism.
It's Kane that has made the difference and Poch is enjoying his free ride.
It's Kane that has made the difference and Poch is enjoying his free ride.
Give it to Ole and in a years time if things ain't great = I told you so he ain't experienced as a manager.
Give it to Poch and in a years time if things ain't great = I told you so he just hasn't won nothing and can only take he's team to a certain level.
There's no pleasing some I tell ya, how can we not give it to Ole after the start we've had should be the question, he needs to work on certain things but look what he done with our confidence and in a short time pumped it into everyone what UTD is all about which I thought I'd never see again.
Give it to Poch and in a years time if things ain't great = I told you so he just hasn't won nothing and can only take he's team to a certain level.
There's no pleasing some I tell ya, how can we not give it to Ole after the start we've had should be the question, he needs to work on certain things but look what he done with our confidence and in a short time pumped it into everyone what UTD is all about which I thought I'd never see again.
No.Great goalkeeping is not “lucky”. And if it wasn’t great goalkeeping then it was poor finishing by Spurs. Or some comvinstion of the two.
We weren’t “lucky” to beat Spurs.
We weren’t “lucky” to beat Spurs.
We were lucky they finished poorly and De Gea had his best game of the season
Kane played for Sherwood before Poch came in. Players from the academy he has given debuts include Walker-Peters, Skipp and Winks. What he has done though is to improve and get the best out of the players he has. You rarely see the weaknesses of players exposed, and you often see players improve under him.
No, we were the better side on the day.
Just as you might say we were lucky Spurs’ finishing was poor, someone else might argue Spurs were lucky that our finishing wasn’t better.
“Luck” is only relevant when it comes to bad refereeing decisions, injuries to key players and beach balls.
But on everything else, it comes down to performances. De Gea making great saves, for example, is hardly “lucky”.
One can perhaps argue that on paper Spurs should have beaten us. But football is played on the pitch, not on paper.
We had good finishing, Rashford took our chance
Wayne is a football player and only a football player. If he had experience managing a club, running a business, had an impressive education or had a reputation of giving sound advice, then we might want to consider his opinion. He doesn't, so nobody should really care what Rooney thinks or says about managing United.
Still not heard a convincing argument of what everyone thinks he can do better at United. Having money to spend is usually the reasoning, but he has one of the best strikers in the world, a fantastic midfielder in Eriksen, a CB who we've been after and still probably would be if it wasn't for age, and some fullbacks that actually contribute, not to mention Son and Alli who aren't exactly slouches, especially the former. Our star striker is terrible (hopefully Rashford continues in his excellent form but who knows?), Pogba is better than Eriksen but not by much, we have 1/4 of a wing in Martial, and our defence is dire.
Not that I don't want him and not to say he won't be great. I'm just not as convinced as some of what's so good about him and why people think he could work wonders with us. Unless we think he'll be given enough money to solve every single issue as soon as possible.
Not that I don't want him and not to say he won't be great. I'm just not as convinced as some of what's so good about him and why people think he could work wonders with us. Unless we think he'll be given enough money to solve every single issue as soon as possible.